OH-6A by Tobsen and Eightball

[Raffi75]

1 hour ago, Derbysieger said:

I only use a slight curve on the cyclic (Warthog stick on a Virpil Mongoos T50CM3 base), around 8 or 9 IIRC, completely linear for the pedals but I have a damper and simply remove the spring from my Crosswinds whenever I fly helicopters.

 

Works great for me, I can precisely maneuver the OH-6A in even the tightest of spaces

I use Thrustmaster - T16000M FCS Hotas + CH Pro Pedals. While I have no problem with large, heavy helicopters, I have a problem with this little one. There is still progress because I can take off without crashing and maneuver slightly near the ground, but it is still far from ideal and precise.

[Derbysieger]

1 hour ago, Raffi75 said:

I have a problem with this little one.

Understandable. Flying well requires minute control inputs and that is difficult. The FCS HOTAS should be decent enough to simply use a normal curve but with pedals where you can't remove the centering spring, precise and smooth adjustments become much more difficult to pull off and this is something that I have noticed with this helicopter - you have to be very smooth and precise. It's something I enjoy very much but I can't imagine doing with the spring attached.

I think one or two hours of trial and error will be required to dial in the curve for the CH Pedals.

For anyone who owns pedals where you can remove the spring a linear setup without a dead zone is exactly what I would recommend, even better if you have a hydraulic damper.

[Raffi75]

40 minutes ago, Derbysieger said:

Understandable. 

I practice all the time. In fact, the hardest part for me is mastering the pedals.

[Tonker]

19 hours ago, Raffi75 said:

Once you've perfected it, you can show it. I'm also still looking for the perfect one.

Hahaha, I'll get back to you in a few years!

 

In a similar boat though, so to speak, using the T16000 throttle and pedals, but recently moved to the Winwing Ursa Major for the stick. Sprung stick isn't ideal, but sprung pedals are a right PITA.

 

I got in a useful hour this morning, and am definitely getting my feel back but

- coordindation, particularly collective and anti-torque, is always going to be tricky when there's no feel and plenty of slop in the pedals. Muscle memory and a quick prayer to the gods of sticktion are the best advice I can offer!

- I've been scaling back the curves, down to 10ish for the pedals, 15ish for the cyclic. I couldn't have done this straight away, but it is helping dial in precision between my movement and the Loach's movement

- the biggest single improvement I had was in trimming for hover (load depending, but about 3 seconds of nose-up trim, 2 seconds of left roll). This gave me a fighting chance of getting up into a stable hover from the ground. From there it all got easier!

 

In related news, this literally just popped up in my feed:

 

Partly a useful concise resource, but mostly huge congrats to @tobi and @Eight Ball: of any airframe in any sim, this guy chose DCS and your OH-6A as the best demo of helicopter dynamics. I can see why, it just feels right. Even my cussups look like realworld cussups!

 

Per ardua...

[MAXsenna]

1 hour ago, Tonker said:

using the T16000 throttle and pedals,

Some WD40 does wonders on the rails of those two. 767 Nyogel is better, while VERY messy. For better control you can reduce the friction on the throttle. 

Tips on the pedals. Turn them upside down. Take off the tiny lid with one screw. Remove the spring. Voila! You have now sprung less pedals. With a little practise, you can put the spring back in a few seconds. 

Cheers! 

[CommandT]

How come the Ctrl+F2 view doesn't work with the OH-6? Is this intentional? That "GoPro" view function doesn't even exist in the key bindings. 

[Eight Ball]

16 hours ago, CommandT said:

How come the Ctrl+F2 view doesn't work with the OH-6? Is this intentional? That "GoPro" view function doesn't even exist in the key bindings. 

What's the difference with the F4 view?

[CommandT]

6 hours ago, Eight Ball said:

What's the difference with the F4 view?

Good point. No idea. Forgot about the existence of F4 since I've been using Ctrl+F2 in all other modules. 

In the meantime I made a new video with the OH-6

P.S. A virtual pilot body would really complete this chopper! 


Edit: is it possible to have an OH-6 as a ground object that doesn't have "spinning" rotors? I'm guessing it's a bug. 

Edited November 21, 2024 by CommandT

[SparrowLT]

On 11/20/2024 at 2:18 PM, MAXsenna said:

Some WD40 does wonders on the rails of those two. 767 Nyogel is better, while VERY messy. For better control you can reduce the friction on the throttle. 

Tips on the pedals. Turn them upside down. Take off the tiny lid with one screw. Remove the spring. Voila! You have now sprung less pedals. With a little practise, you can put the spring back in a few seconds. 

Cheers! 

I use the TWCS throttle as my collective.. i use Nyogel 767 and its amazing how good that is.. but it needs to be little and well spreaded in the bars.. another option is the bearings mod thats been arround for a long time

[Devil 505]

We decided to add fog to the jungle "old stuff before the new patch coming up."  This just intensified the fire fights.  Makes the enemy harder to spot and really makes it feel like a humid jungle.  Did an A-4 video along with the one below so you can see what it looks like from above.  Kandy was popping smoke for me and Zipper.  This was me down in the jungle with him looking for targets.  Zipper went down and we had our first midair collision in the Cayuse.  Good times! 

 

[Milopapa]

Hey guys!

For the life of me I cannot get the weapons to show up in game. They are there all right in the mission editor (both visually and in the list), they show up on the briefing screen configuration, but when the mission loads, the aircraft is weapon less (both visually and functionally).

I have everything correctly installed (including \tech\OH-6A_Weaponpack), but no joy.

Any ideas?

[Raffi75]

I've also noticed problems with weapons/payload recently. When creating a mission, everything is fine, I have a full selection list. However, when I'm already sitting in the helicopter, I can't make a change. It shows me one line of empty slots. I had the same in a saved mission that I created earlier.

Edited November 29, 2024 by Raffi75

[tobi]

48 minutes ago, Milopapa said:

Hey guys!

For the life of me I cannot get the weapons to show up in game. They are there all right in the mission editor (both visually and in the list), they show up on the briefing screen configuration, but when the mission loads, the aircraft is weapon less (both visually and functionally).

I have everything correctly installed (including \tech\OH-6A_Weaponpack), but no joy.

Any ideas?

Which loadout do you want to use?

 

[tobi]

2 hours ago, Raffi75 said:

I've also noticed problems with weapons/payload recently. When creating a mission, everything is fine, I have a full selection list. However, when I'm already sitting in the helicopter, I can't make a change. It shows me one line of empty slots. I had the same in a saved mission that I created earlier.

Do you want to share the mission?

[Crash *]

Dear Tobi, Dear Eightball.

I just want to say again how incredibly good your OH-6A is.

It's so much fun to fly this little gem around the country.

I hope that you will offer the helicopter as an official module at some point, then it will be even easier to integrate it into multiplayer missions. The potential is already there. Just fabulous. Well done. Bravo.
And since I can't get away from the OH-6, I have to ask you: Can I hope for a VR pilot body? That would be perfect for me.

Thank you for your incredible work.

[Raffi75]

1 hour ago, tobi said:

Do you want to share the mission?

Damn, now it turns out I made it up.  

Yesterday I couldn't change the equipment on the helicopter so I deleted it and put it back in with the new equipment selected, then flew a bit and closed the mission editor and saved it again. Today I wanted to check again, before sending the file, if it was still the same as I wrote earlier, it turns out that the game miraculously repaired itself. Honestly, I don't understand it. I created the mission before the last update and I had an earlier version of Cayuse then, and yesterday I selected the model after changing it to the latest version 1.51. Could that have had any effect? 

If the situation repeats itself, I will definitely send the file to you.

[Milopapa]

7 hours ago, tobi said:

Which loadout do you want to use?

 

Minigun, or minigun + gunner. Neither works (I'll try the rest later). Tried cold start, hot start... I'll include the mission when I have a chance but it's the same for a clean map with a freshly added OH-6 or when I change an existing heli in a download mission (Black Hawk Down Part 1) to an OH-6 and adjust the loadout.

Again, the funny thing is, my selection shows up correctly both visually and then on the briefing screen but when the mission loads, it's a plain, vanilla loadout (skin is correct though).

 

[tobi]

4 minutes ago, Milopapa said:

Minigun, or minigun + gunner. Neither works (I'll try the rest later). Tried cold start, hot start... I'll include the mission when I have a chance but it's the same for a clean map with a freshly added OH-6 or when I change an existing heli in a download mission (Black Hawk Down Part 1) to an OH-6 and adjust the loadout.

Again, the funny thing is, my selection shows up correctly both visually and then on the briefing screen but when the mission loads, it's a plain, vanilla loadout (skin is correct though).

 

That is strange. Maybe you can send a log file too?

[Milopapa]

2 hours ago, tobi said:

That is strange. Maybe you can send a log file too?

Here you go. 

I did two flights: one with minigun only (last line) and one with minigun + doorgunner.

The first one (minigun only) worked, the second resulted in an unarmed heli.

 

Syria OH6.zip

[tobi]

16 hours ago, Milopapa said:

Here you go. 

I did two flights: one with minigun only (last line) and one with minigun + doorgunner.

The first one (minigun only) worked, the second resulted in an unarmed heli.

 

Syria OH6.zip 36.4 kB · 1 download

Thanks. For me it looks like you are trying to have doorgunners with doors.

Usually doors are remove automatically if you select a doorgunner. If you add doors afterwards again. it is an invalid loadout.

Try using doorgunner with removed doors

[CommandT]

Police OH-6 FBI mission:
 

One thing which would be nice to maybe improve at some stage is the rotor animations. Occasionally they make me think my game is running at 20fps when you look at them. I think that along with a VR pilot body, would basically make the mod look like it's a payware module, which it honestly should be!

Thanks again for your efforts Eightball and tobi. Can't wait for future updates! 

[Plokkum]

On 11/20/2024 at 12:30 PM, Tonker said:

Hahaha, I'll get back to you in a few years!

 

In a similar boat though, so to speak, using the T16000 throttle and pedals, but recently moved to the Winwing Ursa Major for the stick. Sprung stick isn't ideal, but sprung pedals are a right PITA.

 

I got in a useful hour this morning, and am definitely getting my feel back but

- coordindation, particularly collective and anti-torque, is always going to be tricky when there's no feel and plenty of slop in the pedals. Muscle memory and a quick prayer to the gods of sticktion are the best advice I can offer!

- I've been scaling back the curves, down to 10ish for the pedals, 15ish for the cyclic. I couldn't have done this straight away, but it is helping dial in precision between my movement and the Loach's movement

- the biggest single improvement I had was in trimming for hover (load depending, but about 3 seconds of nose-up trim, 2 seconds of left roll). This gave me a fighting chance of getting up into a stable hover from the ground. From there it all got easier!

 

In related news, this literally just popped up in my feed:

 

Partly a useful concise resource, but mostly huge congrats to @tobi and @Eight Ball: of any airframe in any sim, this guy chose DCS and your OH-6A as the best demo of helicopter dynamics. I can see why, it just feels right. Even my cussups look like realworld cussups!

 

Per ardua...

Thanks for the plug! I tried many, many helicopters across different sims, like you said. But this OH-6A is possibly the best. It seems to respond correctly it all situations you put it in.

I started getting back into VR and bought the WinWing pedals this week. Suddenly it feels even ten times better.

Thanks for your work @tobi and @Eight Ball

Edited December 5, 2024 by Plokkum

[tobi]

1 hour ago, Plokkum said:

Thanks for the plug! I tried many, many helicopters across different sims, like you said. But this OH-6A is possibly the best. It seems to respond correctly it all situations you put it in.

I started getting back into VR and bought the WinWing pedals this week. Suddenly it feels even ten times better.

Thanks for your work @tobi and @Eight Ball

Big words thank you

[Morpheus]

Available soon in Users Files 

[LuseKofte]

On 12/5/2024 at 8:40 AM, Plokkum said:

Thanks for the plug! I tried many, many helicopters across different sims, like you said. But this OH-6A is possibly the best. It seems to respond correctly it all situations you put it in.

I started getting back into VR and bought the WinWing pedals this week. Suddenly it feels even ten times better.

Thanks for your work @tobi and @Eight Ball

I agree with you, but I aint a real chopperpilot, the vises one expirience with this is selfinflicted. It just feels right