waiting for resolution RAZBAM Situation Post Archive (will be deleted)

[PhantomHans]

9 minutes ago, Rudel_chw said:

Of course, all that matters is what you care about, what other users might want is totally irrelevant  

 

I own every dcs module, and have not requested any refund … what I would like to see is ED and RB reaching an agreement that lets the RB modules keep their support and development.
 

While I wait for this to happen, I have stopped purchasing anymore modules since March, with the notable exception of the Kola map .. but I did skip on the Chinook, Afghanistan, and the Kiowa, and intend to skip on FC2024 and any other Modules that may appear before this ED-RB dispute is solved. I will keep flying the modules that I already own, but I will do my best to avoid spending anymore money on DCS.

 

 

 

10 minutes ago, Rudel_chw said:

totally irrelevant

 

 

 

[scommander2]

7 hours ago, Homelander said:

Neither the AG nor AA radar works for me.  Has Razbam also implemented a self-destruct button?

I will say to have one hand on the eject button (HOTAS) ready while taking off F-15E from the runway  

 

Edited June 14, 2024 by scommander2

[LorenLuke]

You know what's absolutely wild to me as a concept? The refunds.

Razbam refuses to support their module (at present) in wake of lack of payment, and starts this whole kerfuffle. People get upset with ED and/or Razbam, and demand money back on the F-15E. Obviously, I'm not privy to the contract, but if it's anything like the ones I've seen, I'm certain those lost sales aren't coming out of ED's wallet.

I'm very confused on how they thought this would help them in any way. It's threatening the jailer for the key while you're locked in a cell. 

[Maberickxx88]

vor 48 Minuten schrieb PhantomHans:

Kinda hard without the source code though right?

I'm fine with them being removed and abandoned at this point tbh.  Let them go the way of the Hawk.

Since the Hawk incident, ED changed the contract with 3rd Party devs. They have to provide the Code now. However the lawyers decide, the SE should be safe. If RB and ED get friends again, then RB continues Support on thier modules. If RB looses at the court, I think they will get fired, hence they cannot Support thier modules anymore, hence they have to provide the Code to ED.

Edited June 14, 2024 by Maberickxx88

[Rudel_chw]

10 minutes ago, LorenLuke said:

Obviously, I'm not privy to the contract, but if it's anything like the ones I've seen, I'm certain those lost sales aren't coming out of ED's wallet.

 

Not really, every sale of a third party module made at ED's e-shop, has a cut that goes onto ED's wallet .. I don't know the exact size of the cut, but a guess would be at least 30%, and besides the refunds are in store-credit, so it will eventually come back to said wallet.

Edited June 14, 2024 by Rudel_chw

[Ignition]

1 hour ago, Fisu_MAD said:

Without a patch, some of the F-15E stops working, this sounds like sabotage. Anyway, ED tries to locate the problem and fix it. This reminds me of the Harrier coming out of the EA with a spreadSheet full of unresolved bugs. And ED came out again to save the module. In short, it is clear who wants and who does not want to do things well. A shame about the Harrier and the M2K.

Ummm, can you explain to me how is ED fixing the Razbam modules without the actual code?

Also ED knows what's the problem but didn't say what problem is. Especially in this period where there're rumors for everything, why ED doesn't say the problem is this or that.

[Viper ZA]

Is it just the F15E giving people problems. As I said to myself last week "stuff it" and bought the Harrier again as I missed her, as she one of the best modules and I haven't had any problems since I got her. Everything is working as intended.

[Hammer1-1]

44 minutes ago, Flapjacks said:

If Razbam wanted to "Sabotage" their module, I'd think they would do it a little more competently, rather than something that was solved within literal minutes of it's discovery and with a simple date rollback. If they truly wanted to break the module, they would've done it. It's not sabotage. 

why would that cause it?

[shinobi61]

ED giving store credits for f15e, im leaning on razbam being the issue in all this and can only see them coming to an end. I wish only there was a way to save the harrier and m2k

[Flapjacks]

Just now, Hammer1-1 said:

why would that cause it?

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[Hammer1-1]

9 minutes ago, Flapjacks said:

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Why would the date matter with the radar?

[Glide]

If this sim had hordes of developers submitting modules every month, this situation might have been a blip.  I think because of the slow rate of development on this platform, the impact is felt to a greater extent.  I started thinking about rate of development, etc., and I started to wonder what brings in more revenue, an update like Multi-Threading, or a new module like the F-15?  And if more money comes in after major updates than after module releases, perhaps some resources could be put towards updates like Vulkan and DCS 3.0 to drive cash into the coffers, and perhaps some of that revenue can be allocated to a 3rd party developer pot to prevent such situations for occurring in the future.

Edited June 14, 2024 by Glide

[Rudel_chw]

11 minutes ago, Glide said:

wonder what brings in more revenue, an update like Multi-Threading, or a new module like the F-15? 

no doubt: the new module, as no one paid a cent for the mt update. Some could argue that mt bringed new dcs users to the platform, but somehow I doubt it would be people that wouldn’t have adopted dcs just the same with no MT.

[Blackeye]

20 minutes ago, Hammer1-1 said:

Why would the date matter with the radar?

Could be an issue with an expired certificate in the copy protection system.

[Flapjacks]

Just now, Hammer1-1 said:

Why would the date matter with the radar?

It matters with the files for the module. They are out of date or something. Rolling back the computer's date to the 13th (after DCS is up and running) is a work around to get the radar to work.

[javelina1]

would be nice if you could spoof the time/date for just this application.  Rolling back the time/date on the host, I would think could have some impact on any other functions.  (checkpoints, backups, anything else that's being sync'd.  chances of something getting clobbered?).  It's a band-aid I'm not going to use.  For now, I just uninstalled my Razbam modules, (all four of them), and will ride it out flying the Rhino... 

[Ignition]

27 minutes ago, Hammer1-1 said:

Why would the date matter with the radar?

I read about certificates since I don't know either. The files need to be certified and get encrypted for safety so the files don't get altered but that certificate needs to be renewed.

So more and more things will get broken as time pass.

[afnav130]

1 hour ago, Maberickxx88 said:

Since the Hawk incident, ED changed the contract with 3rd Party devs. They have to provide the Code now. However the lawyers decide, the SE should be safe. If RB and ED get friends again, then RB continues Support on thier modules. If RB looses at the court, I think they will get fired, hence they cannot Support thier modules anymore, hence they have to provide the Code to ED.

 

The SE is in no way safe if RB doesn't stay in the game. I don't trust ED to do right by the SE. I just don't. 

[Maduce]

3 hours ago, Hammer1-1 said:

really hope Razbam didnt sabotage this...never again will I buy anything from him.

Razbam is already cooked in my book.

[afnav130]

Just now, Maduce said:

Razbam is already cooked in my book.

Why? We don't know anything for certain. In my opinion both sides haven't covered themselves in glory. This isn't a one party issue. 

[Hammer1-1]

5 minutes ago, afnav130 said:

Why? We don't know anything for certain. In my opinion both sides haven't covered themselves in glory. This isn't a one party issue. 

That may be, but ED isnt the one holding their customers as leverage to concede $$$. Id probably give it easily 70/30 Razbams fault on account that ED didnt pull the rug out from under our feet quite literally. How could ED have handled this better? You're already getting store creds, and they arent saying much more than their lawyers advise them to.

Edited June 14, 2024 by Hammer1-1

[Maduce]

2 minutes ago, afnav130 said:

Why? We don't know anything for certain. In my opinion both sides haven't covered themselves in glory. This isn't a one party issue. 

I don't trust RB at this point. My only complaint with ED is the continued sale of RB modules, but I get that they are following legal advice. Just my opinion. At this point I am just ready to move on and enjoy other modules like the Kiowa and F-4. I hope that further development of a dynamic campaign continues. 

[Czar66]

1 hour ago, Rudel_chw said:

no doubt: the new module, as no one paid a cent for the mt update. Some could argue that mt bringed new dcs users to the platform, but somehow I doubt it would be people that wouldn’t have adopted dcs just the same with no MT.

MT performance increase contributed on my SE and Viper investment last year and potential new maps in 2024 as I can do more things for myself in the way I enjoy DCS the most.

This is the thing. Base sim updates does bring more revenue, especially performance as it reduces the sentiment of the sim just barely chugging along to: 'I can do more in this, what else is in the store?'

I wouldn't be investing in this today, money or time, as much if it were the same old DCS 1.4.

Edited June 14, 2024 by Czar66

[Oban]

25 minutes ago, afnav130 said:

Why? We don't know anything for certain. In my opinion both sides haven't covered themselves in glory. This isn't a one party issue. 

Because there's a historical stigma when it comes to Razbam, they have previous issues with other platforms.

There's an old saying, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like one...then the chances are..... it's a duck.

But you're right, both sided are at fault here.

[afnav130]

26 minutes ago, Hammer1-1 said:

That may be, but ED isnt the one holding their customers as leverage to concede $$$. Id probably give it easily 70/30 Razbams fault on account that ED didnt pull the rug out from under our feet quite literally. How could ED have handled this better? You're already getting store creds, and they arent saying much more than their lawyers advise them to.

 

If you are fully in the right, without question and nothing can change that, then silence is your worst enemy unless it's say, an actual criminal trial where you hold cards close to your chest. This isn't that and the hiding behind lawyers generally makes me suspicious. If you need a lawyer to protect you then my guess, it isn't as cut and dry as people would seem to think. Oh my god, you spoke the truth, it is unassailable, I am going to use to it against you. Thats makes absolutely no sense. 

If it is as cut and dry and you are still hiding behind the lawyers, that doesn't do anyone any favors.