waiting for resolution RAZBAM Situation Post Archive (will be deleted)

[pjbunnyru]

В 11.10.2024 в 21:50, Devil 505 сказал:

STEAM Data is not an accurate depiction of the totality of DCS players.  In fact, I would say it is much smaller than you probably think.  Most of us hardcore ED/DCS fans, including myself, have been flying the standalone version since its inception and feel it is much better than steam for a several reason that do not pertain to this thread.  I agree with NineLine and Bignewy DCS World is healthy and has a healthy future.  And to state 2024 has been a failing year is misinformation.  I think we have received more this year than any other year prior. Afghanistan, Kiowa, Chinook, F-4, along with a major sim update.  That is not the definition of a failing company to me.  And there are still a few months left for any stragglers that may or may not be released this year.  I feel the forums tell a stronger story and provide a better statical proving ground for ED's success than steam stats.

u forgot Kola map

[Mizzy]

20 hours ago, Devil 505 said:

As someone who owns all Razbam modules, it pains me to see the F-15E and Harrier go,

When are we getting the Blackhawk?   

The F15E is incomplete, but it's still functional apparently and some people are happy to keep it. The Harrier is still functional and feature complete, according to Razbam that is. They haven't gone anywhere but I understand the confusion as in, if Razbam goes (and I can't see them ever returning) so does all their modules. Good news, none of them will go, they are all staying and will remain functional in DCS for the foreseeable future as explained in the OP.

As for the Blackhawk, we are not getting a Blackhawk from Razbam as far as the evidence suggests or ever were, same as the Mig 23,  it's not being developed unless someone can prove this not to be the case. No doubt the Discord and Reddit bunch will disagree but will prove nothing other than what we all already know.

Good observations Devil 505, waiting for the BIG announcement from Zambrano 'soon'.

Mizzy 

 

Edited October 14, 2024 by Mizzy

[Mizzy]

21 hours ago, Pipe said:

Not stirring anything up, if ED had managed this such as the scenario I put forward. They would have gotten what you think they deserve. And this thread would not exist. 

I doubt ED will be influenced by any hypothetical scenario put forward on this thread. Not sure what you mean by "They would have gotten what you think they deserve"? Who are you referring to by 'you' ? I am rest assured that ED will be under highly professional advice, but as I said earlier, there is no harm speculating what the situation and outcome should be from their customers as it helps let off gas (or should that be steam) !

Mizzy

Oh btw, my apologies for saying you are talking 'garbage' a few posts back, I was lucky not to get another warning.

Edited October 14, 2024 by Mizzy

[Devil 505]

1 hour ago, Mizzy said:

As for the Blackhawk, we are not getting a Blackhawk

LOL.  I know Razbam is not making the Blackhawk.  Just having a bit of fun with ED.  Saw quite a few posts where people were saying ED is making the Blackhawk and has turned away Third Party Devs from acquiring the rights to make it so ED can.  PLEASE BEWARE, so I do not become a hypocrite to what I posted above, this is what I read online (forums) and is in no way confirmation.  I was hoping to get a smiley face from ED or a tease.  They probably wanted to punch me for saying that.  

[Mizzy]

6 minutes ago, Devil 505 said:

LOL.  I know Razbam is not making the Blackhawk.  Just having a bit of fun with ED.  Saw quite a few posts where people were saying ED is making the Blackhawk and has turned away Third Party Devs from acquiring the rights to make it so ED can.  PLEASE BEWARE, so I do not become a hypocrite to what I posted above, this is what I read online (forums) and is in no way confirmation.  I was hoping to get a smiley face from ED or a tease.  They probably wanted to punch me for saying that.  

So sorry, once I am on my high horse, I get carried away 

Mizzy

[Devil 505]

1 minute ago, Mizzy said:

So sorry, once I am on my high horse, I get carried away 

If you could not tell, I too get going on my high horse.  Sometimes writing a Tolkien novel like the one above.  Did not exactly end with Frodo throwing the ring into the fire though.  

[scommander2]

1 hour ago, Mizzy said:

I doubt ED will be influenced by any hypothetical scenario put forward on this thread.

I totally concur.

I guess that the purpose of this thread is for us to express our thoughts about RB/F-15E without offensive wordings (likes kids complain their parents for this and that), and I am not sure that RB will read this thread and understand our expectations.  

[Mizzy]

2 hours ago, scommander2 said:

I totally concur.

I guess that the purpose of this thread is for us to express our thoughts about RB/F-15E without offensive wordings (likes kids complain their parents for this and that), and I am not sure that RB will read this thread and understand our expectations.  

Oh, such a good post. "likes kids complain their parents for this and that" wow, you hit the nail on it's head about this thread. You have a virtual medal from me. Very insightful. Take care x bed time 

[draconus]

9 hours ago, scommander2 said:

I guess that the purpose of this thread is for us to express our thoughts about RB/F-15E without offensive wordings

Like this?

[NineLine]

On 10/13/2024 at 2:51 PM, Devil 505 said:

When are we getting the Blackhawk?   

Not soon enough... I might actually try and be a better helo pilot if we got a Blackhawk... I would probably fail but I would try. 

[scommander2]

17 minutes ago, NineLine said:

if we got a Blackhawk

Then, we shall have a campaign for "Blackhawk down" with "Combined Arms" lol... 

[Gierasimov]

34 minutes ago, NineLine said:

Not soon enough... I might actually try and be a better helo pilot if we got a Blackhawk... I would probably fail but I would try. 

Seahawk then? Supercarrier would benefit from it, I mean users of SC would for sure. 

[Devil 505]

39 minutes ago, scommander2 said:

we shall have a campaign

Name of the Campaign MUST BE "F***** Irene" 

[Nightdare]

On 10/13/2024 at 11:51 PM, Devil 505 said:

When both parties sign on the dotted line stating they will both adhere to their contractual obligations and responsibilities

First off: your whole post is wonderfully put 

 

The thing with the RB defenders, they keep pointing at the fact RB isn't paid, which boils down to nothing more than crying "victim" without any context

None of them are burning their fingers on the issue If and/or How RB breached contract, because that would risk opening up the possibility that they have to consider ED is justified in putting sanctions on a 3rd party developer

(Ain't it convenient how all the drama from the RB camp stays well away from it and tries to shift focus to alleged other wrongdoings by ED?)

 

Yet somehow, many of them are oblivious, or willfully ignorant to contractual obligations

My guess is most of them are probably only aware of basic employee contracts, where if you don't do your work, you get the boot, where if you defraud or steal from your boss, you get the boot and probably a conviction with the goal being to repaying/giving back the missing property

Things are a bit different with 3rd party contracts, the contracts aren't with people, but with companies and unless such a company folds, 'walking away' isn't so simple

Add to that a slated product release and "merely giving the boot" isn't an option

 

(Side note concerning employee contracts: Sometimes key positions are contractually set up that the employee cannot simply quit and walk away without serious repercussions

Of course the simpleminded would immediately cry "Slave contract", without looking at the reward that goes/should go with these important positions)

[Mizzy]

23 minutes ago, Nightdare said:

My guess is most of them are probably only aware of basic employee contracts, where if you don't do your work, you get the boot, where if you defraud or steal from your boss, you get the boot and probably a conviction with the goal being to repaying/giving back the missing property

 

From what I have seen and read, the Discord/Reddit brigade don't use any logic in their arguments defending Zambrano. It's merely regurgitated nonsense they get from each other, a bit like children when they gang up on someone. Why they haven't thought about Zambrano swanning off to Japan when he hasn't paid his contractors (which he is responsible for paying as he hired them), do they ever question anything!! 

Anyway, let's see what his announcement will be 'soon'. I hope Razbam clears off and be done with it.

Mizzy 

Edited October 15, 2024 by Mizzy

[LordOrion]

2 minutes ago, Mizzy said:

From what I have seen and read, the Discord/Reddit brigade don't use any logic in their arguments defending Zambrano. It's merely regurgitated nonsense they get from each other, a bit like children when they gang up on someone. Why they haven't thought about Zambrano swanning off to Japan when he hasn't paid his contractors (which is is responsible for paying as he hired them), do they ever question anything!! 

Anyway, let's see what his announcement will be 'soon'. I hope Razbam clears off and be done with it.

Mizzy 

I have been banned from Razbam discord when I pointed out how strange it was...

Edited October 15, 2024 by LordOrion

[Mizzy]

3 minutes ago, LordOrion said:

I have been banned from Razbam discord when I pointed out how strange it was...

 

 it doesn't take much. He doesn't like being questioned that's for sure.

Mizzy

[HWasp]

1 hour ago, Mizzy said:

 

Anyway, let's see what his announcement will be 'soon'. I hope Razbam clears off and be done with it.

 

 

Would be nice, if haters on both sides would clear off instead....

[Gierasimov]

2 hours ago, Devil 505 said:

Name of the Campaign MUST BE "F***** Irene" 

Sand 

Water 

Baptism of fire 

Bring on the DCS: Mogadishu

[NineLine]

1 hour ago, HWasp said:

Would be nice, if haters on both sides would clear off instead....

We all just need a healthy large group hug at this point. 

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

2 hours ago, LordOrion said:

I have been banned from Razbam discord when I pointed out how strange it was...

 

The kind of people that keep repeating that kind of nonsense are people who have never been privy to contract work and it's shocking how many haven't.

Stating that it isn't ED's responsibility to make sure RB's employees get paid is just a statement of fact. This doesn't even absolve ED of wrongdoing, even, as there could be plenty of other chicanery that may have occurred. It's like debating any topic in regards to environmental protection and then constantly pointing out that water is wet and thus your point is sustained.

But, who wants to ruin an epically funny meme with something like reality?

[LordOrion]

41 minutes ago, MiG21bisFishbedL said:

The kind of people that keep repeating that kind of nonsense are people who have never been privy to contract work and it's shocking how many haven't.

Stating that it isn't ED's responsibility to make sure RB's employees get paid is just a statement of fact. This doesn't even absolve ED of wrongdoing, even, as there could be plenty of other chicanery that may have occurred. It's like debating any topic in regards to environmental protection and then constantly pointing out that water is wet and thus your point is sustained.

But, who wants to ruin an epically funny meme with something like reality?

I'm still waiting for and explanation (hopefuly with some proof) of all those "wrongdoing" that Razbam supporters are talking about...

 

[Mizzy]

2 hours ago, HWasp said:

Would be nice, if haters on both sides would clear off instead....

But then you wouldn't have this thread you have taken the time to post on would you !!

[MAXsenna]

3 hours ago, Mizzy said:

Anyway, let's see what his announcement will be 'soon'.

Are we going on two weeks yet? 

[Mizzy]

9 minutes ago, MAXsenna said:

Are we going on two weeks yet? 

 I said a few posts ago, this is entertainment. It lets people vent their anger and that is actually a healthy thing because pent up frustration leads to worse things like turning to Reddit 

Mizzy

Time for boo boos

Edited October 15, 2024 by Mizzy