Hammer1-1 Posted March 20, 2022 Posted March 20, 2022 (edited) 7 hours ago, TED said: I think people should be a bit reserved in blindly stating "the apache I'd unplayable the vr". It may be for some depending on hardware and settings but for many of us it is perfectly fine. There are so many variables in getting everything to run smoothly, from Windows, wmr, svr, other apps and background processes running. I'd always start with some good pc hygiene and check the system thoroughly outside of dcs. I've been getting excellent performance with g2, 6900xt and 3800xt. Running native resolution in sp and mp. Mp is noticeably lower fps and higher frame times but quite acceptable. Sp is totally smooth even with ihadds, flir, pnvs and anything else running. I even saw improvements in performance with the latest patch. I love TED talks Anyways, the consensus is that the majority of apache players are having issues outright with max textures and nothing else. Everything points at an OOM scenario; for those of you that have different results, is how much memory do you have offloading during your flight. Willing to bet you might have something that may or may not be clearing your ram cache on the fly preventing an OOM. An OOM is basically a hard crash due to the memory being congested and unable to move. For some it might simply be how their headset is hooked up to the back of your computer. For Reverbs G1 and G2, its either USB C or 3.0 on top of a DVI (i think thats what it is), and its been known that some motherboards have bandwidth issues and should resort to a powered PCI-E USB hub. So whats different here? Edited March 20, 2022 by Hammer1-1 Intel 13900k @ 5.8ghz | 64gb GSkill Trident Z | MSI z790 Meg ACE | Zotac RTX4090 | Asus 1000w psu | Slaw RX Viper 2 pedals | VPForce Rhino/VKB MCE Ultimate + STECS Mk2 MAX / Virpil MongoosT50+ MongoosT50CM | Virpil TCS+/ AH64D grip/custom AH64D TEDAC | Samsung Odyssey G9 + Odyssey Ark | Next Level Racing Flight Seat Pro | WinWing F-18 MIPS | No more VR for this pilot. My wallpaper and skins On today's episode of "Did You Know", Cessna Skyhawk crashes into cemetery; over 800 found dead as workers keep digging.
redbeard Posted March 20, 2022 Posted March 20, 2022 (edited) My fps in steamvr is unplayable until I press alt+enter to make the mirrored view full screen. No idea why or how this works but it's the only way it's playable. I'm on a 9700k, gtx 2080, 32gb ddr4 and an ssd. Edited March 20, 2022 by redbeard
ruprecht Posted March 20, 2022 Posted March 20, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, TED said: I think people should be a bit reserved in blindly stating "the apache I'd unplayable the vr". It may be for some depending on hardware and settings but for many of us it is perfectly fine. There are so many variables in getting everything to run smoothly, from Windows, wmr, svr, other apps and background processes running. I'd always start with some good pc hygiene and check the system thoroughly outside of dcs. These are people who have noticed an extreme difference in playability between the apache and other modules. They're not moaning because they have weak or badly tuned rigs. They went from X framerate in other aircraft to 0.1 - 0.25X framerate in the apache. It's a problem specifically with the apache, for some people. Take my case. I've had playable frames for years with textures high. I jump in the apache and it's a slideshow. Back to the hornet, it's fine. I change textures to medium, the apache is fine. It's a total cop-out to say "tune your rigs" to people. It's a demonstrable, reproducible issue with high textures in the apache - and *only* in the apache - on some systems. Let's say it's a GPU memory usage issue. You have a 16GB card and see no issues. Other people have a 12GB or 8GB card and see issues. Or maybe it's an issue specifically with NVidia cards. "Tune your rigs" is a pointless approach to problems like this, unless your proposed solution is everyone should upgrade to 16GB AMD cards to make up for the apache's lack of optimisation. Edited March 20, 2022 by ruprecht 2 1 DCS Wishlist: | Navy F-14 | Navy F/A-18 | AH-6 | Navy A-6 | Official Navy A-4 | Carrier Ops | Dynamic Campaign | Marine AH-1 | Streaming DCS sometimes:
YoYo Posted March 20, 2022 Posted March 20, 2022 Personally, I have a pretty good FPS in AH-64, basically 45 Frames fixed, so the re-projection works ok. Over Aleppo (Syria) where I have a test mission they drop a bit but this is a special test. But what I noticed is that Reverb has a problem with frame hold as soon as the new FLIR will be on the gunner's screen. Then the stutter starts to take place. I think there is a problem here and the new FLIR should be optimized for VR as well. 1 Webmaster of http://www.yoyosims.pl Win 10 64, i9-13900 KF, RTX 5090 32Gb OC, RAM 64Gb Corsair Vengeance LED OC@3600MHz,, 3xSSD+3xSSD M.2 NVMe, Predator XB271HU res.2560x1440 27'' G-sync, Sound Blaster Z + 5.1, TiR5, [MSFS, P3Dv5, DCS, RoF, Condor2, IL-2 CoD/BoX] VR fly only: Meta Quest Pro
rcjonessnp175 Posted March 20, 2022 Posted March 20, 2022 18 minutes ago, ruprecht said: These are people who have noticed an extreme difference in playability between the apache and other modules. They're not moaning because they have weak or badly tuned rigs. They went from X framerate in other aircraft to 0.1 - 0.25X framerate in the apache. It's a problem specifically with the apache, for some people. Take my case. I've had playable frames for years with textures high. I jump in the apache and it's a slideshow. Back to the hornet, it's fine. I change textures to medium, the apache is fine. It's a total cop-out to say "tune your rigs" to people. It's a demonstrable, reproducible issue with high textures in the apache - and *only* in the apache - on some systems. Let's say it's a GPU memory usage issue. You have a 16GB card and see no issues. Other people have a 12GB or 8GB card and see issues. Or maybe it's an issue specifically with NVidia cards. "Tune your rigs" is a pointless approach to problems like this, unless your proposed solution is everyone should upgrade to 16GB AMD cards to make up for the apache's lack of optimisation. This exactly, all other modules run great and great for me is locked ASW at 36fps, with Apache it stutters and rarely maintains that 36 ASW lock. Same thing happened when the Hind was released, Apache is early access and needs a couple optimization passes. I will try dropping the textures down to medium for Apache, thanks. I7 4770k @ 4.6, sli 980 evga oc edition, ssdx2, Sony 55 inch edid hack nvidia 3dvision. Volair sim pit, DK2 Oculus Rift.
Dangerzone Posted March 21, 2022 Posted March 21, 2022 3 hours ago, YoYo said: Personally, I have a pretty good FPS in AH-64, basically 45 Frames fixed, so the re-projection works ok. Over Aleppo (Syria) where I have a test mission they drop a bit but this is a special test. But what I noticed is that Reverb has a problem with frame hold as soon as the new FLIR will be on the gunner's screen. Then the stutter starts to take place. I think there is a problem here and the new FLIR should be optimized for VR as well. Same here, and I'm only running a 2080 super with a HP Reverb. I don't run shadows (never have), and have textures set to medium instead of high to give me plenty of headroom though.
camaro_five0 Posted March 21, 2022 Posted March 21, 2022 The Apache in VR runs great for me, EXCEPT for on the Syria map. If I run it on Caucuses or Persian Gulf, for example, it runs smooth just like my other aircraft modules. But, when I load anywhere into Syria, it stutters so bad it's unplayable. I will try lowering my textures to medium, as suggested above, until a patch is released. Thanks, fellas. i10700, 3080, 32gb, Reverb G2. DCS running on a 2TB SSD. 1
SmeagleGoneWild Posted March 21, 2022 Posted March 21, 2022 20 minutes ago, camaro_five0 said: The Apache in VR runs great for me, EXCEPT for on the Syria map. If I run it on Caucuses or Persian Gulf, for example, it runs smooth just like my other aircraft modules. But, when I load anywhere into Syria, it stutters so bad it's unplayable. I will try lowering my textures to medium, as suggested above, until a patch is released. Thanks, fellas. i10700, 3080, 32gb, Reverb G2. DCS running on a 2TB SSD. To be honest, id have to see them side by side to really tell a difference. Even in medium its extremely detailed and very crisp and clear. I checked the 16 and 14 as well, samething. In high it makes me wonder now lol. I got good performance with changing the texture though. I only have issues after target being destroyed on attack runs, it seems like the smoke/fire is causing something (This is MP on hoggit training). SP kind of a different story and not enough test data to give an answer. Ryzen 7 5800x w/ PBO on, RTX 3070ti w/ OC, 32 GB RAM @3000 | Quest 2, Virpil Joystick, Throttle, and Rudder
rss0900 Posted March 21, 2022 Posted March 21, 2022 63 dollars spent I can't even fly the Apache, I get 11 FPS. Play the Charnwood campaign and constant 45, on a 3080 with reverb g2. Not happy
Hammer1-1 Posted March 21, 2022 Posted March 21, 2022 Just now, rss0900 said: 63 dollars spent I can't even fly the Apache, I get 11 FPS. Play the Charnwood campaign and constant 45, on a 3080 with reverb g2. Not happy Have you tried to lower your graphics? Almost all of us had found the solution, so not sure what your problem is... 1 Intel 13900k @ 5.8ghz | 64gb GSkill Trident Z | MSI z790 Meg ACE | Zotac RTX4090 | Asus 1000w psu | Slaw RX Viper 2 pedals | VPForce Rhino/VKB MCE Ultimate + STECS Mk2 MAX / Virpil MongoosT50+ MongoosT50CM | Virpil TCS+/ AH64D grip/custom AH64D TEDAC | Samsung Odyssey G9 + Odyssey Ark | Next Level Racing Flight Seat Pro | WinWing F-18 MIPS | No more VR for this pilot. My wallpaper and skins On today's episode of "Did You Know", Cessna Skyhawk crashes into cemetery; over 800 found dead as workers keep digging.
rss0900 Posted March 21, 2022 Posted March 21, 2022 30 minutes ago, Hammer1-1 said: Have you tried to lower your graphics? Almost all of us had found the solution, so not sure what your problem is... I lowered textures to medium but made little difference, lowered PD from 1.7 to 1.5, again little difference. I maxed 13 frames but mostly stutter, close it and start charnwood and I get 45. I don't know what the problem is either,
SmeagleGoneWild Posted March 21, 2022 Posted March 21, 2022 1 minute ago, rss0900 said: I lowered textures to medium but made little difference, lowered PD from 1.7 to 1.5, again little difference. I maxed 13 frames but mostly stutter, close it and start charnwood and I get 45. I don't know what the problem is either, I'm willing to bank its some settings that need adjusting. For you to have a g2 and a 3080, i am willing to bet that you will have successful FPS to fly around in, buttery smooth too. It doesnt make sense I get that because in another aircraft you can achieve higher frames, but there is just probably some weird setting or workaround you might have to do. Just couldnt tell you what exactly that is. There are folks in this thread with "lesser" card than yours and are getting it, so you have to be able to. Ryzen 7 5800x w/ PBO on, RTX 3070ti w/ OC, 32 GB RAM @3000 | Quest 2, Virpil Joystick, Throttle, and Rudder
rss0900 Posted March 21, 2022 Posted March 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, SmeagleGoneWild said: I'm willing to bank its some settings that need adjusting. For you to have a g2 and a 3080, i am willing to bet that you will have successful FPS to fly around in, buttery smooth too. It doesnt make sense I get that because in another aircraft you can achieve higher frames, but there is just probably some weird setting or workaround you might have to do. Just couldnt tell you what exactly that is. There are folks in this thread with "lesser" card than yours and are getting it, so you have to be able to. Yep I agree, I'm a VR newb, I setup DCS months ago to run great in VR. I just changed all the settings in DCS to very low distance, low textures, pixel density to 1.1 made no difference in my frames.... Might be some setting in steam vr. Regardless of what I changed in DCS it made little to no impact on my fps in the apache.
Hammer1-1 Posted March 21, 2022 Posted March 21, 2022 (edited) A lot of us gamers have LED lighting inside our case. The biggest FPS killing in DCS is stuff like Asus Aura, Corsair Icue, stuff like that...try going through your taskmanager and kill stuff that ordinarily would be on for decoration. Believe it or not, but I get an additional 15fps just turning that stuff off before I even get into DCS and its a game changer for the most part. With it on I get wicked stuttering. I have this massively overclocked system; I still tweak windows for a few days getting things straight before diving into DCS. 45fps in VR doesnt mean you get more than 100fps outside of vr, and half the time its bloaty crappy stuff like LEDs that tank performance. Give it a shot. I know some ppl that fly the Apache using a G1 and a 1080ti, and some of us use Kegetys vr shader mod to help mitigate fps loss. Edited March 21, 2022 by Hammer1-1 Intel 13900k @ 5.8ghz | 64gb GSkill Trident Z | MSI z790 Meg ACE | Zotac RTX4090 | Asus 1000w psu | Slaw RX Viper 2 pedals | VPForce Rhino/VKB MCE Ultimate + STECS Mk2 MAX / Virpil MongoosT50+ MongoosT50CM | Virpil TCS+/ AH64D grip/custom AH64D TEDAC | Samsung Odyssey G9 + Odyssey Ark | Next Level Racing Flight Seat Pro | WinWing F-18 MIPS | No more VR for this pilot. My wallpaper and skins On today's episode of "Did You Know", Cessna Skyhawk crashes into cemetery; over 800 found dead as workers keep digging.
rcjonessnp175 Posted March 21, 2022 Posted March 21, 2022 Ha setting textures to medium helped definitely enjoyable now, thanks for the tip. I7 4770k @ 4.6, sli 980 evga oc edition, ssdx2, Sony 55 inch edid hack nvidia 3dvision. Volair sim pit, DK2 Oculus Rift.
rss0900 Posted March 21, 2022 Posted March 21, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Hammer1-1 said: A lot of us gamers have LED lighting inside our case. The biggest FPS killing in DCS is stuff like Asus Aura, Corsair Icue, stuff like that...try going through your taskmanager and kill stuff that ordinarily would be on for decoration. Believe it or not, but I get an additional 15fps just turning that stuff off before I even get into DCS and its a game changer for the most part. With it on I get wicked stuttering. I have this massively overclocked system; I still tweak windows for a few days getting things straight before diving into DCS. 45fps in VR doesnt mean you get more than 100fps outside of vr, and half the time its bloaty crappy stuff like LEDs that tank performance. Give it a shot. I know some ppl that fly the Apache using a G1 and a 1080ti, and some of us use Kegetys vr shader mod to help mitigate fps loss. I found my issue it was in the steam VR settings. Had per eye resolution set to 50% around 2160x2160, but under DCS I had a multiplier set to 60%, dropped this to 40% and then had to lower the textures from high to medium like everyone else. Now get 41-45 FPS. I also noticed pixel destiny now plays where before when I changed it, had no effect, so whatever I changed in steam vr fixed me. Right now I've got pixel density set to 1.7 . Edited March 21, 2022 by rss0900
Turd Ferguson Posted March 21, 2022 Posted March 21, 2022 (edited) 7 hours ago, camaro_five0 said: The Apache in VR runs great for me, EXCEPT for on the Syria map. If I run it on Caucuses or Persian Gulf, for example, it runs smooth just like my other aircraft modules. But, when I load anywhere into Syria, it stutters so bad it's unplayable. I will try lowering my textures to medium, as suggested above, until a patch is released. Thanks, fellas. i10700, 3080, 32gb, Reverb G2. DCS running on a 2TB SSD. Virtually the same rig as yours apart from the GPU is a 3080ti, also in the G2. Getting the same result as you too. Syria is currently a no go area for me. All other maps run fine. Going to try to reduce textures when I get home and see if I can actually fly in Syria. Can't see it's relevent but the more info the better. what model of 3080 do you have mine's an MSI Gaming X Trio. 6 hours ago, rss0900 said: I lowered textures to medium but made little difference, lowered PD from 1.7 to 1.5, again little difference. I maxed 13 frames but mostly stutter, close it and start charnwood and I get 45. I don't know what the problem is either, I read someone had preload radius set at max, reducing that solved their issue. I have it set on the minimum, PD is 1 and it is great on any map other than Syria. Worth double checking that setting. Edit: Just seen your response above. Glad you figured it out. I'll leave the reply here though, it may be useful to someone. Edited March 21, 2022 by Turd Ferguson Oh hell, let's go nuts. Swords for forty eight thousand
Foxmike Posted March 21, 2022 Posted March 21, 2022 Thanks for the texture advice! I struggle with my F14 and now the AH64 in SOME places. If I run the Apache in my Tonopah test area everything is fine. If I enter the cockpit in Kobuleti my RAM go´s crazy and I have to alt tab every minute or restart DCS. F14 the same. Ready to taxi on the Supercarrier impossible, when I start looking around. F18 on the same deck no prob. All that started when using my Reverb wth PD 1.0 and Steam VR SS 3100x3100, MSAA 2x, which delivers the best picture on my Reverb. 2080ti VRAM is maxed out. Now turning textures from high to medium F14 and AH64 work great EVERYWHERE and even with NVS on my HMS. And it´s hard to find any difference from high to medium in the pit. I was searching around and found only one part in every single cockpit: Turn your AH64 pilot head back right, there is a small plaque mounted at the seat. The letters are readable in high only, medium they go swimming. Turn F14 pilots head back left, you can read the ejection seat checklist only with high textures. In the F18 there is an external electrical power plaque on the left sidewall. With medium textures unreadable. So if there are only these few parts bad on medium with an 3100x3100 Reverb picture, it makes no sense to run my Reverb with high textures. Or do I miss something? Externals textures I see no difference, too. Maybe high texture was made for 4k or 8k flat screens only?
Turd Ferguson Posted March 21, 2022 Posted March 21, 2022 (edited) Reduced my textures to medium and now really smooth in Syria. Haven't noticed any huge difference in picture quality either. Monacle is on right eye only too. Thanks for the tips everyone 10700k, 3080ti, 32gb, reverb G2 Edited March 21, 2022 by Turd Ferguson Oh hell, let's go nuts. Swords for forty eight thousand
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted March 21, 2022 ED Team Posted March 21, 2022 9 hours ago, rss0900 said: I lowered textures to medium but made little difference, lowered PD from 1.7 to 1.5, again little difference. I maxed 13 frames but mostly stutter, close it and start charnwood and I get 45. I don't know what the problem is either, can you post your system spec and which headset? high PD values combined with high headset values can create huge bottlenecks. I use a reverb G2 PD 1.0 steamVR 60% and get 45 - 90 FPS depending on altitude 7 hours ago, rss0900 said: I found my issue it was in the steam VR settings. Had per eye resolution set to 50% around 2160x2160, but under DCS I had a multiplier set to 60%, dropped this to 40% and then had to lower the textures from high to medium like everyone else. Now get 41-45 FPS. I also noticed pixel destiny now plays where before when I changed it, had no effect, so whatever I changed in steam vr fixed me. Right now I've got pixel density set to 1.7 . edit should have read the whole thread before replying, good to see you found the solution Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, PIMAX Crystal
Steel Jaw Posted March 21, 2022 Posted March 21, 2022 22 hours ago, Draken35 said: I think I finally nailed the config: 1) DCS: textures to medium 2) Oculus, refresh rate to 80Mhz 3) Oculus bump resolution to 4864x 2448 The rest of my DCS config was not changed. This gives me sharp cockpits with locked 40fps for the Apache and the other modules (I see lots of spikes of 80fps in the other modules) Perhaps, the folks that are reporting that they are good, should mention their refresh rates for the devices. It was the critical element for me. Thanks, are you using the OC tray tool? "You see, IronHand is my thing" My specs: W10 Pro, I5/11600K o/c to 4800 @1.32v, 64 GB 3200 XML RAM, Red Dragon 7800XT/16GB, monitor: GIGABYTE M32QC 32" (31.5" Viewable) QHD 2560 x 1440 (2K) 165Hz.
Draken35 Posted March 21, 2022 Posted March 21, 2022 40 minutes ago, Steel Jaw said: Thanks, are you using the OC tray tool? Yes I am... Mostly to keep the Oculus Home in the tray.
Hammer1-1 Posted March 21, 2022 Posted March 21, 2022 11 hours ago, rss0900 said: I found my issue it was in the steam VR settings. Had per eye resolution set to 50% around 2160x2160, but under DCS I had a multiplier set to 60%, dropped this to 40% and then had to lower the textures from high to medium like everyone else. Now get 41-45 FPS. I also noticed pixel destiny now plays where before when I changed it, had no effect, so whatever I changed in steam vr fixed me. Right now I've got pixel density set to 1.7 . 11 hours ago, rss0900 said: I found my issue it was in the steam VR settings. Had per eye resolution set to 50% around 2160x2160, but under DCS I had a multiplier set to 60%, dropped this to 40% and then had to lower the textures from high to medium like everyone else. Now get 41-45 FPS. I also noticed pixel destiny now plays where before when I changed it, had no effect, so whatever I changed in steam vr fixed me. Right now I've got pixel density set to 1.7 . 1.7?? I have mine set at .9 and I have steamvr set at 80%. Yeah I can see why you have poor performance now...but if it works for you now, then great! Intel 13900k @ 5.8ghz | 64gb GSkill Trident Z | MSI z790 Meg ACE | Zotac RTX4090 | Asus 1000w psu | Slaw RX Viper 2 pedals | VPForce Rhino/VKB MCE Ultimate + STECS Mk2 MAX / Virpil MongoosT50+ MongoosT50CM | Virpil TCS+/ AH64D grip/custom AH64D TEDAC | Samsung Odyssey G9 + Odyssey Ark | Next Level Racing Flight Seat Pro | WinWing F-18 MIPS | No more VR for this pilot. My wallpaper and skins On today's episode of "Did You Know", Cessna Skyhawk crashes into cemetery; over 800 found dead as workers keep digging.
Jarhead0331 Posted March 21, 2022 Author Posted March 21, 2022 24 minutes ago, Hammer1-1 said: 1.7?? I have mine set at .9 and I have steamvr set at 80%. Yeah I can see why you have poor performance now...but if it works for you now, then great! That one has me scratching my head too... 1
YoYo Posted March 21, 2022 Posted March 21, 2022 (edited) What about the FLIR for you? For me here is a problem (new kind of FLIR on the screen), if it works as day or night = stutter. Medium/Hight textures = no any changes for me. But FLIR on/off has a big impact. Edited March 21, 2022 by YoYo Webmaster of http://www.yoyosims.pl Win 10 64, i9-13900 KF, RTX 5090 32Gb OC, RAM 64Gb Corsair Vengeance LED OC@3600MHz,, 3xSSD+3xSSD M.2 NVMe, Predator XB271HU res.2560x1440 27'' G-sync, Sound Blaster Z + 5.1, TiR5, [MSFS, P3Dv5, DCS, RoF, Condor2, IL-2 CoD/BoX] VR fly only: Meta Quest Pro
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