SEPECAT Jaguar after F1?

[Logan54]

Hello devs! I saw a lot of french videos about F1, and I noticed that a lot of flights were together with Jaguars. And I find it as the really nice way of using 2 different jets with similar dinamics as mixed group. Jaguar was used as fighter-bomber with smart AG weapon, and it also can use anti radar and anti sea rockets and AGMs with laser-guided bombs. Also took part in Desert Storm operation and operated in Chad together with F1. So I think that it would be the great compliment from the chef if you guys find this idea reasonoble and let me and other virtual pilots interested in french line jets to have Jaguar in DCS.

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Edited April 12 by Logan54

[D0rmicum]

Yes, please!!!! Jaguar would be a blast!!!

[Silver_Dragon]

On 4/12/2024 at 2:34 AM, Logan54 said:

Hello devs! I saw a lot of french videos about F1, and I noticed that a lot of flights were together with Jaguars. And I find it as the really nice way of using 2 different jets with similar dinamics as mixed group. Jaguar was used as fighter-bomber with smart AG weapon, and it also can use anti radar and anti sea rockets and AGMs with laser-guided bombs. Also took part in Desert Storm operation and operated in Chad together with F1. So I think that it would be the great compliment from the chef if you guys find this idea reasonoble and let me and other virtual pilots interested in french line jets to have Jaguar in DCS.

More cockpit picture

 

As talked Aerges has a Spanish Team dedicated to build Spanish Air Force Aircrafts, dont expect a Jaguar.

[Johnny Dioxin]

Is that video at the top the one where the pilot got a bullet hole through the canopy on a runway denial mission (cos it looks like him on the still)? I recently read that story in Airfix Model World magazine. Still got back to base, but had to be lifted out of the cockpit iirc.

I can't see a Jaguar ever coming to DCS World, but would like to have one - could see it being my main airframe. Used to be my favourite visiting aircraft at Gütersloh in the '70's.

 

*btw it's been requested a number of times already so don't hold your breath

Edited May 8 by Johnny Dioxin

[felixx75]

On 5/8/2024 at 1:15 PM, Johnny Dioxin said:

I can't see a Jaguar ever coming to DCS World, but would like to have one...

Why shouldn't there be a Jaguar at some point (regardless of the developer)?

Are there no documentaries or secret documentation about the plane?

[Johnny Dioxin]

The point is that it's been asked for many times over the last 10 or more years and no serious dev (i.e. one that has actually hung around) has even commented on being interested in it. So - "don't hold your breath".

 

*edit - it's also not as if those requests run into dozens of even posts, let alone pages, of enthusiastic potential customers. Jaguar is one of, if not my fave RAF aircraft - used to love watching them arriving and leaving in RAFG (2sqn) and would be an instant purchase for me - but I highly doubt it will happen for reasons stated.

Edited June 10 by Johnny Dioxin

[felixx75]

I don't hold my breath...

But just because no Dev has commented on it doesn't mean we'll never get a Jaguar. 

No developer has talked much about an F-104 either, although many have wanted one for a long time. And look, Aerges is developing one.

One does not mean the other.

[Lace]

I would love a Jaguar, I think my first thread on this forum was a request for the Jag.  I keep telling myself the Jag doesn't have the broad commercial appeal of the F-series US fighters, but it was a big player in some major conflicts with the the RAF (Granby) and the Armee de l'Air (Epervier), is still in current service with the Indian Air Force, and was used by the Omanis until fairly recently.  It is as prolific and well known as some recent and in development modules (MB-339, G91, etc).  It fulfilled a nuclear and conventional strike role, recce, anti-shipping, precision bombing, was A-A capable, and later versions had Gucci kit like an HMD and TIALD pod.  Not to mention the rough/unprepared strip capability.  It is a good fit for the Kola, Hormuz and incoming Iraq & Germany maps too.

[Loukuins]

This is a spanish team, I don't understand why asking for a UK/FR aircraft, also they already announced their next product, they have a couple of years of work ahead with finishing the current versions of the F1, making the F1M, and then they will move on their next product...

[Silver_Dragon]

1 minute ago, Loukuins said:

This is a spanish team, I don't understand why asking for a UK/FR aircraft, also they already announced their next product, they have a couple of years of work ahead with finishing the current versions of the F1, making the F1M, and then they will move on their next product...

Arges has confirmed and moving to the new product on 2023, the F-104/TF-104G Starfigter, meanwhile complete the Mirage F1M.

 

[Lace]

7 hours ago, Loukuins said:

This is a spanish team, I don't understand why asking for a UK/FR aircraft, also they already announced their next product, they have a couple of years of work ahead with finishing the current versions of the F1, making the F1M, and then they will move on their next product...

The F1 is a French aircraft, and comparable in many ways to the Jag.  The fact that it was operated by the Spanish doesn't make it a Spanish aircraft, nor the F-104 which is next in the pipeline.  Of all the developers, Aerges seems the most logical to take on the Jag (given the role and era of their current projects).  Whether they choose to or not is of course up to them.

[Loukuins]

1 hour ago, Lace said:

The F1 is a French aircraft, and comparable in many ways to the Jag.  The fact that it was operated by the Spanish doesn't make it a Spanish aircraft, nor the F-104 which is next in the pipeline.  Of all the developers, Aerges seems the most logical to take on the Jag (given the role and era of their current projects).  Whether they choose to or not is of course up to them.

The issue is that they are Spanish, they are making aircraft so they can have SME and understand the documentation for the aircraft.

[felixx75]

I very much doubt that Aerges or their SME's are limited to the Spanish language...

[Mr_sukebe]

Aerges do appear to be focused on aircraft used by the Spanish air force, and I do understand their passion.

Maybe a better suggestion for once they finish the Starfighter would be the Mirage 3.

[felixx75]

Just now, Mr_sukebe said:

Aerges do appear to be focused on aircraft used by the Spanish air force, and I do understand their passion.

Maybe a better suggestion for once they finish the Starfighter would be the Mirage 3.

And that's totally fine, but they are surely not limited to the Spanish language

[Mr_sukebe]

1 minute ago, felixx75 said:

And that's totally fine, but they are surely not limited to the Spanish language

I’m not saying they are, but if that’s where their passion sits, sometimes it’s better to just roll with it.

Edited June 11 by Mr_sukebe

[fausete]

Hi guys,

Don't worry too much about this. We prefer to make aircraft that served in the Spanish Air Force out of passion but there is a lot of practical concerns there too: easier access to airframes, documentation and SMEs to name the main ones. That being said, that doesn't mean we won't make aircraft that didn't fly in the SpAF, as we have a deep passion for aviation in general, but concerns about information availability and comercial viability will also play a role in any decission, obviously.

In general, we appreciate these posts and they give us good ideas. To be honest, if we don't make all the suggested planes, it is more related to time constraints and the need to prioritise rather than lack of interest or passion.

PS: the vast majority of the documentation is not in Spanish.

[Rudel_chw]

1 hour ago, fausete said:

… That being said, that doesn't mean we won't make aircraft that didn't fly in the SpAF, as we have a deep passion for aviation in general, but concerns about information availability and comercial viability will also play a role in any decission, obviously.

 

Hi, thanks a lot for explaining some of the factors that go into choosing a subject for DCS

 

1 hour ago, fausete said:

In general, we appreciate these posts and they give us good ideas.

 

I’d like to suggest as a future subject, the Hawker Hunter, my reasons would be:

- It served with 22 countries, with almost 2,000 built, so I can imagine that dcs users from at least Uk, india, sweeden, switzerland, belgium, denmark, netherlands, and others would be potential buyers. 

- there will be other era-compatible dcs modules, like the F-100, the Mig-17, the Mig-19, the G-91, etc.

- it is less complex than other aircrafts like the F-1

- best variant to do, would be the fga mk9, in my opinion of course  

 

1 hour ago, fausete said:

PS: the vast majority of the documentation is not in Spanish.

I agree, of your modules the only one with spanish docs would be the C-101  

 

[Holbeach]

I bought the F1 today, simply because it's the nearest thing to a Jaguar out there.

Having said that, I'm enjoying it in its own right, flying the Kola Peninsular.

(I wish it was a Jaguar though).

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[ZekeAR]

The Jaguar, that ugly plane that pilots loved. An excellent attack plane that literally could take off from anywhere. If it didn't sell more it's because Dassault didn't want to do it.
It seems like a very interesting plane to me. The only problem is that the French and British versions are very different. Which one to do? Both?...

[Mr_sukebe]

As the Indians used the Jag, maybe one of theirs might be most viable from the perspective of acquiring data on its systems?

Edited June 12 by Mr_sukebe

[Dragon1-1]

First we need spherical Earth tech. It's well known that the Jag could take off from anywhere, as long as the anywhere was long enough for it to use curvature of Earth to get off the ground.  

I'd love that jet. It might not be the fastest or most advanced out there, but it would be a fun bomb truck to fly.

[Lace]

15 hours ago, ZekeAR said:

The Jaguar, that ugly plane that pilots loved. An excellent attack plane that literally could take off from anywhere. If it didn't sell more it's because Dassault didn't want to do it.
It seems like a very interesting plane to me. The only problem is that the French and British versions are very different. Which one to do? Both?...

There's not a single modern 'British' aircraft in DCS (excepting the WWII pair).  The Harrier is a USMC version, the Phantom a USAF one, the incoming Tornado and Typhoon are both German versions, and the Hawk is dead.  Someone needs to give us at least one please... 

But I'd still be happy with a French, Indian or Omani one.

Or a Buccaneer!  A proper British aircraft.

[dfpoor]

We need an aircraft that can lase for the Mirages, Jaguar fits perfect.

[YoYo]

Btw.

And BTW2.

(dev update of AzurPoly for MSFS)

+1 for this for DCS! 

Edited July 5 by YoYo