Possibility for the F-15E to fly without CFT

[hmleao]

I'm actually happy about getting the strike eagle.

[Ramsay]

5 hours ago, Tvrdi said:

I wonder why Razbam simply didnt go with F15C. Easier to make and it would be more convenient since ppl are mostly flying singleplayer and we in multiplayer more often than not- alone. In one plane, that is. Yes, we already have 15C but...ehhh, low fidelity.

 

I much prefer the Strike Eagle over the F-15C, as it's multi-role and has flown both CAP and strike missions IRL.

The F-15E will fit well with DCS "Desert Storm", "Allied Force", "Iraqi Freedom" and "Inherent Resolve" themed missions and am excited to fly Razbam's module as I have lots of nostalgia for MicroProse's 1984 version.

With DCS multi-crew, I hope to enjoy flying it both as flight lead and pilot/WSO, so will pre-order 2 copies due to the discount - so the F-15E works from a business/sales perspective as well.

Edited January 29, 2023 by Ramsay

[Scott-S6]

18 hours ago, Tvrdi said:

I wonder why Razbam simply didnt go with F15C. Easier to make and it would be more convenient since ppl are mostly flying singleplayer and we in multiplayer more often than not- alone. In one plane, that is. Yes, we already have 15C but...ehhh, low fidelity.

 

Will ED grant a license for a 3rd party to make one of ED's modules obsolete?

[MAXsenna]

Will ED grant a license for a 3rd party to make one of ED's modules obsolete?

Well, the FC3 F-15C sells for five bucks or so during sales. They would probably make more money even of a full blown 3rd party FF module.

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[Deano87]

3 hours ago, Scott-S6 said:

Will ED grant a license for a 3rd party to make one of ED's modules obsolete?

A full fidelity F-15C done either by ED or a 3rd party wouldn’t make the FC3 aircraft obsolete. They are aimed at a totally different audience and have totally different price points. The FC3 jets are good for people dipping their toes into DCS, and getting to grips with the basics of flying and fighting etc. FC3 jets are the gateway to more complex stuff.

Honestly I’d be surprised if we don’t get a FF Albino Eagle at some point.

Edited January 30, 2023 by Deano87

[Tvrdi]

BTW, F15E (AI) in the sim can carry only 4 air to air missiles...Will that be the case with razbam module?

[AdrianL]

12 minutes ago, Tvrdi said:

4 air to air missiles

 

Will be able to carry 8.

There was a loadout chart posted in the forums but cannot find it for some reason

Edited January 30, 2023 by AdrianL

[Njinsa]

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[Tvrdi]

Oh yes, thats how you do it.  Thanks.

[Scott-S6]

8 hours ago, Deano87 said:

A full fidelity F-15C done either by ED or a 3rd party wouldn’t make the FC3 aircraft obsolete. They are aimed at a totally different audience and have totally different price points. The FC3 jets are good for people dipping their toes into DCS, and getting to grips with the basics of flying and fighting etc. FC3 jets are the gateway to more complex stuff.

Honestly I’d be surprised if we don’t get a FF Albino Eagle at some point.

 

Sure, but it's not a situation that's come up so far. If ED want to do the FF C that would be one thing but we don't know how they'd view a 3rd party doing that .

The FC3 aircraft are pretty iconic. If ED are cool with it then it's a little strange that there's never even been a hint of anyone wanting to do a FF F15C, SU-27, etc.

Edited January 30, 2023 by Scott-S6

[Elf1606688794]

35 minutes ago, Scott-S6 said:

Sure, but it's not a situation that's come up so far. If ED want to do the FF C that would be one thing but we don't know how they'd view a 3rd party doing that .

The FC3 aircraft are pretty iconic. If ED are cool with it then it's a little strange that there's never even been a hint of anyone wanting to do a FF F15C, SU-27, etc.

 

I'd rather get something new that we don't already have than get a full fidelity version of something we have now.

[Silver_Dragon]

1 hour ago, Elf1606688794 said:

I'd rather get something new that we don't already have than get a full fidelity version of something we have now.

The actual ED plans has a CH-47 Chinnook, a F6F Hellcat, and will coming on the future a Mig-29, old modules updated (F-5E and others) and surely more suprises.

[Tvrdi]

14 hours ago, Scott-S6 said:

Sure, but it's not a situation that's come up so far. If ED want to do the FF C that would be one thing but we don't know how they'd view a 3rd party doing that .

The FC3 aircraft are pretty iconic. If ED are cool with it then it's a little strange that there's never even been a hint of anyone wanting to do a FF F15C, SU-27, etc.

 

The problem is, with FC3 planes they are feel almost like one plane with simplified FM, simplified everything. HEck if you learn MiG29 you can fly others right aways (including F15C). TBH I would ban them from the DCS, if you ask me. Specially since in MP we have comic situations where FC3 planes are kinda dominating since they are very simplified and easy to use in ever single way.

[Nahen]

55 minutes ago, Tvrdi said:

 Specially since in MP we have comic situations where FC3 planes are kinda dominating since they are very simplified and easy to use in ever single way.

Why? Because according to the ED, it is impossible to find a target with the F-16C, F/A-18C radar at a distance of more than 40 miles? Is it because you can't effectively lock an opponent from a distance of more than 20-25 miles?
You think this is a simulation? That the F-15C is incapable of firing a  AiM-120C missile successfully at 30-40 miles? The problem is not the "simplification" of the FC3 models, the problem is the artificial castration of the capabilities of western machines so that they are not able to massacre eastern machines. For common sense - why rockets like the AiM-120C, which (supposedly) have the ability to hit a target 50-60 miles away from the launcher (data provided by the missile manufacturer), when you can effectively use them from a distance where you can basically use AiM- 9?
This is something I'm afraid of with the F-15E when it be relased... suddenly I can spot a Su-27 on radar at a distance of no more than 50 miles and fire an AMRAAM from 25 miles... well, simplification as hell... .

[Tvrdi]

I was thinking about simplicity of radar and HUD usage, the most. You know, very easy to detect, ID and everything with everything simplified. Not to mention you dont need to bother with any of the sistems really. FMs are also comical.

Edited January 31, 2023 by Tvrdi

[Nahen]

18 minutes ago, Tvrdi said:

I was thinking about simplicity of radar and HUD usage, the most. You know, very easy to detect, ID and everything with everything simplified. Not to mention you dont need to bother with any of the sistems really. FMs are also comical.

 

Ok, I'll stick to the F-15C because it's the only one I fly in DCS and in real life I've been obsessed with it for about 40 years.

What's funny about the FM F-15C? As far as I remember, according to its developers, this flight model is the closest to the real one in DCS, or one of the closest. That's what someone from ED once said.

Are you familiar with the F-15C's radar controls? I'll tell yYou that basically it doesn't differ from the original - I don't go into the parameters of the radar - the operation itself, the information provided, etc. - it's basically 1:1 to the real F-15C - so what do you think is simplified there? Please specify.

As for the detection range and potential shot, I have already written above.
I'm waiting for specifics.

In the last video from RAZBAM the target is locked at around 40 miles...hopefully that won't be the max for the F-15E when it releases...

[Tvrdi]

1 hour ago, Nahen said:

Ok, I'll stick to the F-15C because it's the only one I fly in DCS and in real life I've been obsessed with it for about 40 years.

What's funny about the FM F-15C? As far as I remember, according to its developers, this flight model is the closest to the real one in DCS, or one of the closest. That's what someone from ED once said.

Are you familiar with the F-15C's radar controls? I'll tell yYou that basically it doesn't differ from the original - I don't go into the parameters of the radar - the operation itself, the information provided, etc. - it's basically 1:1 to the real F-15C - so what do you think is simplified there? Please specify.

As for the detection range and potential shot, I have already written above.
I'm waiting for specifics.

In the last video from RAZBAM the target is locked at around 40 miles...hopefully that won't be the max for the F-15E when it releases...

Are you trolling me? Operational simplicity and details in general, everything. In FC3 planes you can do all this in few clicks. If any. Did you see the latest radar videos of Razbam (in F15E cockpit) or we gonna pretend full fidelity modules are the same as FC3?

Edited January 31, 2023 by Tvrdi

[Nahen]

8 minutes ago, Tvrdi said:

Are you trolling me? Operational simplicity and details in general, everything. In FC3 planes you can do all this in few clicks. If any. Did you see the latest radar videos of Razbam (in F15E cockpit) or we gonna pretend full fidelity modules are the same as FC3?

 

What you write makes me laugh...
watching RAZBAM movies about STT and TWS in general about the use of the A-A radar in the F-15E, I find that it is exactly the same as in the F-15C with additions that have just entered the E model in REAL planes.

Now tell me SPECIFICALLY what do you think needs to be done with a "million" clicks to handle the radar in the F-15C, since all the support except for turning the radar ON comes down to HOTAS in the REAL F-15C - and I'll tell you a secret - I have exactly 1: 1 the same as in the real F-15C on HOTAS... so give me in CONCRETE what do I have "simplified" in terms of radar operation, target finding, locating them, and finally the choice of weapons and shots? Add what I don't have on the radar screen - as far as information - and what is in the REAL F-15C?
Go on.

Oh, and don't forget to refer to the flight model...

 

[Spurts]

@Nahen It is publicly known that FC3 has PFM (the best) and SSM (the worst).  Now, the SSM of the APG-63 might be seamless from the UI perspective but what processing that is happening to determine what to put on the display is not.  SSM radar functions in a "Target RCS is x and based on R1*(x/1)^.4 display the target when range is within Y" level of simple.  The advances System Models (don't recall their actual acronym) go through a "Using this frequency, PRF, and output power, a target with RCS of x would give a return power of Y at the current range.  Place that return in the right range and doppler bins and then run it against SNR requirements.  Once SNR thresholds are met then......" etc etc until the raster scan throws light on a screen to make a target symbol.  From a UI perspective under nominal conditions there are no differences, but the differences start to show in failure-to-track modes and edge cases.  

[Winterz]

I hope It will be an option later on.

[Alicatt]

15 minutes ago, Winterz said:

I hope It will be an option later on.

 

Flying a bit thinner today?

[Nahen]

45 minutes ago, Spurts said:

@Nahen It is publicly known that FC3 has PFM (the best) and SSM (the worst).  Now, the SSM of the APG-63 might be seamless from the UI perspective but what processing that is happening to determine what to put on the display is not.  SSM radar functions in a "Target RCS is x and based on R1*(x/1)^.4 display the target when range is within Y" level of simple.  The advances System Models (don't recall their actual acronym) go through a "Using this frequency, PRF, and output power, a target with RCS of x would give a return power of Y at the current range.  Place that return in the right range and doppler bins and then run it against SNR requirements.  Once SNR thresholds are met then......" etc etc until the raster scan throws light on a screen to make a target symbol.  From a UI perspective under nominal conditions there are no differences, but the differences start to show in failure-to-track modes and edge cases.  

I guess that's not quite the case. Why do I say that? Because depending on what beam "transmission" you choose in the F-15C with FC3, the radar behaves completely differently and detects targets of different sizes from completely different distances. I'll bet you a dollar that at least 50% of people have no idea what effect this has on the module's detection and locating of the targets... Why am I saying that? Because very often, flying on different servers with different people, when we fly side by side, I can find the target, lock it and give all its parameters long before others see any echo on their radars. This is how the PRF transmission - HI, MED, Hi-Med for many people flying these modules are meaningless parameters that they do not use at all. So I don't fully agree with what you wrote. The same applies to determining the target size for the AMRAAM warhead in the F-15C with FC3. For a long time I had no idea how important it could be in terms of the distance of the shot and its effectiveness. Well, probably a lot of people don't even know that it can be set in this module.

37 minutes ago, Winterz said:

I hope It will be an option later on.

Just like RAZBAM will release the F-15E equipped like the F-15E in 2022...

[Nahen]

2 hours ago, Alicatt said:

Flying a bit thinner today?

When in F-15E module be this:
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Do you get it? 2022, module with the new UFD and not the oldest UFC... And some new things that are in the F-15E in 2022 and not in the one from RAZBAM

 

Edited January 31, 2023 by Nahen

[Elf1606688794]

19 hours ago, Tvrdi said:

TBH I would ban them from the DCS

Why? Not everyone wants to learn a study sim or even has the time to do so. And for many jumping straight to a study sim is a very daunting hill to climb, it can be very overwhelming for many. Best to start easy and work your way up if that's what you desire.

[Nahen]

1 hour ago, Elf1606688794 said:

Why? Not everyone wants to learn a study sim or even has the time to do so. And for many jumping straight to a study sim is a very daunting hill to climb, it can be very overwhelming for many. Best to start easy and work your way up if that's what you desire.

Don't worry about him and his ilk, they get thrashed too often on PvP servers and look for the culprits everywhere except for their lack of skills.