waiting for resolution RAZBAM Situation Post Archive (will be deleted)

[Citizen]

This is the first time I've seen verbiage indicating that a settlement has been signed. If you've seen it before, feel free to let me know where to find it.

The rest, yeah, heard a lot of that and in this case it may be a misunderstanding of how long it takes to action a settlement.

As far as if the settlement is a good thing, that remains to be seen.

[AndyJWest]

If you want to believe that actually amounts to 'indicating that a settlement has been signed', fine. Just don't expect anyone else to. Not in the context of a thread full of trash talk.

 

 

[Paraso]

There was talk of 'dangling a settlement' and a 'no intention to pay RB' in April by a certain SME exactly one day after the modules were taken down from the store, so mention of the word but no mention of a signing. One month earlier (in March) Razbam CEO stated he'd regained access to his developer account and was optimistic about a positive resolution, yet a month later their modules were removed from sale.

It seems a story worth considering that supposedly a settlement may have been finalized sometime in or around March, and then payment has not come through for one reason or another.

Speculation.

Edited July 1 by Paraso

[Hammer1-1]

might as well get your refunds, the modules are as good as dead either way. 

[Horns]

1 hour ago, Citizen said:

RB staff indicated that they "all signed a settlement" on their discord.
[edit] I guess it's former RB staff, which may explain why multiple signatures would be required. Dunno.

The below is based solely on what I've read here and the Discord comment being discussed. Please note all the "my guess is" and "I'd think" qualifications due to this being me just shooting my mouth off here, take it with a mine of salt.

Taking this Discord comment as true (which is not a given), I would be surprised if these staff signed an agreement with ED without Razbam being a party to it (if they did then I'd think it would have to be conditional on Razbam agreeing to it, which would add a major potential snag). My guess is any settlement for these staff would be with Razbam, with ED possibly being a party to it, and it might deal with outstanding payments to these staff being met before any further settlement goes to Razbam. Ron might then pitch it to these staff that he suggests ED provide an initial settlement to cover these agreements, which is something they probably should refuse to do since it could negatively impact how much they might ultimately claim.

TL;DR: Whether these staff signed a settlement or not and regardless of who it was signed with, they are still probably going to have to wait for the end of the dispute before they see any money resulting from it.

[draconus]

4 hours ago, Hammer1-1 said:

the modules are as good as dead either way

My Strike Eagle works great so speak for yourself.

[Mike Force Team]

I bet the "agreement" includes a NDA. Hopefully, ED will give us an official response. Ultimately, we want the updates to resume and focus on positive outcomes.

[BIGNEWY]

Until there is a resolution we wont be able to say anything. We have to honour our NDA's. 

thank you 

[felixx75]

9 minutes ago, BIGNEWY said:

Until there is a resolution we wont be able to say anything. We have to honour our NDA's. 

thank you 

How many times have you already written this in the course of the various threads?

[MAXsenna]

How many times have you already written this in the course of the various threads?

It's on his quick paste button.

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[cfrag]

7 hours ago, Citizen said:

RB staff indicated that they "all signed a settlement" on their discord.

Settlements are signed by claimants with the party they contend that they have a claim against. Since RB staff are, by definition, employed by RB (not ED), any such action would not impact the proceedings between ED and RB because RB staff only have claims (unpaid work) against RB. It may well be that RB is trying to disentangle itself from their former staff to put a price tag on/cap what they owe their former employees. That's common practice to limit exposure. It does not, in any way, influence the legal aspect/proceedings between ED and RZ; I would disregard above statement in the context of ED/RZ. 

[Aapje]

7 hours ago, AndyJWest said:

Incidentally, I can't see why Razbam staff would need to sign anything - the dispute is between the two companies.

A possibility is that Ron wants to prevent getting claims from his (former) staff. Especially if ED applies a huge fine to Razbam, then Ron might be unwilling to do certain payouts. Especially if for example, the contracts with his staff contains payments that scale with the number of sold modules, under the assumption that Razbam would get a certain cut.

So in that case, a co-agreement by the staff might be necessary before Ron would be willing to sign the settlement agreement.

Of course, the above is just a possible explanation of why the staff might have to sign something. I have no evidence in this regard.

[Mike Force Team]

We have not read anything from RZ. The vague information seems to suggest to the prolonged disagreement is still ongoing. 

When BN says there is no comment, I conclude we will be waiting some more.

[Hammer1-1]

2 hours ago, draconus said:

My Strike Eagle works great so speak for yourself.

Doesnt really mean anything; its a dead module.

[Silver_Dragon]

On 6/21/2025 at 3:09 PM, Czar66 said:

What Fynek meant was if there is any legal obstacle for ED to make a F-15E from scratch themselves, or any other RB ongoing project such as the MiG-23 or the A-29 as well.

Not dependent on RB code as it is from scratch.

We have to remember things that happened in the past:
- RAZBAM and IRIS competed to make an F-15
- IRIS and HEATBLUR (Leatherneck) competed for an F-14
- ED and two third parties competed for an L-39.
This isn't the first or last time we'll see multiple teams making identical modules, so I don't see a problem with ED or another third party making a MiG-23. They can make different versions and you won't have any legal issues.

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

3 hours ago, MAXsenna said:

It's on his quick paste button.

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It’s a proper use for keyboard macro buttons. I’m sure “When we have news to share we will” is also there somewhere

[GUCCI]

2 hours ago, Mike Force Team said:

We have not read anything from RZ. The vague information seems to suggest to the prolonged disagreement is still ongoing. 

When BN says there is no comment, I conclude we will be waiting some more.

Well said Mike Force Team,

This prolonged conflict between the RZ and ED seems to continue on.

I sure hope soon we all know the reality and get some closure, 

in the meantime i will enjoy my F15E strike eagle module and fly the heck out of it.

I don't regret the time I put into this module, even if it goes away, the memories will still

be there. 

[MAXsenna]

It’s a proper use for keyboard macro buttons. I’m sure “When we have news to share we will” is also there somewhere

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[Mike Force Team]

@GUCCI The lack of an official response from ED means we continue a practice. The practice is being patient. 

RB made some wonderful and extremely popular full-fidelty modules. Yet for reasons we still do not fully understand, we see the disagreement proceed at the pace of a standstill. RB's radio silence for public commentary, besides saying they have not been paid, causes us to wonder what some people were thinking. 

 

[Paraso]

Sentiment from RB staff suggests any disagreement/dispute which initially led to this mess has been solved/finalized/settled for some months, and the ball no longer rests in RB's court to bring it to a close. Such are not official statements and thus unactionable by us as a community. It seems just about everyone on the planet aware of the dispute would like it resolved, which makes it curious as to why it has not already been, assuming we take the claim of the supposed IP dispute already having been crushed as truth.

Not an accusation against ED, just interpretation.

As @Mike Force Team says, patience is key.

Edited July 1 by Paraso

[rob10]

11 hours ago, Mike Force Team said:

When BN says there is no comment, I conclude we will be waiting some more.

I suspect we will be waiting a while still, but BN saying "no comment" means absolutely nothing.  There could be an agreement signed and paid out whichever way but only planned to be announced at opening of business tomorrow morning and BN would still say that.  Or both sides could have told the other where to shove talks and therefore any potential for talks irreconcilably broken and BN would say that. 

[Mike Force Team]

@rob10  I know the Razbam's and ED's disagreement has left a sour taste in our mouths. Due to the lack of official information, aside from RB saying they are not getting paid, the business relationship seems beyond strained. My impression that the relationship could cease because the dispute has been going on for over a year.

[draconus]

1 hour ago, Mike Force Team said:

My impression that the relationship could cease because the dispute has been going on for over a year.

This tells us exactly nothing.

[cfrag]

2 hours ago, Mike Force Team said:

I know the Razbam's and ED's disagreement has left a sour taste in our mouths.

TBH, the fact that I purchased a number of modules (Harrier, Mirage, Mudhen, South America Map) from ED (yes, I purchased from ED - I know that because that's what the bill tells me who collected my payment) seem to have fallen out of service (some even before fulfilling their "Early Access" promise) has left a very bitter taste in my mouth. It's not as if this is the first time; ED has left me holding the bag before when I purchased the Hawk from them. I don't give a rat's behind for lame excuses or sob stories about some contractor acting up. If a company can't keep their suppliers in line, maybe they should take a good, hard look at their processes and they way they conduct business . Please, ED, get your house in order and provide relief for your customers.

[GUCCI]

13 hours ago, rob10 said:

There could be an agreement signed

Supposedly the agreement has been signed already by all parties, and RB await payment now to finalize it. This is according to RB's own M2M.

Maybe we see some big announcement or movement this month, I hope!