OpenXR Guide - Deprecated - This time for real (▀̿Ĺ̯▀̿ ̿)

[mbucchia]

8 minutes ago, Twwhitey said:

Interesting - did this "on-demand" capability of OXR/WMR motion reprojection change at some point?  I seem to recall months and months back (I took an extended break from DCS a while back) that I couldn't get MR in WMR to do this - it was always on (even in bland scenarios where I could easily maintain 90FPS).  Just curious but either way I see that it does indeed do this now so that's awesome thanks for the explanation!

It's always been like that. As edmuss mentioned, you need to have sufficient headroom at 60/90 for it to stay off. If too close to dropping frames, it will enable itself.

[Baldrick33]

Thanks @mbucchia I assumed always on worked like SteamVR all this time!

[dburne]

14 minutes ago, Baldrick33 said:

Thanks @mbucchia I assumed always on worked like SteamVR all this time!

I would have as well.

 

[TAW_Impalor]

I had OpenXR setup as per guide on page 1, and all was working well. Then I installed Steam for another game. Now my DCS always launches in SteamVR and I cannot find where to switch it back to OpenXR. Reinstalling OpenXR Tools did nothing. It shows as active, latest preview On, and the Demo scene works. Sorry if this question was answered, too many pages.

[Baldrick33]

3 minutes ago, TAW_Impalor said:

I had OpenXR setup as per guide on page 1, and all was working well. Then I installed Steam for another game. Now my DCS always launches in SteamVR and I cannot find where to switch it back to OpenXR. Reinstalling OpenXR Tools did nothing. It shows as active, latest preview On, and the Demo scene works. Sorry if this question was answered, too many pages.

SteamVR may have become your default OpenXR runtime. When you start the WMR Portal is there a prompt at the top to reset the default runtime?

[TAW_Impalor]

1 hour ago, Baldrick33 said:

SteamVR may have become your default OpenXR runtime. When you start the WMR Portal is there a prompt at the top to reset the default runtime?

Nope ((

Also, SteamVR shows WMR as OpenXR runtime

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Edited December 28, 2022 by TAW_Impalor

[edmuss]

21 minutes ago, TAW_Impalor said:

I had OpenXR setup as per guide on page 1, and all was working well. Then I installed Steam for another game. Now my DCS always launches in SteamVR and I cannot find where to switch it back to OpenXR. Reinstalling OpenXR Tools did nothing. It shows as active, latest preview On, and the Demo scene works. Sorry if this question was answered, too many pages.

Sounds like open composite needs switching back to openxr for DCS. Find where you saved the open composite files and reset the global switcher. Chances are if you've not opened the switcher app in a while it's probably got a whole bunch of updates to do.

[TAW_Impalor]

1 hour ago, edmuss said:

Sounds like open composite needs switching back to openxr for DCS. Find where you saved the open composite files and reset the global switcher. Chances are if you've not opened the switcher app in a while it's probably got a whole bunch of updates to do.

that was it! thanks!

[Glide]

I have been testing PG lately, and with Heat's goal of smooth ground motion, I went spelunking.  Motion Reprojection is most definitely the way to go.  I have been getting excellent results with these settings: WMR set to Best Visual Quality, 90hz, Openxr MR Always On, DCS MSAA x4, SSAA x2, and tune everything else for 30 or 45 fps.  No OpenXRTK features besides FPS counter enabled for this test.  My G2 is loving this setup.  I get a very, very solid 30 or 45 fps with my 3080Ti.

BTW, try this in VR: if you get shot down by a Mig-29, press F2 to find an active Mig, F4 to ride along, spin the camera until you are riding right on top of the Mig.  Best ride in town!

 

 

[freehand]

mm interesting setting, for me I like visible range as high as possible so when I am circling an airbase I can see it when I am lost lol.

Edited December 29, 2022 by freehand

[Glide]

1 hour ago, freehand said:

mm interesting setting, for me I like visible range as high as possible so when I am circling an airbase I can see it when I am lost lol.

 

Yeah, the short View Distance is something to get used to.  It takes a big load off the sim.  Tweak this to your system; if you can go higher, do it.  Throw Foveated Rendering in from the OpenXRTK if your headset supports it.  Just flew the Lebanon Mach Loop at 50 ft with this setup.  Smooooth.

Edited December 29, 2022 by Glide

[Glide]

I was wondering how to get my High Visib Range back, and I stumbled on to these settings; basically move Anisotropic Filtering and Antialiasing to the Nvidia Control Panel.  Seems to me the quality improves considerably with the same sharpness.

 

Edited January 2, 2023 by Glide

[tomeye]

I think the nvidia cp settings for antialising have no effect. Do you see it working with your above settings?

[speed-of-heat]

7 minutes ago, tomeye said:

I think the nvidia cp settings for antialising have no effect. Do you see it working with your above settings?

this

[Hive]

Let's give it a try. Many things change without notification...

[speed-of-heat]

this comes up every few months, for the last few years... someone discovers a "big FPS improvement because of this" failing to realise they are not getting the anti-aliasing effect ... it hasn't changed any of the previous times, i view it as unlikely that it has changed this time.

Edited January 2, 2023 by speed-of-heat

[zildac]

Let's give it a try. Many things change without notification...

As stated, this theory does the rounds every few months. These settimgs have zero impact on the VR experience. Any perceived improvement is placebo.

[slughead]

17 minutes ago, speed-of-heat said:

this comes up every few months, for the last few years... someone discovers a "big FPS improvement because of this" failing to realise they are not getting the anti-aliasing effect ... it hasn't changed any of the previous times, i view it as unlikely that it has changed this time.

 

It's not even been a month.

 

[Glide]

Thanks for the update.

[dutchili]

I tried Falcon BMS today and noticed that the 3D effect is much more pronounced, and less aliasing.

Could the 'distance between eyes' be the cause of the aliasing effect in DCS?
(btw:....DCS looks much better)

[speed-of-heat]

12 minutes ago, dutchili said:

I tried Falcon BMS today and noticed that the 3D effect is much more pronounced, and less aliasing.

Could the 'distance between eyes' be the cause of the aliasing effect in DCS?
(btw:....DCS looks much better)

This is a separate question... and has nothing to do with this thread

[Glide]

On 1/2/2023 at 2:54 AM, Hive said:

Let's give it a try. Many things change without notification...

The fact that it works at all is intriguing.  BTW, I never said "more fps", I said improvement.  I find the colors better with AA and AF set in the NCP.  Try it, see if you like it.

 

EDIT: I see my testing may have been flawed that time.  Perhaps I was just turning off AA and AF.  Anyway, further testing shows that the least amount of AA possible is the best for sharpness in VR for the G2.  I have it set to MSAA x2.  And, the only setting that matters to me in the Nvidia control panel is Antialiasing Gama Correction OFF to get rid of that shiny halo around things.  Again, motion reprojection always on, and nothing from OpenXRTK required for this test.  That's as smooth as I can get it.

Edited January 4, 2023 by Glide

[speed-of-heat]

I prefer my AA and AF to actually work...

[oldcrusty]

On 1/2/2023 at 9:55 AM, Glide said:

The fact that it works at all is intriguing.  BTW, I never said "more fps", I said improvement.  I find the colors better with AA and AF set in the NCP.  Try it, see if you like it.

 

EDIT: I see my testing may have been flawed that time.  Perhaps I was just turning off AA and AF.  Anyway, further testing shows that the least amount of AA possible is the best for sharpness in VR for the G2.  I have it set to MSAA x2.  And, the only setting that matters to me in the Nvidia control panel is Antialiasing Gama Correction OFF to get rid of that shiny halo around things.  Again, motion reprojection always on, and nothing from OpenXRTK required for this test.  That's as smooth as I can get it.

 

First, I don't know what's wrong with me... I'm still on Steam VR.

For me, DCS (maxed out for single player) in G2 had only 2 acceptable options:  1. Aniso x16 (in DCS setup), no AA, 200% res. (4472x4364) in SVR.  Mid to low FPS but smooth and... shimmers.  I know, in MP I'd probably have to stay on the ramp and watch the slide show as a spectator.  #2. Aniso x16 in DCS, 100% res. in SVR, AA x 8 in NCP. No super sampling. Looks sharp but shimmering is still there.

Yes, AA set in Nvidia panel always worked for me though I'm not sure how it combines with other types of enhancements. Aniso set in NCP never seemed to have any effect on DCS on my rig. I never had a chance to check how SGSS would work in DCS. I'd have to download NV Inspector to find out, I guess.

As far as MSAA... I love it on a pancake screen but I hate it in G2. It makes everything look too 'soft' or even blurry, in spite of MSAA mask set to 1, in DCS setup.

Currently, I'm on a new rig but the above setup still holds true... everything runs a lot faster though   .  Still, I'm looking forward to a new graphics engine. Hurry up ED! 

 

Edited January 6, 2023 by oldcrusty

[X_legio]

Il 28/12/2022 at 21:33, TAW_Impalor ha scritto:

Nope ((

Also, SteamVR shows WMR as OpenXR runtime

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It's happened also to me. Inside openxr composite set openxr as default.