waiting for resolution RAZBAM Situation Post Archive (will be deleted)

[Fropa]

12 minutes ago, SkateZilla said:

ED cant just take down products because of opinions,

Agreement has to be made by both ED and RB to take them off the e-Shop, Steam and even RB's own website.

p.s. M-200C works, AV-8B Works, MiG-19 Works, South Atlantic Works, F-15E Works (in EA State).

So there is no "Unusable Modules" Currently.

 

p.p.s. the 6 G Limiter did not make the M-2000C Unusable, it gimped it sure, but it was still very much deployable.

 

ED is advertising unsupported modules for sale on their E-shop with no disclaimer about the ongoing situation whatsoever. That's a fact, not an opinion. That is not ok. That is how you lose customers. 

[Gman109]

Those of us who focus on dueling and 1v1 guns type of flying, certainly don't consider the M2000 being limited to air launch and/or 6g limits to be a minor inconvenience.  It's totally useless now.  If refunds are being offered for the SE, they sure better be for the M2000 as well in this state if it isn't fixed next patch.

I spent $200 USD on the Kiowa, Chinook, and a couple of the maps I hadn't grabbed yet, just a couple days ago.  I don't want to stop spending $ with DCS, or to look for refunds.  I just want things to not go backwards, which is exactly what is happening with the M2000.  If a message needs to be sent about how unsatisfactory the situation is, $ is the way to do it (refund).

Edited June 7, 2024 by Gman109

[SkateZilla]

9 minutes ago, Fropa said:

ED is advertising unsupported modules for sale on their E-shop with no disclaimer about the ongoing situation whatsoever. That's a fact, not an opinion. That is not ok. That is how you lose customers. 

Do you know how many games are listed on MS Store and Steam that arent supported no more by the developer studio w/ no disclaimer?

You're taking something that's common place every where, and using it to demonize ED.

[Oban]

4 minutes ago, Fropa said:

ED is advertising unsupported modules for sale on their E-shop with no disclaimer about the ongoing situation whatsoever. That's a fact, not an opinion. That is not ok. That is how you lose customers. 

How many times do you have to be informed that there's more than likely still contractual obligations between both parties that are still in place, that prevents one party removing them ?

Until a resolution comes around, it's still business as usual, just because you don't agree with it, doesn't mean that ED has to comply with it.

There's a lot of sentiment running here, and understandably so, but there's also a lot of self entitlement kicking around too, both parties are commited to resolving this issue, nothing has changed there.

[SkateZilla]

Just now, Gman109 said:

Those of us who focus on dueling and 1v1 guns type of flying, certainly don't consider the M2000 being limited to air launch and/or 6g limits to be a minor inconvenience.  It's totally useless now.  If refunds are being offered for the SE, they sure better be for the M2000 as well in this state if it isn't fixed next patch.

the G Limiter switch was fixed.

[Gman109]

2 minutes ago, SkateZilla said:

the G Limiter switch was fixed.

Ah, GG me then.  So you're saying that it'll pull full 6 G now, air or ground launched?  I'm not at home atm to try it myself.

[Oban]

Hats off to BigNewy and Nineline here for allowing this thread to continue, I think many forget they're also more than likely customers too, owning razbam products, and in the same boat as everyone else.

Cool heads need to prevail, this isn't going to be resolved as quick as most would like, and it sure as there's shyt in a dog not worth getting stressed out over something that's not in anyones control here.

[Gman109]

Just now, Oban said:

Hats off to BigNewy and Nineline here for allowing this thread to continue, I think many forget they're also more than likely customers too, owning razbam products, and in the same boat as everyone else.

Cool heads need to prevail, this isn't going to be resolved as quick as most would like, and it sure as there's shyt in a dog not worth getting stressed out over something that's not in anyones control here.

I said the same back on page 32 or so, which was just a day or two ago now, heh.  I don't think anyone is being hot-headed here really either, if that were the case the mod team wouldn't have let this continue on.  

[crazysundog]

14 minutes ago, Fropa said:

ED is advertising unsupported modules for sale on their E-shop with no disclaimer about the ongoing situation whatsoever. That's a fact, not an opinion. That is not ok. That is how you lose customers. 

What modules are unsupported?  Where is your proof of this?

Also, are the Razbam modules not for sale on the Razbam store as well?
 

I think many are assuming much.  Might be time to take a break from DCS...

[maxTRX]

17 minutes ago, Fropa said:

ED is advertising unsupported modules for sale on their E-shop with no disclaimer about the ongoing situation whatsoever. That's a fact, not an opinion. That is not ok. That is how you lose customers. 

So... now I know for sure both parties already agreed on one thing: Absolutely no fine print about possibly getting shafted. It's a start.

[Silver_Dragon]

25 minutes ago, Fropa said:

ED is advertising unsupported modules for sale on their E-shop with no disclaimer about the ongoing situation whatsoever. That's a fact, not an opinion. That is not ok. That is how you lose customers. 

"Unsoported Product"..... RAZBAM discord show future updates on the next path to South Atlantic map.... and other "claims"

Edited June 7, 2024 by Silver_Dragon

[Rainmaker]

2 minutes ago, Silver_Dragon said:

"Unsoported Product"..... RAZBAM discord show future updates on the next path to South Atlantic map....

Do we ignore the ones without coder support or nah?

Asking for a friend

Edited June 7, 2024 by Rainmaker

[TheFreshPrince]

vor 44 Minuten schrieb Silver_Dragon:

Someone remember M2000C and South Atlantic was update on last patchs and the actual modules are flyable? Where are the "Unusable products"?

 

M2000C was really bugged after one of the last updates and then luckily "shadow fixed" by someone. Without developer support there is no guarantee that this will be the case in the future. Unsupported modules can break with any update. And without some voluntary help, they won't be fixed. And I doubt ED will take the burden. As a customer that is not an acceptable risk. 

[lead dispenser]

7 hours ago, Beirut said:

We're all just guessing. But... one thing I'm not guessing about is that my RB modules have been orphaned by the devs. And since said orphaning (is that a word?), my RB modules remain officially unsupported.  I'm not saying that - RB is saying that. Intent may well be to offer support again one day. Reality is that my RB modules had no support yesterday, have no support today, and unfortunately, will likely have no support tomorrow. I hope that changes because I really like my F-15E.

My Huey hasn't had an update since the engines got touched about 6 months ago razbam did an update 3 weeks ago .by your account the huey is abandoned an we should all be crying over the huey not razbam

[Hunter2.1]

Even though I paid money for the module, for me this situation is a reason to warm up some popcorn. I love online action movies, though not at my own expense. 

[Silver_Dragon]

9 minutes ago, Rainmaker said:

Do we ignore the ones without coder support or nah?

Asking for a friend

 

Someone remember Larry Zambrano and Leonardo Salvatore RAZBAM teams members has codders?

 

Edited June 7, 2024 by Silver_Dragon

[Rainmaker]

Just now, Silver_Dragon said:

Someone remember Larry Zambrano and Leonardo Salvatore RAZBAM teams has codders?

 

You wanna post the rest of the context of that screenshot or no?  Screenshot has nothing to do with further development in its current state. Development is not currently on-going.  Perfectly meets the definition of being unsupported at this time.  Has absolutely nada to do with whether the RB team is still intact or not.   There, I’ll add the context for you. 

[Capn kamikaze]

19 hours ago, Beirut said:

 

Completely disagree.

 

With an established product like DCS, with a long history of EA module releases. there is a reasonable expectation of continued support. Sometimes prompt, sometimes not so prompt. But at no point is there an expectation of official abandonment of a module, much less an entire set of modules. If that were anywhere in the ballpark of being an accepted sales practice, nobody would buy anything.

 

Exactly correct, I am getting sick of people trying to defend this sort of thing, I have to wonder if they think it will gain them anything behaving like this, we need to be much more willing to stand up against developers as we would any physical product producer.

 

[Beirut]

25 minutes ago, lead dispenser said:

My Huey hasn't had an update since the engines got touched about 6 months ago razbam did an update 3 weeks ago .by your account the huey is abandoned an we should all be crying over the huey not razbam

 

You are free to cry as you see fit. 

[dali]

I don't know...its quite simple I guess...EA is beta testing and all of us who purchased a module in EA are playing with fire. What ED needs to do (if they don't have it in place already) is to set certain limiters to what degree of functionality one accepts module to be "complete". The parameters to that state need to be clearly presented when module is released in EA. Nobody is pushing any of us into purchase of modules, be it "completed" or EA. Also, I think nobody can demand of developers to make 100% copy of the aircraft they are developing...The only thing which is making pain is the fact, that majority of us purchase module and terrain in EA to support the developer (if I'm guessing by my motives) and if that trust is broken it is difficult to get it back.

Razbam has reacted like offended 12-year kid, and ED has not been clear on what is going on. OK, it seems it is legal dispute between two companies, but the trust what both of you are loosing right now.

Am I going to purchase more things in EA? Probably yes, but not likely anything from Razbam any more.

Edited June 7, 2024 by dali

[Beirut]

3 hours ago, MAXsenna said:

His own? (Aaand he's an airline pilot now...)

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I'm never quite sure what to make of Spudtato.  

[Fropa]

56 minutes ago, SkateZilla said:

Do you know how many games are listed on MS Store and Steam that arent supported no more by the developer studio w/ no disclaimer?

You're taking something that's common place every where, and using it to demonize ED.

So you’re saying everyone else is doing it, therefore it’s ok. Got it…

[Oban]

3 minutes ago, Fropa said:

So you’re saying everyone else is doing it, therefore it’s ok. Got it…

Way to go to twist the narrative.. context is everything.

[Rainmaker]

59 minutes ago, crazysundog said:

What modules are unsupported?  Where is your proof of this?

Also, are the Razbam modules not for sale on the Razbam store as well?
 

I think many are assuming much.  Might be time to take a break from DCS...

RB stating they were not being currently developed? You’re here but don’t know. 
 

RB doesn't even have a store.  And no, there are no links.  

 

Take less breaks.  Pay more attention to what is going on. 

[Slippa]

Bleedin soap opera.

F-15 Dead? Mine flies last time I tried. When I wasn't crashing the Kiowa, or Phantom like Jack, or the Loach