Normandy 2.0 FAQ

[FupDuck]

On 10/10/2022 at 4:16 PM, NineLine said:

No the discount is for current owners of Normandy 1 and The Channel. There would be no other discounts in reverse. 

Hi there, 

I was just wondering if there is a "cutoff date" for this. When you say "current owners", do you mean that anyone who had these maps as of the day of the announcement on Monday? Or if someone buys one of the maps between now and the release date, do they get the discount? Is the release date for N2 the cutoff date? 

Thanks! 

[fapador]

As the title says,...

I have bought Normandy and the assets pack as I am really interested on the air events and history of the region. Now I saw that Normandy 2.0 is announced and I will have to pay again (in the form of discount for existing owneres)... when in my "economic situation" I'd choose a hundred times to give that amount of money to an aircraft add-on... (I know for others that amount would be insignificant but for me it's not like that.)

I am really disappointed cause to be fair, what the new map includes could have been  made as an update to existing region and not attempt to resell an extended/ redone version of the map again.

I really don't care about the Paris area added... as not much notable fights and events occured there...

Is it possible somehow  we can get the updates for free on the existing Normandy map aswell?

I acknowledge the work required for the map development but for example major terrain rework is done for free in the form of updates on the competion... and you all know what I mean by that. 

I really don't want to compare, or say one is better/worse. I just would like to submit a petition to reconsider...

Regards, fapador

[Skewgear]

20 hours ago, fapador said:

I really don't care about the Paris area added... as not much notable fights and events occured there...

The Paris area hosted most of Luftflotte 3's main operating bases. The 8th and 9th US Air Forces made multiple raids on Paris, its surrounds and the airfields in the region, bombing out marshalling yards, striking reinforcements headed for thr Normandy front and sweeping the area for the Luftwaffe.

I find it odd that you say you're interested in the history of the region (whether or not covered by the new map) and then show a lack of knowledge about it.

With my multiplayer mission designer's hat on I'm looking forward to having the Paris area as it adds so much more potential for bomber escort sorties, deep strikes and fighter scrambles woth a realistic timeframe to get airborne and up to altitude.

[MAXsenna]

As the title says,...
I have bought Normandy and the assets pack as I am really interested on the air events and history of the region. Now I saw that Normandy 2.0 is announced and I will have to pay again (in the form of discount for existing owneres)... when in my "economic situation" I'd choose a hundred times to give that amount of money to an aircraft add-on... (I know for others that amount would be insignificant but for me it's not like that.)
I am really disappointed cause to be fair, what the new map includes could have been  made as an update to existing region and not attempt to resell an extended/ redone version of the map again.
I really don't care about the Paris area added... as not much notable fights and events occured there...
Is it possible somehow  we can get the updates for free on the existing Normandy map aswell?
I acknowledge the work required for the map development but for example major terrain rework is done for free in the form of updates on the competion... and you all know what I mean by that. 
I really don't want to compare, or say one is better/worse. I just would like to submit a petition to reconsider...
Regards, fapador

So basically every other year when BMW upgrades their optics on current models, you'd like that upgrade for free?
Apologies, I'm just kidding, I know you don't mean that. But you should really re-read what's happening here. They have basically made a completely new map with new current technology from ED, and they can't possibly be expected to do that for free. The upgrade price is very fair, its about the price of a new DLC campaign. How many campaigns have you replayed?

I agree though that the announcement could have been handled better, with less confusion about what will happen the the NM1 and DLC campaigns etc. Maybe they should just stop selling it when everyone has upgraded if the campaigns can be ported in easy way. I do not expect this to be free either. God knows the campaign makers already have enough on their plate for our benefit!

Cheers!

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[fapador]

1 hour ago, Skewgear said:

The Paris area hosted most of Luftflotte 3's main operating bases. The 8th and 9th US Air Forces made multiple raids on Paris, its surrounds and the airfields in the region, bombing out marshalling yards, striking reinforcements headed for thr Normandy front and sweeping the area for the Luftwaffe.

I find it odd that you say you're interested in the history of the region (whether or not covered by the new map) and then show a lack of knowledge about it.

With my multiplayer mission designer's hat on I'm looking forward to having the Paris area as it adds so much more potential for bomber escort sorties, deep strikes and fighter scrambles woth a realistic timeframe to get airborne and up to altitude.

Since they closed my topic and moved it here... I doubt it will be heard by many people as I am not the only one, you know..

I have many friends on servers who are not fond of the Normandy 2.0 idea resell either....

Your reply, is incoherent with the meaning of my post, and can be considered an attempt to veer it of course. 

@SkewgearWhen I say I am interested in the events of the region, I mean the Normandy region particular and only.  I didn't say events or any air fights did not occur on Paris area as you try to make me seem to imply....

I am only interested on the area where the landing took place as I have ancestors killed on D-Day... but you seem to  rush judging and criticizing or perhaps your narrow scope of mind considered that I should be aware of every operation and axis force deployment of the wider area...

To sum up , I repeat, because people like SkewGear may have not understand the true meaning of my post or try to change the subject in an effort to discredit me,

I consider it at least unfair for buyers of Normandy 1.0 to be left out of a remake of the region and be forced to either upgrade or stay on an outdated version of the map. 

 

1 hour ago, Skewgear said:

The Paris area hosted most of Luftflotte 3's main operating bases. The 8th and 9th US Air Forces made multiple raids on Paris, its surrounds and the airfields in the region, bombing out marshalling yards, striking reinforcements headed for thr Normandy front and sweeping the area for the Luftwaffe.

I find it odd that you say you're interested in the history of the region (whether or not covered by the new map) and then show a lack of knowledge about it.

With my multiplayer mission designer's hat on I'm looking forward to having the Paris area as it adds so much more potential for bomber escort sorties, deep strikes and fighter scrambles woth a realistic timeframe to get airborne and up to altitude.

 

8 minutes ago, MAXsenna said:

So basically every other year when BMW upgrades their optics on current models, you'd like that upgrade for free?
Apologies, I'm just kidding, I know you don't mean that. But you should really re-read what's happening here. They have basically made a completely new map with new current technology from ED, and they can't possibly be expected to do that for free. The upgrade price is very fair, its about the price of a new DLC campaign. How many campaigns have you replayed?

I agree though that the announcement could have been handled better, with less confusion about what will happen the the NM1 and DLC campaigns etc. Maybe they should just stop selling it when everyone has upgraded if the campaigns can be ported in easy way. I do not expect this to be free either. God knows the campaign makers already have enough on their plate for our benefit!

Cheers!

An other discredit attempt...

I really didnt want to pull out that card but have you seen or are you aware on how many World updates have come up for free on the other Title?

Not only that but the coverage of the updates is also much more lavish over there.

[MAXsenna]

An other discredit attempt...
I really didnt want to pull out that card but have you seen or are you aware on how many World updates have come up for free on the other Title?
Not only that but the coverage of the updates is also much more lavish over there.

Discredit attempt? What do you mean?

First I thought you meant the other WWII, but now I know which one you mean. The new "shiny" one. Yes I've seen it, or rather no, I haven't. Why? Because I haven't bothered for a while. It looks so much worse in so many ways. You cannot compare the two at all. It's just a showcase of technology, meaning Azure. For transperency, I did pre-order the deluxe version. Might get back to it when they fully sort out their helicopters, buuuuut probably not.


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[fapador]

1 minute ago, MAXsenna said:

You cannot compare the two at all

I am not. I am just trying to show the contrast.

[MAXsenna]

I am not. I am just trying to show the contrast.

Yet you are. You come across as wanting to have stuff for free because other developers give it while loosing money, because for them it's PR for other products.

English is not my first language, apologies if things got lost in translation.


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[fapador]

and just to clarify I am not asking for free access to Paris area. I am just asking for people that have the Normandy area get the same map updated quality 

[fapador]

1 minute ago, MAXsenna said:

Yet you are. You come across as wanting to have stuff for free because other developers give it while loosing money, because for them it's PR for other products.

I have paid for Normandy product. Normandy 2.0 is like a new DCS coming out like DCS3.0 and forcing you to buy all your aircraft add-ons all over again.

But I guess people like  you, would be fine with that.

[MAXsenna]

I have paid for Normandy product. Normandy 2.0 is like a new DCS coming out like DCS3.0 and forcing you to buy all your aircraft add-ons all over again.
But I guess people like  you, would be fine with that.

Yeah, and you get to keep what you paid for. No one is forcing you to do anything. Your analogy doesn't hold water. I just don't understand why you expect to get major upgrades for free just because other developers are.
But you be you.

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[Beirut]

1 hour ago, fapador said:

I consider it at least unfair for buyers of Normandy 1.0 to be left out of a remake of the region and be forced to either upgrade or stay on an outdated version of the map. 

 

I bought Normandy 1 and I don't feel Normandy 2 is unfair. 

 

The announcement of Normandy 2 was obviously kerfuddled, that much is clear. And the diagram of the map with boxes on boxes in boxes was just silly from a marketing standpoint. Might as well try and sell me a car by showing me a schematic of the steering wheel. But as London and Paris are included in the new map, as well as the lovely discount I am going to receive, I can't complain about the end result. I will get a very good looking and enjoyable map for $10.  That works for me.

 

1 hour ago, fapador said:

I really didnt want to pull out that card but have you seen or are you aware on how many World updates have come up for free on the other Title?

Not only that but the coverage of the updates is also much more lavish over there.

 

Then be there if that makes you happy. You have freedom of choice. Fly however and wherever it makes you happy. 

 

 

 

Edited October 19, 2022 by Beirut

[Gunfreak]

1 hour ago, fapador said:

I have paid for Normandy product. Normandy 2.0 is like a new DCS coming out like DCS3.0 and forcing you to buy all your aircraft add-ons all over again.

But I guess people like  you, would be fine with that.

If you every 4 years had to spend 10 bucks for to upgrade all planes to a higher standard  that would be awesome.

 

So far the only problems I have with Normandy 2, is the unresolved issue with campaigns. And the rather in your face low detail area that is covered by the channel map.

[fapador]

2 hours ago, MAXsenna said:

Yeah, and you get to keep what you paid for. No one is forcing you to do anything. Your analogy doesn't hold water. I just don't understand why you expect to get major upgrades for free just because other developers are.
But you be you.

All this could be an upgrade for people that have already paid, and save the fuss with the campaigns. If developers are so desperate to grab 16euros more from people that have already paid, then this is very sad... and disapointing, as the title of my removed topic said.

I think me and everyone else would always prefer that 16euros to go on another aircraft add-on than this update.

With the energy crisis growing and the uncertainty the war is causing, I don't agree with the timing of this policy and marketing they have come up.

Regards,

fapador

PS: My analogy holds  very well water, infact so much it seems it pisses some people off.... 

 

 

 

[Gunfreak]

You do realise that the other sim has probably sold for at least 1.3 billion dollars. A sum that is so high it can keep a team of developers continuing to develop the sim for a dozen years no problem? Not taking into account all the sales the sim will have the years to come.

Ugra is a small team probably counting profits in the thousands, not hundreds of thousands or even in the tens of thousands. 

[Ala13_ManOWar]

3 hours ago, MAXsenna said:

Discredit attempt? What do you mean?

First I thought you meant the other WWII, but now I know which one you mean. The new "shiny" one. Yes I've seen it, or rather no, I haven't. Why? Because I haven't bothered for a while. It looks so much worse in so many ways. You cannot compare the two at all. It's just a showcase of technology, meaning Azure. For transperency, I did pre-order the deluxe version. Might get back to it when they fully sort out their helicopters, buuuuut probably not.


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He's a usual troll around here, his first post (in the wrong forum, of course, as he tried to stand out playing dumb like he didn't know there's a specific subforum) was surprisingly "well mannered" knowing his usual behaviour. But he can't help it and showed up as soon as you replied him, but it's no news for a known troll/kid/kidtroll user. It's better just to ignore him and his "claims", his many "friends" with his same opinion, are probably only in his imagination, and so on. Don't bother yourself trying to argue with logic points with him, he won't see anything further than his own twisted weird self centred already shown "opinion".

[MAXsenna]

He's a usual troll around here, his first post (in the wrong forum, of course, as he tried to stand out playing dumb like he didn't know there's a specific subforum) was surprisingly "well mannered" knowing his usual behaviour. But he can't help it and showed up as soon as you replied him, but it's no news for a known troll/kid/kidtroll user. It's better just to ignore him and his "claims", his many "friends" with his same opinion, are probably only in his imagination, and so on. Don't bother yourself trying to argue with logic points with him, he won't see anything further than his own twisted weird self centred already shown "opinion".

Yes, thank you! It dawned on me, and I remember now.
Cheers!

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[fapador]

You are the only troll around here mate following my every posts... You need help....

1 hour ago, Ala13_ManOWar said:

He's a usual troll around here, his first post (in the wrong forum, of course, as he tried to stand out playing dumb like he didn't know there's a specific subforum) was surprisingly "well mannered" knowing his usual behaviour. But he can't help it and showed up as soon as you replied him, but it's no news for a known troll/kid/kidtroll user. It's better just to ignore him and his "claims", his many "friends" with his same opinion, are probably only in his imagination, and so on. Don't bother yourself trying to argue with logic points with him, he won't see anything further than his own twisted weird self centred already shown "opinion".

 

1 hour ago, Gunfreak said:

You do realise that the other sim has probably sold for at least 1.3 billion dollars. A sum that is so high it can keep a team of developers continuing to develop the sim for a dozen years no problem? Not taking into account all the sales the sim will have the years to come.

Ugra is a small team probably counting profits in the thousands, not hundreds of thousands or even in the tens of thousands. 

Who is comparing now???

Edited October 19, 2022 by fapador

[BIGNEWY]

@fapador you have given your feedback please dont start with the back and forth in the thread. 

Ladies and gentlemen treat each other with respect or we will hand warnings out. 

Thank you

[Lucidus]

"If you have either DCS: Normandy 1944 or DCS: The Channel maps, you can purchase Normandy 2 for $14.99 USD."

I have The Channel so this is must have (like The Kola  Peninsula). 

[MAESTR0]

Hey! Let's continue:

Why is Normandy 2 released separately and what about Normandy 1944?

Normandy 2 is a new map that is created on new technologies and includes a territory much larger than N1944, much more perfect and detailed.

The developers of UM and ED are making it so that all users of Normandy1944 will have a free global update available that will allow them to get their N1944 map at the Normandy 2 technology level and make these maps compatible in online multiplayer scenarios.

Brighton (UK)

You can see more pictures in this 2 theme:

 

What happens when a player with just Normandy 1 spawns at a field on a Normandy 2 MP server that isn't on the Normandy 1 map?

All obstacles and terrain for both maps will be the same after updates. 

Will the internal DCS map coordinates be the same as on the prior Normandy 1944, I mean the same coordinate origin and coordinate scales?

Yes, the Origin and coordinate scales remain the same.

 

How low is low detail? If I fly from one high detailed airbase to another high detailed base but pass through a low detailed area, how jarring will it be?

We are currently doing a lot of work to ensure that the Normandie2 map is friendly to all DCS users.

Beachy Head

This is a screenshot  of a highly detailed map area. Previously, this was a "low detail zone" on the 1944 Normandy map, but now it will be available to all users with this level of detail. This will be for the users of "Normandy 1944" and for the owners of "Normandy 2".

I didn't understand what would happen to my Normandy 1944?

The users will not lose anything, on the contrary, they will gain. The map will receive a global update: improvements to the southern part of England will become available with a detailed coastline and original airfields, there will be an update of buildings and airfields. Also, new terrain textures have been added for England.

What airfields will be on the map?

In addition to the 50 airfields announced, we are already working on airfields: Orly, Dreux, Stoney Cross, Thorney Island, Croydon, Odiham. By the time of release, the number of airfields will reach 65, which is more than on the map of Syria"

Funtington Airfield

Edited October 23, 2022 by MAESTR0

[Night Owl]

Fantastic, only good news! This post adressed all the points that I was a bit worried about from a multiplayer mission developer point of view, thank you very much! Looks like you guys are putting a lot of thought into making it easy for us to adapt the missions, that's great! 
 

I am also very excited about the addition of Dreux, which was a very important Luftwaffe base which saw multiple raids of fighter-bombers and bombers, as well as Stoney Cross as a USAAF field.

[Nirvi]

Awesome news, can‘t wait for the first flight over normandy 2.0

[[AUSSIE]t0min8t0r]

I feel like a child in a candy store this is amazing news can't wait to see the final product 

[XCNuse]

Personally I'm curious to see what "N1" will look like when N2 releases; at the end of the day... they match.

 

That said, rather impressive how detailed this map is, it is, beautiful!

I struggle to see the performance will match however, not with this incredible increase in detail!

For anyone curious to see other comparisons don't forget to see here: