missing track file George Not Firing

[dresoccer4]

George has a target lined up and lased, I told him to fire the missile, and he goes "ENGAGING!".... and then nothing happens. 

Anyone able to see why George is lying to me from the screenshot?  

Edited March 28, 2022 by dresoccer4

[Funkysak]

Weapon Utility page, make sure the Laser is armed. That said; I've had this issue as well after changing a load out on instant action. I'm not sure if it is a bug or an error on my part.

Edited March 28, 2022 by Funkysak

[key_stroked]

4 minutes ago, Funkysak said:

Weapon Utility page, make sure the Laser is armed. That said; I've had this issue as well after changing a load out on instant action. I'm not sure if it is a bug or an error on my part.

 

Laser arming is only done from the CPG seat. The pilot won't have that in their WPN UTIL page. If you're flying with George, he will do that automatically, and you can see that it's on in the screenshot because the "X" is over the crosshair, indicating active lasing.

[Airwolf466]

I've noticed a couple of things causing this....

1) Weapon trigger guard not open

2) trigger not mapped properly. Try spacebar and see if it fires

3) For the Hellfire , is the box that appears  in IHADSS when the missile is set to launch solid or dashed. If dashed, you're not in constraints

[key_stroked]

3 minutes ago, Airwolf466 said:

I've noticed a couple of things causing this....

1) Weapon trigger guard not open

2) trigger not mapped properly. Try spacebar and see if it fires

 

These aren't George A.I. issues, which is what the OP is talking about.

[key_stroked]

@dresoccer4

I suspect it has something to do with auto-consent. Your George AI wheel text is green instead of yellow, which means you held the "UP" key of whatever you mapped the George navigation controls to which switches from manual consent for firing to full auto.

I've seen that George will get "stuck" in a zoomed position using TADS, and sometimes he can't see targets in that state. A workaround is to disengage using the George A.I. "DOWN" key to clear targeting and lasing, and start a fresh search using "UP".

I would also avoid auto-consent for now (green text) and keep it on manual (yellow text) and tell him to fire for every target with the consent keybind.

[dresoccer4]

1 hour ago, key_stroked said:

@dresoccer4

I suspect it has something to do with auto-consent. Your George AI wheel text is green instead of yellow, which means you held the "UP" key of whatever you mapped the George navigation controls to which switches from manual consent for firing to full auto.

I've seen that George will get "stuck" in a zoomed position using TADS, and sometimes he can't see targets in that state. A workaround is to disengage using the George A.I. "DOWN" key to clear targeting and lasing, and start a fresh search using "UP".

I would also avoid auto-consent for now (green text) and keep it on manual (yellow text) and tell him to fire for every target with the consent keybind.

so yeah I did manual consent first, and that's when George said "engaging" like he's saying in the screenshot. but that didn't work, so I changed to auto-consent to see if that worked, but it didn't. i just took the screenshot after trying to auto consent, but you can see him saying "engaging" in the upper-right of the screen after i gave manual consent. kind of back to back.

very odd. looks like some kinks to work out, especially if they have him say "engaging" but there's something out of constraints 

[jayst0r]

I dont know i Dont see the little Box for Hellfire constraints. Not in your HMD nor in the TADS Vid feed. I suspect you are out of missles?

[LooseSeal]

3 hours ago, jayst0r said:

I dont know i Dont see the little Box for Hellfire constraints. Not in your HMD nor in the TADS Vid feed. I suspect you are out of missles?

I think this is because the OP hasn't WAS'd Hellfires on his side, so he doesn't see the constraints box. Not sure if that should cause the CPG not to engage though.

[dresoccer4]

8 hours ago, jayst0r said:

I dont know i Dont see the little Box for Hellfire constraints. Not in your HMD nor in the TADS Vid feed. I suspect you are out of missles?

full set, beginning of mission

4 hours ago, LooseSeal said:

I think this is because the OP hasn't WAS'd Hellfires on his side, so he doesn't see the constraints box. Not sure if that should cause the CPG not to engage though.

yeah not sure if I can do that as PIC? but the box should be there at some point i think

[BIGNEWY]

It is best to attach a short track replay so we can take alook

with that said, are you in range, do you have good line of sight, and have you used the consent to fire to tell George to engage?

thanks

[Oradan1974]

21 minutes ago, BIGNEWY said:

It is best to attach a short track replay so we can take alook

with that said, are you in range, do you have good line of sight, and have you used the consent to fire to tell George to engage?

thanks

I have also had this happen many times, where I had to give George more fire orders before he fired, even though he had a green ROE.

here also in a video of me to see from min 2,06.

He targets an Inafantery unit and does not shoot although he says Engaging and is also ready to fire... only after I manually repeated(min 2,26) the fire command he fired.

he fires the other shots independently

 

https://youtu.be/Sr-0pq4sG4s?t=125

Edited March 29, 2022 by Oradan1974

[LooseSeal]

43 minutes ago, dresoccer4 said:

yeah not sure if I can do that as PIC? but the box should be there at some point i think

What I meant was, in the screenshot, your HMD indicates that you don't have missiles selected. In the bottom right it says which weapon you have selected. That would be why the constraints box isn't showing there.

But anyway, it shouldn't really stop George firing as he has them selected. I think it's because he's extremely sensitive to LOS issues at the moment. I just flew the Kodori Gambit mission and he wouldn't fire at an APC because its rear half was behind a barrier - I moved, then he fired.

[BIGNEWY]

19 minutes ago, Oradan1974 said:

I have also had this happen many times, where I had to give George more fire orders before he fired, even though he had a green ROE.

here also in a video of me to see from min 2,06.

He targets an Inafantery unit and does not shoot although he says Engaging and is also ready to fire... only after I manually repeated(min 2,26) the fire command he fired.

he fires the other shots independently

 

https://youtu.be/Sr-0pq4sG4s?t=125

 

thanks for the video, its important to give george a stable platform for engaging, I think on this occasion he was just waiting for a stable shot. 

[Eagle7907]

I agree. This is the exact reason why I like the consent to fire. When I’m ready, I tell George, especially when I’m attempting to fire from a hover or like in the video at a slow speed. Stability really helps in the success of a kill. Even with the gun I’ve noticed this. Reduce the oscillations and drifts and watch George really shine.

Edit: of course this will be a bit less of an issue when the auto flight modes become functional, but still learning to get really stable helps so much.

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[dresoccer4]

i'll try and get a video of mine, but as you can see in the screenshot I'm at almost a perfect hover, so the platform was very stable. 

if I had to guess it may be a LoS issue. As you can see the target is indeed locked and lased, but at a steep angle and with obstacles around it. after this screenshot was taken I tried to pop-up to get a better angle but was shot down, thus re-emphasizing the need to stay very low with high attack angles. 

[Mr_Blastman]

16 hours ago, Airwolf466 said:

I've noticed a couple of things causing this....

1) Weapon trigger guard not open

2) trigger not mapped properly. Try spacebar and see if it fires

3) For the Hellfire , is the box that appears  in IHADSS when the missile is set to launch solid or dashed. If dashed, you're not in constraints

The big box often does not appear for me when I have this issue and I am in pilot's seat.  It is as if George isn't doing something right with his controls.  I'll be within range, master arm on, trigger guard off--everything is correct, and he still won't fire, even when I am in stable, level flight, despite giving him consent over and over.  Sometimes even cycling master arm on and off won't even fix this.

Edited March 29, 2022 by Mr_Blastman

[Kifter1983]

In LOBL George takes a minute to get setup, lase the target and only then will he fire when you grant consent. Easiest way to check if this has happened is to wait for the solid box on the IHADSS. Usually takes George about 10 - 15secs so be patient.

You can get him to fire faster by switching him into LOAL mode. This will skip past his pre-setup and lase phase. I also think when in LOAL mode he'll still fire when outside of max range, 8000ft (need to double check that...). I tend to always switch George into LOAL for faster refire.

Another quick tip, when a target is destroyed just hit George up to quickly select the next target if there's a few grouped in the general area. You don't need to deslave (George down) then reslave (George up) to move to the next target. That's said, if you're looking to target a new group I will then George down, George up as he seems to get tunnel vision (struggles to see new groups) if you just keep hitting up.

 

 

[dresoccer4]

32 minutes ago, Kifter1983 said:

In LOBL George takes a minute to get setup, lase the target and only then will he fire when you grant consent. Easiest way to check if this has happened is to wait for the solid box on the IHADSS. Usually takes George about 10 - 15secs so be patient.

You can get him to fire faster by switching him into LOAL mode. This will skip past his pre-setup and lase phase. I also think when in LOAL mode he'll still fire when outside of max range, 8000ft (need to double check that...). I tend to always switch George into LOAL for faster refire.

Another quick tip, when a target is destroyed just hit George up to quickly select the next target if there's a few grouped in the general area. You don't need to deslave (George down) then reslave (George up) to move to the next target. That's said, if you're looking to target a new group I will then George down, George up as he seems to get tunnel vision (struggles to see new groups) if you just keep hitting up.

 

 

ill try some of these tips.

as for selecting the next target in a group, I do George down long to get the group list back up without having to de-slave.  

[Captain Orso]

You don't make it easy. The screenshot is shrunk that one can almost not read anything, and the TADS page is cutoff at the bottom where the range is shown 

If I'm reading the TSD on the left correctly, the grid size is 5.0M--five miles per grid. This would make the range at least 10 miles, which is outside the Hellfire's range.

From my experience, if the range is too long by a lot, George will say so, but I've had the same situation, where I though I was in range and George said "engaging" every time I hit [Consent], but refused to fire until I got closer, but never said that I wasn't in range. It was VERY frustrating, because the target was in an open field with nothing to interfere with the view and I was going crazy.

Unfortunately, by the time I slid into range and George finally got the shot off, the target had fired a wire guided missile, and guess which one hit first... 

[BIGNEWY]

Please note we have some LOAL tweaks coming in the next patch 

thanks

[Nightmare22]

I only ever seem to have George AI Issues on multiplayer servers, if I play my own basic missions he fires every time. Is there a chance that multiple use of the same laser codes are causing issues? (especially on servers with Drone JTAC constantly lasing 1688)

If I change the laser code via code option on the weapons page to say B would it change for George too? 

[BIGNEWY]

laser code changes when you change it, code and channel can be changed and george will continue. 

We have our first patch soon, hopefully those seeing issues will see improvement. 

thank you

[Emme]

It seems like George has problems firing at targets that have slight cover especially when it comes to buildings. I often find myself in situations where George simply refuses to shoot a missile at targets that are not standing in an open field. And it doesn't really matter if sp or mp. So when looking at the OP's picture you can see the target is behind or at least close to a building. So that matches exactly what I'm experiencing myself quite often.

Edited March 30, 2022 by Emme

[Ramstein]

I had the same issues,, George would not fire after the patch,,, meanwhile if you are in a fight, being shot at, or getting older as the time ticks by..... I have to fly a lot more after yesterdays patch to see if was just that flight... but expected no issues, and it still didn't fire.. the Helo is wonderful, don't get me wrong, just wish George would pay attention...