waiting for resolution RAZBAM Situation Post Archive (will be deleted)

[Oban]

5 hours ago, Hammer1-1 said:

confidential would be the amount, which bank, who's in charge of it.finding out if theres a 3rd party involved -if there is one- public information. These things need to be out in the open with their shareholders, and Id be willing to bet Notso has stock.

I don't believe corporate meetings beween stakeholders/shareholders, in any company are released to the general public, and especially to disgruntled consumers.

People should also remember that when you point a finger, there's 3 more pointing right back at you.

I don't believe Razbam are trading on the stock market, so he wouldn't have stock, he maybe as one of their SME's be a  stakeholder.

These threads inevitably go the same way, with the same players involved.

[Notso]

7 hours ago, nessuno0505 said:

It's not a matter of if, but a matter of when. I'm pretty confident we'll see the asteroid first, then a finished and bugs free dcs world module.

Personally, I think an asteroid hitting the earth about right now would be the best thing for us.

[Notso]

6 minutes ago, Oban said:

I don't believe Razbam are trading on the stock market, so he wouldn't have stock, he maybe as one of their SME's be a  stakeholder.
 

Nupe.  I have ZERO stake in RB financially.  If they fold up tomorrow, it would be no skin off my nose.  I do have an admittedly emotional stake because I feel like I wasted 4+ years of my life and countless countless hours on this passion project (F-15E) to see it all potentially go down the toilet.  

[Blazkovitch]

5 minutes ago, Notso said:

Personally, I think an asteroid hitting the earth about right now would be the best thing for us.

And even then certain people would complain that the patch is delayed. Again...

[Notso]

3 minutes ago, Blazkovitch said:

And even then certain people would complain that the patch is delayed. Again...

And people would complain if the asteroid impact was late too......  

[wadman]

13 hours ago, Notso said:

 

@NineLine - you've asked me not to speculate on stuff here.  So here's a direct question that maybe you can prevent speculation:  What happens to the money in the two scenarios above?  Because I think that is at the core of what people are asking here re: "why are you guys still selling the module during the dispute".  I'm curious myself because I honestly don't know how this works.

Thanks!

Actually, the real question is why is there not a disclaimer on the store to let folks new to DCS that the Razbam modules they are purchasing are currently not supported and, in the case of the F-15E in particular, may never actually be finished?

Im my opinion, that is just flat-out wrong and there is no valid reason I can think of as to why that could not be added - unless Razbam does not want that disclaimer added (which seems unlikely).

As it stands now, it’s the new consumers that get the short end of the stick here and may lose some of their hard earned money (as they might not want a store credit after this type of introduction to DCS).  It’s not a good look for DCS at all - what a shame.

[Blazkovitch]

4 minutes ago, Notso said:

And people would complain if the asteroid impact was late too......  

My only hope is that it's going to wait for the next Tool album.

 

Just now, wadman said:

Actually, the real question is why is there not a disclaimer on the store to let folks new to DCS that the Razbam modules they are purchasing are currently not supported and, in the case of the F-15E in particular, may never actually be finished?

IANAL, but I believe that this is because it could be percieved in a court as a hostile action made with an intent to bankrupt RB.

Edited July 5, 2024 by Blazkovitch

[Capn kamikaze]

39 minutes ago, NineLine said:

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This is correct. We can say even less now. We need to wait for official statements, and even then getting the nitty-gritty details probably will not happen.

Well I can tell you with 100% certainty, that we, ED's and Razbam's PAYING CUSTOMERS, are getting pretty damned sick of this situation and the wall of silence that has been put up, we DEMAND some statement on exactly what is going on with the products we have PAID for, this is beyond a joke now.

[NineLine]

Added a small update on the F-15E Radar to the main post.

UPDATE: When version 2.9.6 drops it will contain a fix for the F-15E radar. This fix was created by our team and not given to us by any other party. 

[draconus]

20 minutes ago, Notso said:

Personally, I think an asteroid hitting the earth about right now would be the best thing for us.

Geez, they let such guys near weapons and nuke buttons?

[Horns]

15 minutes ago, wadman said:

Actually, the real question is why is there not a disclaimer on the store to let folks new to DCS that the Razbam modules they are purchasing are currently not supported and, in the case of the F-15E in particular, may never actually be finished?

Im my opinion, that is just flat-out wrong and there is no valid reason I can think of as to why that could not be added - unless Razbam does not want that disclaimer added (which seems unlikely).

As it stands now, it’s the new consumers that get the short end of the stick here and may lose some of their hard earned money (as they might not want a store credit after this type of introduction to DCS).  It’s not a good look for DCS at all - what a shame.

From the OP:

On 6/18/2024 at 6:55 AM, NineLine said:

How can you keep selling the F-15E or other modules?
Right now we are working within the framework of the legal advice moving forward and not wanting to cause any more riffs or issues. It's a complex process at this point and most likely why it seems to be moving so slowly for everyone. Nothing more can be said about that right now. Sorry.

Edit: For the response that has been given re labeling for the F-15E please see the final two sentences.

Edit 2: I guess that doesn’t appear to directly cover it if you haven’t been watching the thread. The answer whenever that question has come up has been that they are selling it as the lawyers have advised. They won’t elaborate on that.

Edited July 5, 2024 by Horns

[Oban]

13 minutes ago, Capn kamikaze said:

Well I can tell you with 100% certainty, that we, ED's and Razbam's PAYING CUSTOMERS, are getting pretty damned sick of this situation and the wall of silence that has been put up, we DEMAND some statement on exactly what is going on with the products we have PAID for, this is beyond a joke now.

and so is this demand!!

And speak for yourself, I'm a paying customer too, but not an entitled one

Edited July 5, 2024 by Oban

[Blazkovitch]

1 minute ago, Oban said:

and so is this demand!!

And speak for yourself, I'm a paying customer too, but not an entitled one

 

Oh come on. He paid 50$. He clearly owns the company now (or at least is a co-owner) and demands.. sorry.. DEMANDS... an explanation.

[Oban]

1 minute ago, Blazkovitch said:

Oh come on. He paid 50$. He clearly owns the company now (or at least is a co-owner) and demands.. sorry.. DEMANDS... an explanation.

LOL, I actually believe that's what some people here think.
 

[Blazkovitch]

1 minute ago, Oban said:

LOL, I actually believe that's what some people here think.
 

Oh, i'm certain of it. Extreme levels of entitlement mentality both here and on reddit are really terrifying. Some type of overcompensation maybe?  

[Horns]

21 minutes ago, Capn kamikaze said:

Well I can tell you with 100% certainty, that we, ED's and Razbam's PAYING CUSTOMERS, are getting pretty damned sick of this situation and the wall of silence that has been put up, we DEMAND some statement on exactly what is going on with the products we have PAID for, this is beyond a joke now.

I’ll take a wild guess and say the only statement you’ll get is already in the OP. If/when ED choose to make a new statement the OP will be updated. I’m sure the CMs have noted your comment, but I doubt that will change the situation.

[NineLine]

32 minutes ago, Capn kamikaze said:

Well I can tell you with 100% certainty, that we, ED's and Razbam's PAYING CUSTOMERS, are getting pretty damned sick of this situation and the wall of silence that has been put up, we DEMAND some statement on exactly what is going on with the products we have PAID for, this is beyond a joke now.

We do not have anything new to share beyond the radar fix. 

[wadman]

21 minutes ago, Horns said:

From the OP:

Edit: For the response that has been given re labeling for the F-15E please see the final two sentences.

Edit 2: I guess that doesn’t appear to directly cover it if you haven’t been watching the thread. The answer whenever that question has come up has been that they are selling it as the lawyers have advised. They won’t elaborate on that.

 

That still doesn’t make it right - beyond greed for dollars, I just don’t at all get why a disclaimer on a known/public dispute can’t be added so there is transparency at the time of purchase.  Regardless of the damn lawyers, it’s a bad look and a massive disservice for new customers - there is no changing that sad truth.

[Gizmo03]

vor 37 Minuten schrieb Notso:

And people would complain if the asteroid impact was late too......  

And most probably it‘s full of bugs - which could end up in a nice „Starship Troopers“ Assets and Module Pack. Could be worse

[krazyj]

58 minutes ago, Notso said:

Personally, I think an asteroid hitting the earth about right now would be the best thing for us.

have you been spying on my xmas wishlist ?

 

[Oban]

46 minutes ago, wadman said:

That still doesn’t make it right - beyond greed for dollars, I just don’t at all get why a disclaimer on a known/public dispute can’t be added so there is transparency at the time of purchase.  Regardless of the damn lawyers, it’s a bad look and a massive disservice for new customers - there is no changing that sad truth.

So you know the monthly sales revenue generated by the Razbam modules then?

Other than the F15E, what other modules are affected, because last time I looked, all the other Razbam products were allegedly OUT of early access, in other words complete.

Greed, for $80 a pop ? The monthly sales generated by ED to be classed as greedy, in my view, would have to surpass all their monthly overheads. And I highly doubt that's happening.

You're aware that all business plans work on ROI's right? ED's business plan doesn't have to be to your liking, you're a consumer of their FREE base product, nobody forced you to buy other addons, you buy those through clever marketing and promotions. ED hasn't put a gun to your head, and yet you seem to want to put a gun to theirs?

 

[MAXsenna]

Well I can tell you with 100% certainty, that we, ED's and Razbam's PAYING CUSTOMERS, are getting pretty damned sick of this situation and the wall of silence that has been put up, we DEMAND some statement on exactly what is going on with the products we have PAID for, this is beyond a joke now.

Well, I own every single module, even those that haven't released yet, and I disagree with you! You don't speak for me!

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[apolloace]

1 hour ago, NineLine said:

Added a small update on the F-15E Radar to the main post.

UPDATE: When version 2.9.6 drops it will contain a fix for the F-15E radar. This fix was created by our team and not given to us by any other party. 

So, you have the F15E code?

[TheFreshPrince]

3 months and no end in sight 

[Oban]

2 minutes ago, TheFreshPrince said:

3 months and no end in sight 

This isn't a playground spat..