Think the F-15 Release is/will have an Impact

[RogguDoggu]

I baulked and brought the Eagle, but I'll still deffo buy the phantom.

[Lurker]

23 hours ago, mondo said:

This isn't directly aimed at you but I don't understand the logic some people are using here. So they shouldn't release the SE and Phantom at the same time because you may need to make a financial decision about which one to get? 

It is a business decision, made by Eagle Dynamics and it makes perfect sense. They don't release two products at the same time (or close to the same time) to maximise sales of both products. It's elementary economics 101. I say Eagle Dynamics because while Heatblur or Razbam might say that they don't care, Eagle Dynamics takes 30% (or whatever amount) of the cut and they NEED to make sure that they sell as many copies of each module as they can. 

They will never outright say this though, but just look at the history of their past releases I don't recall the last time two or more modules were released at the same time. 

[sparrow88]

2 hours ago, Lurker said:

It is a business decision, made by Eagle Dynamics

They will never outright say this though, but just look at the history of their past releases I don't recall the last time two or more modules were released at the same time. 

There is no way of knowing stuff like this without accessing the contracts. I dont see 3rd party companies letting ED do that since financial burden of development is entirely on their backs and postponing release several months would basing on other company whims seems like bad way of doing business.

[Trooper117]

It's pretty simple... we don't know what's going on regardless. If they are released one shortly after the other, people who like both aircraft and have the available money will simply buy both. We are all different in our likes and dislikes and that is just fine.

Me, I'll get the F-4 for sure... I have no interest or desire to buy the F-15 as I know I would never fly it in game...

[mondo]

6 hours ago, Lurker said:

It is a business decision, made by Eagle Dynamics and it makes perfect sense. They don't release two products at the same time (or close to the same time) to maximise sales of both products. It's elementary economics 101. I say Eagle Dynamics because while Heatblur or Razbam might say that they don't care, Eagle Dynamics takes 30% (or whatever amount) of the cut and they NEED to make sure that they sell as many copies of each module as they can. 

They will never outright say this though, but just look at the history of their past releases I don't recall the last time two or more modules were released at the same time. 

But these aren't physical products. They aren't made by the same production team. There's no restriction on sales. ED will potentially lose sales in the short term by not releasing either when they are ready, despite a potential clash because there's going to be people who won't buy one but will buy the other. ED, Razbam and Heatblur will all have people investing and wanting that return on it.

[Nodak]

News flash, apple harvest delayed as orange harvest ripens earlier than expected.  Nothing to be gained, two separate modules by two separate groups.  ED would be shooting themselves in the foot by playing favorites and games with these guys.  Takes two to tango, whatever happens it's not without agreement between each of the two parties.  So who cares, lobbying won't get you a phantom quicker.

[ST0RM]

On 2/18/2023 at 11:17 AM, Despayre said:

We are talking about less than a tank of gas per module here.

Less than dinner for 3 at any restaurant that doesn't deliver your meal in a bag or a box.

Less than 15 (Starbucks) cups of coffee.

Less than 4 movie tickets.

All for people that have, for the most part, already spent thousands to have the equipment to play the game well in the first place. All this nonsense about costs and concerns about release dates is mind boggling to me. Am I the only one flying who isn't a teenager with a paper route or something??? Sure there's going to be a small handful of ppl that cannot afford $100.00 over 2 months of wages, I guess... but honestly, you're telling me that ppl with video cards that cost the same as my last car are now fretting over the financial decision between 2 jets that have so little in common, that beyond having 2 engines and somewhere for the pilot to sit, are completely different experiences aimed at very different uses and users?? I call bullsh*t on that one. Anyone under 25 that's busting their ass and legitimately cannot afford both,  you're exempt from this mini-rant.  

Well, if you're adept at telling us how to spend our money and obviously are so well off, it's not a concern, you might consider gifting the F-15E to the unfortunate. Especially the pensioner. 

[Despayre]

3 hours ago, ST0RM said:

Well, if you're adept at telling us how to spend our money and obviously are so well off, it's not a concern, you might consider gifting the F-15E to the unfortunate. Especially the pensioner. 

Nope, but I can recommend a good optometrist for ya.

I never told anyone how to spend their money, despite your attempt at mock outrage/concern suggesting otherwise.

Also, if you think putting aside [less than] a hundred dollars over the previous 6 months that we've ALL known this was coming, at my age, qualifies me as "so well off", then ya, I am I guess. Lucky me. Maybe someday you'll be lucky too. 

[markturner1960]

I think its less about money from the devs point of view and more likely to be managed by ED.....who would want to spread out the hype and excitement generated by both modules release. Its simply not in their interests for both to drop around the same time..........So if the F15 is "readier" than the Phantom, its likely that the release of the F15 will delay the Phantom release by some months......but that's just what I reckon.......

[_BringTheReign_]

3 hours ago, markturner1960 said:

Its simply not in their interests for both to drop around the same time..........So if the F15 is "readier" than the Phantom, its likely that the release of the F15 will delay the Phantom release by some months......but that's just what I reckon.......

If I recall correctly Cobra said that their strategy is to go ahead when the module is ready as opposed to delaying arbitrarily to defer to another group

[Beirut]

49 minutes ago, _BringTheReign_ said:

If I recall correctly Cobra said that their strategy is to go ahead when the module is ready as opposed to delaying arbitrarily to defer to another group

 

It will definitely be a managed-from-above release. Doubtful both will see the light of day within even two-months of each other, whether ready or not. Wouldn't bother me, but I don't think I get a vote.

[sparrow88]

11 minutes ago, Beirut said:

 

It will definitely be a managed-from-above release. Doubtful both will see the light of day within even two-months of each other, whether ready or not. Wouldn't bother me, but I don't think I get a vote.

And you think company that employs at least a dozen people will allow postponing their biggest release since 2019 on marketing strategy of another company? ED might have some leeway but companies plan their budgets on stuff like this and I am sure its all regulated in the contract.

[Beirut]

59 minutes ago, sparrow88 said:

And you think company that employs at least a dozen people will allow postponing their biggest release since 2019 on marketing strategy of another company? ED might have some leeway but companies plan their budgets on stuff like this and I am sure its all regulated in the contract.

 

As previously stated. 

[Bananabrai]

Jeeeeez, how long will this discussion continue.

5 pages of speculation.

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

3 hours ago, Bananabrai said:

Jeeeeez, how long will this discussion continue.

5 pages of speculation.

Speculation is always on tap.

[sparrow88]

they are dead silent right now so all we can do is speculate lol

[Pikey]

And the conversation rambles on, with a complete disregard for it actually being answered by Heatblur earlier! GG Internet

[Trooper117]

It's coming, that's the main thing... as long as it arrives that's all we need to know.

I've still got a shed load of flying and learning on other things to keep me going.

[Nodak]

It had an impact on me, bought one yesterday, and will pay any toll for it's Grandpappy!

[Paladin1cd]

On 3/21/2023 at 11:45 AM, sparrow88 said:

And you think company that employs at least a dozen people will allow postponing their biggest release since 2019 on marketing strategy of another company? ED might have some leeway but companies plan their budgets on stuff like this and I am sure its all regulated in the contract.

Absolutely, movies do it all the time because there will be people that will go to one and not the other if they are released at the same time. Same reason they don't have big TV shows compete with say the Superbowl or something. 

[sparrow88]

16 hours ago, Paladin1cd said:

Absolutely, movies do it all the time because there will be people that will go to one and not the other if they are released at the same time. Same reason they don't have big TV shows compete with say the Superbowl or something. 

Thats absolutely not the same thing. Superbowl date is known in advance. 

Movies are also different - its the producing company that pays for the movie to be made and decides when it wants to release it.

The proper analogy would be to 3rd party companies that do CGI stuff for the movie that is postponed - like TopGun:Maverick. Do you think that those 3rd party companies were not paid for 2 years waiting the movie to be released? I dont think so.

[Aussie_Mantis]

Seeing as ED has been extremely quiet on the F-4E front, I think it's safe to say that we shouldn't expect anything any time soon. Maybe wait until this summer's release window or later at the end of the year.

 

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Edited March 27, 2023 by Aussie_Mantis

[throAU]

I don’t see either release compromising the other.

DCS modules aren’t flash in the pan short term releases.

People who are interested in the F4 will get it eventually, ditto for the F15E.  They’re form different time periods, and whilst there’s some overlap in mission, one is not a replacement for the other due to the difference in capabilities and eligibility for different scenarios.

Me? I’m more interested in the Phantom.  Specifically because there hasn’t been a proper study level simulation of it that i can remember since i’ve been flying sims, and that goes back to Falcon 1.1.  Additionally, if i want to fly a modern multi-role jet with MFDs for any of the recent conflicts there are already plenty of great options.

I’d also love to see a full fidelity Mig-23 for the same reason.

 

[Lieuie]

Back in the day when we had a couple of full fidelity modules sales weren't really affected but nowadays there are so many modules that have been announced that it is impractical to get them all either due to cost or the lack of time you have to fly them.

I might have been more excited about the F-15 if I didn't know that the F-4, F-8, A-6 and A-7 were coming. Not to mention all the modules I already have but haven't had the chance to fly them very much.

So I don't think it's one module that is affecting the sales of another but a bigger change in DCS. We now have more planes than we have time to fly them.

[Despayre]

On 3/27/2023 at 12:29 AM, sparrow88 said:

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The proper analogy would be to 3rd party companies that do CGI stuff for the movie that is postponed - like TopGun:Maverick. Do you think that those 3rd party companies were not paid for 2 years waiting the movie to be released? I dont think so.

Also not a great analogy unless you wanna suggest that the CGI work was done on a commission/"profit split per ticket" basis, which likely would take into account the release of other modules, and would likely be spaced out optimally so as to maximize profits from the sales split (for all planes released) just like how they moved the release date for Top Gun:Maverick at least 3 times to maximize profits and avoid overlap with other big movies.

None of which I think is too relevant though, they'll release when they feel they're ready *and* when, whatever restrictions ED has in place, are satisfied.