can not reproduce Cannot fire AMRAAM when auto start

[Bob Morton]

Hello,

I believe this might be a very noob question. I am playing a mission that requires cold start and I use the auto-start cheat to start the F-16.

The mission is in the Marianas and it is an intercept of Chinese bombers.

When auto-start is complete I take off and fly to the enemy. I lock on as normal. I make sure that master arm is on. However, when I press the button to fire the AMRAAM i refuses to fire. I  am well within range.

Sorry for the noob question, but why will it not fire. I suspect that it has something to do with the auto start and it not preparing something. I found for example that the auto start does not turn on the RWR or turn on countermeasures.

Thank you for the help.

[Tholozor]

Did you enter one of the air-to-air master modes? You can either press A-A on the ICP, or use the Dogfight/Missile Override switch on the throttle to enter MSL OVRD or DGFT modes.

[skywalker22]

4 hours ago, Bob Morton said:

Hello,

I believe this might be a very noob question. I am playing a mission that requires cold start and I use the auto-start cheat to start the F-16.

The mission is in the Marianas and it is an intercept of Chinese bombers.

When auto-start is complete I take off and fly to the enemy. I lock on as normal. I make sure that master arm is on. However, when I press the button to fire the AMRAAM i refuses to fire. I  am well within range.

Sorry for the noob question, but why will it not fire. I suspect that it has something to do with the auto start and it not preparing something. I found for example that the auto start does not turn on the RWR or turn on countermeasures.

Thank you for the help.

If you select hot start (from runway or from up in the air), are systems are set. You only have to select the mode you want to fire missiles. For Amraams you need to select Air to Air Missile Mode, find the target on FCR (fire control radar), in RWS mode, press TSM UP twice to lock the targert.

For details check Chuck`s manual on Page 553 (amraam) and 186 (radar - RWS mode, and TWS mode on 190).

[Jel]

vor 3 Stunden schrieb Tholozor:

Did you enter one of the air-to-air master modes? You can either press A-A on the ICP, or use the Dogfight/Missile Override switch on the throttle to enter MSL OVRD or DGFT modes.

/This.

Also remember, that the F16 requires you to press and hold the release button for a second or two to release the missile.

[dark_wood]

Also, MASTER ARM on

[Viciam1]

Did you get out of the plane and give the amraam a kiss on its nose? 

[Bailey]

Remember it's autostart, not auto configure. 

[Bob Morton]

I have done all these things. I put the system in missle override mode for AMRAAM. I have master arm on. I lock on using RWS or TWS. I press the trigger for a few seconds. Nothing.  I think there must be one step in the auto start that does not configure and prevents me from firing. Going to try again tonight to see if I can figure it out and let you know. 

Is there a guide as to what else needs to be configured after you use the auto start cheat? Such as the RWR and the countermeasures?

[Frederf]

I'll make a track with minimum steps to shoot an AMRAAM. There is also an in-range requirement to launch. A bore launch bypasses that but requires another button.

I noticed you said "trigger". The trigger on the front of the stick only fires the cannon. All other weapons use the weapon release button on top of the stick.

There's no specific guide because not all systems are needed for all missions.

• Auto start
• INS to NORM
• NWS steering on
• Takeoff
• Gear up
• Override switch MISSILE OVERRIDE
• SMS to BORE (or hold enable) if firing unguided
• MASTER ARM
• Uncage and weapons release buttons press and hold

F16 minimum AIM120 launch.trk

Edited July 21, 2022 by Frederf

[Bob Morton]

7 hours ago, Frederf said:

I'll make a track with minimum steps to shoot an AMRAAM. There is also an in-range requirement to launch. A bore launch bypasses that but requires another button.

I noticed you said "trigger". The trigger on the front of the stick only fires the cannon. All other weapons use the weapon release button on top of the stick.

There's no specific guide because not all systems are needed for all missions.

• Auto start
• INS to NORM
• NWS steering on
• Takeoff
• Gear up
• Override switch MISSILE OVERRIDE
• SMS to BORE (or hold enable) if firing unguided
• MASTER ARM
• Uncage and weapons release buttons press and hold

F16 minimum AIM120 launch.trk 59.5 kB · 1 download

 

Thank you so much! I will test it out!

[Viciam1]

Its pretty straight forward and should fire even with autostart...

make sure u got the weapon release button assigned to your firing button. Might have changed.

is this intercept mission the only mission where it doesnt fire? Have u tried other missions or multiplayer? Also is ur ins fullly aligned before u take off? 

Edited July 21, 2022 by Viciam1

[Notcher]

I'm a noob and am having the same problem, even from cold start. In either dogfight mode or AA mode. Any mission.

I can lock a target. The diamond in the HUD shows, along with ranging info. Master arm is on. I try to fire am AIM 120 at about 12 miles by holding down the weapon release button and nothing happens. If I get closer and switch to sidewinders, then get tone and press weapon release, the sidewinder fires no problem. Wondering what I'm doing wrong?

[Frederf]

Can you upload a track? It is about the only way to understand what is the problem.

[Ephedrin]

I had this happen in a couple of my liberation campaigns as well but I haven‘t been able to reproduce it intentionally. I‘m fairly comfortable with the F16, there is not really much required to shoot an Amraam. But sometimes it simply refuses. I‘ll upload a track file if it happens again but as I said I wasn‘t able to reproduce it so the file may become a bit larger/longer. No such problems in the F18.

[BIGNEWY]

If you can find a short as possible track replay showing it happen please post in the bugs section.

I can not reproduce so far

thanks

[skywalker22]

On 7/19/2022 at 6:03 AM, Bob Morton said:

Hello,

I believe this might be a very noob question. I am playing a mission that requires cold start and I use the auto-start cheat to start the F-16.

The mission is in the Marianas and it is an intercept of Chinese bombers.

When auto-start is complete I take off and fly to the enemy. I lock on as normal. I make sure that master arm is on. However, when I press the button to fire the AMRAAM i refuses to fire. I  am well within range.

Sorry for the noob question, but why will it not fire. I suspect that it has something to do with the auto start and it not preparing something. I found for example that the auto start does not turn on the RWR or turn on countermeasures.

Thank you for the help.

Can you upload this mission here, so we can try it out?

I haven't had any such issue since I have F-16 (in 3 years).

[Aquorys]

Does it say "ARM" in the HUD? Are other weapons released when you press the WPN REL button (e.g., try with rockets)?

There are F-16 checklists linked in my signature. You can download those and compare the switch positions after auto-start with what they should be before takeoff. Then it should just be master arm on, and either AA mode or MRM override, and they should just work. Also, maybe check the SMS page and various jettison switches.

Edited August 2, 2022 by Aquorys