waiting for resolution RAZBAM Situation Post Archive (will be deleted)

[SkateZilla]

On 6/11/2024 at 4:47 PM, Kercheiz said:

 

This was posted in the original discussion forum (which isn't public by the way), ask your own sources for confirmation...

 

There's no case for defamation honestly, it's mis-interpreting chat dialog, whether it's a language and translation barrier or not, you can't push defamation on someone for opinions of screenshots of a chat stream.

That being said, there's a lot of mis-reading and mis-interpreting going around, so to call it 1 or 2 specific individuals in a pool of thousands, isn't really fair.

But the lesson learned, is how mis-information can lead to bigger issues.
 

56 minutes ago, BIGNEWY said:

Please do not get ahead of yourself, we can not say anything until the dispute is resolved. If we could say something we would. 

I am sorry that you are all having to wait for news but that is where we are are at the moment. 

thank you 

Does the legal team need any new interns to make and pass out coffee during meetings, lol? 

 

[Rainmaker]

19 minutes ago, Horns said:

Hi Rainmaker, just a friendly request: I believe I saw someone mention you were employed by Razbam, are you willing to state if you are still employed by them? You are free to decline or ignore the question of course.

Edit: To clarify, whether you are or not I acknowledge you have as much right as anyone to comment here.

 

I can most certainly clarify that.  I was never, have never, been employed by Razbam for anything.  Never collected a penny from them, etc.  I have no problem answering that question.  I'm not sure where people got that assumption and if they would have asked, I would have gladly clarified.  That's nothing but someone's assumption based on nothing I have ever said.

[Horns]

1 minute ago, Rainmaker said:

I can most certainly clarify that.  I was never, have never, been employed by Razbam for anything.  Never collected a penny from them, etc.  I have no problem answering that question.  I'm not sure where people got that assumption and if they would have asked, I would have gladly clarified.  That's nothing but someone's assumption based on nothing I have ever said.

Gotcha, thanks for the clear answer and apologies for the mistake.

[Rainmaker]

29 minutes ago, Oban said:

None of it makes sense, that's the most frustrating part as a consumer/customer.

Razbams claim = We've not been paid has more merit, because ED have not denied there's a hold on payment.

ED's CEO claims = You've broken the terms and conditions between both parties, with him alluding to Intellectual Property rights being breached/broken  ( Is this enough to withold payment without further investigation? That will be in the small print that most us will never be privy to.

We can only wait and see what transpires over the coming weeks/months !

Well, the payment thing has been confirmed by the opposing party.  So it wasn't just a denial, that was confirmed.

6 minutes ago, Horns said:

Gotcha, thanks for the clear answer and apologies for the mistake.

No worries.  Thanks for raising the question if that's some kind of rumor going around.

Edited June 12, 2024 by Rainmaker

[Hammer1-1]

2 hours ago, Oban said:

Taking the issue public, and making accusations, that if found to be false would be the end of Nick Grey, and if proven to be true will be the end of Ron Zambrano.

There's no winners here.

I'm curious as to what the stakeholders of both Eagle Dynamics, and Razbam LLC think of this whole situation.

I dont believe it is true.  It is what it is, but history proves that Razbam isnt all that great a company. Then again, ED has had quite a...history...as well, but Ive seen them reformed over the years. They arent the same company as they were 12 years ago. Razbam hasnt changed at all.

Edited June 12, 2024 by Hammer1-1

[NineLine]

36 minutes ago, Rainmaker said:

I can most certainly clarify that.  I was never, have never, been employed by Razbam for anything.  Never collected a penny from them, etc.  I have no problem answering that question.  I'm not sure where people got that assumption and if they would have asked, I would have gladly clarified.  That's nothing but someone's assumption based on nothing I have ever said.

I am sure it's an honest mistake as you are listed as an SME on their Discord with a special role, I know much like many of our SME's most are volunteers. 

36 minutes ago, Rainmaker said:

Well, the payment thing has been confirmed by the opposing party.  So it wasn't just a denial, that was confirmed.

No worries.  Thanks for raising the question if that's some kind of rumor going around.

 

We have tried to confirm anything made public in those official statements, everything else is left to the management teams to work through now. Nothing else will be commented on by us.

[fghidalg]

hello, i have a doubt, i as a client how long should i wait?, if there are no indications of anything official only speculations, i think that regardless of the result someone from the two parties should already put a limit to the subject.

Edited June 12, 2024 by fghidalg

[Ignition]

8 hours ago, BIGNEWY said:

We understand how the dispute becoming public has damaged reputations and we are sorry for that. That however does not change the fact that until there is a resolution to the dispute we can not say any more.

Thank you  

Public or not it would affect it anyway, or you believe that months without updates would go unnoticed by the community? This is a disrespectful comment.

[Horns]

38 minutes ago, NineLine said:

I am sure it's an honest mistake as you are listed as an SME on their Discord with a special role, I know much like many of our SME's most are volunteers. .

@Rainmaker Mistake is mine, I saw a previous post in this thread speak of you as an SME for Razbam, I wasn't aware there was such a thing as a non-employee SME at the time.

[Pipe]

10 hours ago, MustangSally said:

Why is an AV issue relevant here??

 

Because it’s the second time an RB module has had this issue in 2 weeks. I have not seen this with other devs modules, anything else you would like to know?

[MustangSally]

1 minute ago, Pipe said:

Because it’s the second time an RB module has had this issue in 2 weeks. I have not seen this with other devs modules, anything else you would like to know?

 

[Oban]

4 minutes ago, Pipe said:

Because it’s the second time an RB module has had this issue in 2 weeks. I have not seen this with other devs modules, anything else you would like to know?

It's not effecting everyone, so no need to get salty, it's nothing to do with the lack of updates. It's an AV issue

8 minutes ago, Ignition said:

Public or not it would affect it anyway, or you believe that months without updates would go unnoticed by the community? This is a disrespectful comment.

As is this !! You don't seem to grasp the situation that forum moderators are not allowed to comment on an ongoing dispute, and have stated this umpteen times now, what shall we do? Burn them at the stake to make you feel better??

[Pipe]

5 hours ago, Nightdare said:

 

This is the "what if" scenario, you just don't happen to like it

Do you honestly believe any other company works differently?

 

And who is burning trust? ED one day thought "Oh hey, why don't we pick a fight with one of our contractors, that'll be great for business!"?

You think ED is ruining trust by securing their business so they wont fold and you lose all your modules because a contractor put them into bankruptcy?

What do you think happens if ED doesn't protect its IP?

 

 

On another note:

Tell me Blackeye, does your boss tell all its customers every time when things aren't going great? What do you think what happens when he does? People will go somewhere else

Now what if things simply looked negative but no problems occurred? He just lost customers over nothing, he ruined customer trust over Nothing!

Yes, there may be a point where a business has to inform its customers that there are 'issues' and on what level this impacts the service provided (if it does), but you don't screw up your business by torpedoeing trust everytime things aren't exactly going to plan

 

Now it could also be I see a somewhat bigger picture than you, since the company I worked for over the decades, has over time, had issues with Suppliers, IP theft, fraud and insolvency, none of that we planned for to happen

The reason we still exist as a healthy company, is because we kept our customers away from our 'internal' issues and dealt with them, some quick, some dragged on, but if any word gotten out on some of those matters to the general public, it could have killed us on the spot, since customers would have walked away and it would have diminished our solvency to the point we couldn't operate anymore

 

 

and just an FYI, I own the AV8B, so I also have a personal investment in the current issue and would like to see this end positively

 

If holding someone else’s money is keeping ED from folding, it’s already over

[SkateZilla]

[Ignition]

5 minutes ago, Oban said:

It's not effecting everyone, so no need to get salty, it's nothing to do with the lack of updates. It's an AV issue

As is this !! You don't seem to grasp the situation that forum moderators are not allowed to comment on an ongoing dispute, and have stated this umpteen times now, what shall we do? Burn them at the stake to make you feel better??

Calm down, you need to take a brake of the forum. I'm not asking him for an update of the situation, I know it very well.

I was talking about "dispute becoming public has damaged reputations" as if the community would never notice the lack of updates in all Razbam modules, is disrespectful to the community. Public or not it would be the same.

[freehand]

On 6/11/2024 at 7:56 PM, Horns said:

Is that in ED Miles? Sorry 

That's a good solid 8 of 10 not bad. 

[Oban]

39 minutes ago, Ignition said:

Calm down, you need to take a brake of the forum. I'm not asking him for an update of the situation, I know it very well.

I was talking about "dispute becoming public has damaged reputations" as if the community would never notice the lack of updates in all Razbam modules, is disrespectful to the community. Public or not it would be the same.

Apologies, I misunderstood you.

[Ignition]

10 minutes ago, Oban said:

Apologies, I misunderstood you.

No problem.

[Nightdare]

1 hour ago, Pipe said:

If holding someone else’s money is keeping ED from folding, it’s already over

 

You misunderstand, not protecting your IP will eventually lead to your downfall

Keeping payment from a contractor that is abusing your IP is just a means of pressure to make them stop/reimburse you (and a warning to anyone else that thinks they can now try as well)

[Mizzy]

5 hours ago, Rainmaker said:

I dunno. Maybe the IP theft you call them guilty of?  Got anything to offer?

I am asking you, "I dunno" is not a qualifying answer to my question !

Mizzy

[Mizzy]

1 hour ago, Pipe said:

If holding someone else’s money is keeping ED from folding, it’s already over

Please stop showing your ignorance continuously!

[SkateZilla]

2 hours ago, Pipe said:

If holding someone else’s money is keeping ED from folding, it’s already over

I seriously doubt ED is anywhere near folding... whomever came up with that random conspiracy theory obvs doesn't know anything about finances.

[Mrgone]

Many of my clients like to buy, sight unseen, from e-bay.

Often they’ll later find they've paid a little more than the current market suggests for an item. 

A few have even asked if I will discount my repair price to compensate them for their purchasing loss . . .

I will ask them the following questions . . .

"Do you like to go clubbing?"

["Yes"]

"What did you spend last weekend?"

[$180.00]

"Did you get a number?"

[What?]

"Did you get a number?"

[If you mean a Girls number than, No]

"So, all you got for $180.00 was a hangover and no telephone number right?"

[Well, yes . . . what is your point?]

"My point is you’ve pissed away $180"

[Okay]

"Now you want me to compensate you for paying $50.00 more from e-bay than another might have paid . . . right?"

"Was not the loss of $180 an even larger loss?"

[No, not really, at least I got to listen to a good band and had a few drinks]

"Are you too going to ask the club for a refund?"

[Why would I do that?]

EXACTLY!!!

Listen, I too am a bit annoyed that some F-15E issues have not been addressed and certainly sad to see a drift with RAZBAM however, hammering EA will not move the issue any quicker.  Yes, $79.95 is not a small sum for any of us. I get it, but after all there might be bigger fish to fry out there.

I assure you that good things are yet to come . . .  

Be patient . . .

Fly this beautiful bird . . .  

It's not perfect but it's a whole lot of fun.

~Fin~

Who's this dork you might asking?

Just someone who likes to fly for the sake of Flying and the F-15E, with all its short-comings is still a lot more fun than the F-15C.

 

-Circulus in Probando

 

[Rainmaker]

56 minutes ago, Mizzy said:

I am asking you, "I dunno" is not a qualifying answer to my question !

Mizzy

Yeah, seriously, I don’t even know why you are trying to respond with that.  

[SkateZilla]

ok, you guys need to make up..