The unofficial "2025 and Beyond" video hype / speculation & discussion thread

[RVT2403]

6 minutes ago, BuzzU said:

The video sparked no emotion in me. ED can do better. Disappointing.

Disappointment is an emotion sparked. Mission accomplished!

[Zebra1-1]

1 hour ago, Kappa-131st said:

Eurofighter, F-35 ?

Is DCS a sim or warthunder...? It's impossible to make full fidelity system. They are classified. ED is going to make a "what if" modules...

My guess is that actual customers (eg. RAF, Luftwaffe, USAF, RAAF etc.) asked for these modules and provided the maximum amount of unclassified data to create the modules.  

1 hour ago, Mainstay said:

More and more bluefor…. 
 

Im honestly getting sick and tired of the mainly western focussed sim this has become. 
 

Wheres the full fidelity Su-27, Su-24, MiG-23, MiG-25, MiG-27, MiG-31 and so on and so on…

who cares about that fat ugly sheit F-35 garbage.. 

theres no balance if there ever was one ….. seriously disappointed and rethinking its even worth to put more money in this sim.

Politics....

[DD_fruitbat]

My god, so many whingers in here.

Really looking forward to the F-15C, both that and Fat Amy really were a surprise, didn't see either coming, especially the latter.

[Zebra1-1]

1 minute ago, DD_fruitbat said:

My god, so many whingers in here.

Really looking forward to the F-15C, both that and Fat Amy really were a surprise, didn't see either coming, especially the latter.

For real. 

[Bikerguy302000]

22 minutes ago, Beirut said:

 

Just a quick flash of this...

 

Seems logical Captain. 

1 hour ago, Mainstay said:

More and more bluefor…. 
 

Im honestly getting sick and tired of the mainly western focussed sim this has become. 
 

Wheres the full fidelity Su-27, Su-24, MiG-23, MiG-25, MiG-27, MiG-31 and so on and so on…

 

I'm guessing ED employees dont want to be "falling" out of hospital windows anytime soon. 

[jojyrocks]

Certainly very exciting modules for the Blueforce, I mean, very strong blueforce package...

 

The Redforce is pretty much doomed at this point, with just Mig 29 early version and sadly even their numbers are pretty low with no more Mig 23 for us, at least we could have had a good late cold war time to settle with some variety of choices. With F-35, F-15C and the Eurofighter, the modern Redforce time is officially cooked.

An official redforce campaign is quite lacking too... 

Anyway, pretty sure we gotta long wait ahead

 

The other thing we get from this video is that, Redforce is cooked.

 

The least they could do for the redforce is at the very least, PLEASE update those AI 3D models, It is so ugly seeing AI paint gimp Mig 23, Mig 25 and even the Su-30.

Edited January 17 by jojyrocks

[Rosie]

No A-7......no Skyraider.....feelsbadman.

[jojyrocks]

1 hour ago, ThePops said:

My favorite scene   That would be cool.

 

 

Most probably a new AI model than a full module.

[MAXsenna]

2 minutes ago, Rosie said:

No A-7......no Skyraider.....feelsbadman.

And a glimpse of the Tornado... Might even be the AI one... 

[Headwarp]

2 hours ago, DD_fruitbat said:

My god, so many whingers in here.

Really looking forward to the F-15C, both that and Fat Amy really were a surprise, didn't see either coming, especially the latter.

Yeah man.  I'm stoked.    This community has been begging for a full fidelity F-15C since they rolled out the red carpet for the A-10C and rebanded from Lock On to DCS World.  

Mig-29A and F-15C on the radar...  would love to see the Eurofighter.  

As far as the F-35.. as long as they make me feel like its real I'm golden.   I don't really want to encounter it when I engage in air quake, but I could easily enjoy flying the thing.   I'm maybe even a little hopeful that the success of this module paints a roadmap for more FF redfor aircraft down the road.    But just a little.      Not holding my breath or anything.      Imagine an FF flanker module?  Yeah I'd buy it. 

 

Edited January 17 by Headwarp

[MicroShket]

3 часа назад, Bikerguy302000 сказал:

Seems logical Captain. 

I'm guessing ED employees dont want to be "falling" out of hospital windows anytime soon. 

Well, that's why no Boeing modules either.

[jojyrocks]

1 hour ago, Headwarp said:

Yeah man.  I'm stoked.    This community has been begging for a full fidelity F-15C since they rolled out the red carpet for the A-10C and rebanded from Lock On to DCS World.  

Mig-29A and F-15C on the radar...  would love to see the Eurofighter.  

As far as the F-35.. as long as they make me feel like its real I'm golden.   I don't really want to encounter it when I engage in air quake, but I could easily enjoy flying the thing.   I'm maybe even a little hopeful that the success of this module paints a roadmap for more FF redfor aircraft down the road.    But just a little.      Not holding my breath or anything.      Imagine an FF flanker module?  Yeah I'd buy it. 

 

 

 

If SOME balance to redforce, at least some semblance of it is not possible. I would at least like to see UPDATED Ai 3d models of the current Ai inventory of planes like Mig 23 and Su-30, the current models look totally out of place, it looks like, gimp/paint models. Hope if not any modern redforce, maybe just maybe, some cold war era, more of it, like the Mig 27, Su-7 or 22 and well a rethinking on the Mig 23 which just was canned.

Edited January 17 by jojyrocks

[Dangerzone]

4 hours ago, BuzzU said:

The video sparked no emotion in me. ED can do better.

I didn't see anything wrong with the video. Good content, some nice new reveals, excellent graphics, etc - and the DCE teaser too is a very welcome inclusion. (I was wondering if they were going to have that, and how they could pull that off and still have the same type of 'beyond' video as in the past. I think they did well).

That said, I think I know where you're coming from though. Trailers, reveals, and announcements no longer spark the same excitement for me as they used to either. Even though there's some upcoming modules I will no doubt buy when released, I too no longer experience that 'kid at Christmas' enthusiasm when watching these that I did a few years ago.  I recognize for me though, that's not trailer or content creators fault. I’ve just simply adjusted my expectations. Still, I'm grateful for the video, and thought they did a terrify job.

But while new features are often impressive in trailers and teasers, my experience has been that many releases seem to arrive in a partially developed state (which of course is understandable for EA). But the lack of follow-up or clarity on further updates and the time that passes sometimes has left me in no mans land as to final expectations vs initial impressions. 

ie: Dynamic Spawns - which is a fantastic tool I use and appreciate. But its potential could have been so much more just with the simple ability to dynamically create FARPs in-game as new spawn points. (A cry that's been sounding for years, and something we were hoping for with the D.S - but was an opportunity missed and now we know nothing of what to expect future wise). 

Similarly, the CH-47 brought exciting new possibilities for mission designers like myself - like serving as a logistics hub. The trailer showed the Humvee for instance in the back which I was hoping to be able to drive out and use with combined arms, talk of a mllk cow, etc. Will this happen? If so - how many years will we need to wait? The FA-18, which is now out of early access after many years - still lacking the DTC functionality is something that comes into calculating probabilities for those answers, as it's more realistic to expect these new features will follow the same release path as previous features. That doesn't mean I'm not looking forward to them, but I know that there's a difference between what the teasers imply and what we'll get. 

This isn’t to downplay the incredible work ED has accomplished. The game has seen some fantastic improvements over the past year that deserves recognition. But rather, to ask you to question whether the lack of enthusiasm you're experience isn't is really related to the quality of the video , or whether your statement that "ED can do better" with a video may be misdirected towards the content creators and rather could be an unrealized change in your own mindset and expectation? 

Segwaying - I was grateful to see DCE featured so much in the video. I know I'm in good company knowing it's greatly needed and waiting and hoping. The visuals shown in the video looks incredibly engaging, with epic ground battles that make me think "I hope this is truly reflective of what we can expect with a DCE". I'm not sure what more they could have done.  But past experience have curbed my enthusiasm towards more of a 'that's nice', and 'will believe it when I see it' attitude. (Again, not that there's doubt it's coming, but more questions about how far away, plus what features the actual release and end product will really contain and what features will be 'remaining to be done' and how many years will pass between the initial release and full completion).

[Weta43]

6 hours ago, AJaromir said:

Same way the KA-50 was done. I guess. Honestly I hoped the KA-50 and SU-25T would be the only "not 100% accurate" modules in DCS

Ka-50 (2)

Ka-50 was done in cooperation with Kamov

[II.JG1_Vonrd]

41 minutes ago, jojyrocks said:

if not any modern redforce, maybe just maybe, some cold war era, more of it, like the Mig 27, Su-7 or 22 and well a rethinking on the Mig 23 which just was canned.

This! 

So, if the MiG-29 is doable, why not any of the earlier Redfor? The excuse that data is not available for them rings false to me (especially given the apparent availability of data for the MiG-29). There are examples of many Cold War Warsaw Pact aircraft throughout the Western hemisphere (and several airworthy examples). Saying that Russia won't allow their development makes no sense for a Swiss based company. Yes, DCS is originally Russian and many of the Devs are also Russian. Does this fact play into how DCS decides the balance of modules put into production? I don't claim to have any answers but I'm sorely disappointed at the apparent imbalance. Maybe it's just that they perceive the market for modern NATO aircraft more lucrative. But without an opposing force to use Western aircraft against, it's all just masturbation.  

[Skyhammer]

REDFOR is officially dead with the Typhoon on the horizon and F-35..damn even Bluefue even getting an FF F- 15C  :((

 

80s Flanker vs 2010+ Aircraft Really?!

 

Thanks ED!!!!!

Edited January 17 by Skyhammer

[Lixma 06]

6 hours ago, AJaromir said:

 Karl Marx and Lenin?

New California map.

[Weta43]

Saddened by the F-35, disappointed it's the F-15C not F-15A, happy the Draken is in there.

We really are moving to DCS being the SIM you start when you want to fly a US aircraft in a time warped lop sided turkey shoot.

But hey - my boy loved using that camaro with a bazooka in age of empires - to each their own...

[Flogger23m]

I really hope that we can get the updated F-15C & MIG-29A cockpit and external models for FC, even if through a paid FC2025/2026 upgrade. Likewise, if they can add the JHCMS to both versions. It would be nice if they were doing an earlier model and a current model with the new radar & JHMCS. Kind of like how the F-14 has the A & B models.

For the F-35, is this full fidelity? Kind of interesting that they can do one in that level of detail if so. I'd be okay with a lower fidelity version in a future FC upgrade as well. Still, questioning how they can accurately model this in full fidelity.

 

13 minutes ago, Weta43 said:

Saddened by the F-35, disappointed it's the F-15C not F-15A, happy the Draken is in there.

We really are moving to DCS being the SIM you start when you want to fly a US aircraft in a time warped lop sided turkey shoot.

But hey - my boy loved using that camaro with a bazooka in age of empires - to each their own...

 

They need to add some more & newer AI units. Rafales are quite popular in the middle east with Egypt, Qatar and the UAE using/buying them. Su-35S, SU-30SM2, MIG-29SMT & MIG-29K as well. Some more modern planes for NPCs/AI would be great. With all the maps being made in these regions it would make a lot of sense to add some more of these.

Edited January 17 by Flogger23m

[Weasel]

The F-35 is a big surprise I would not have expected. For me it looks like ED changed their mind to make new modules even they don‘t have the public data they originally requested. As the F-35 is planned to be released in 2026, work on this modul must have been started some time ago. My guess, ED got a new third party and I wouldn‘t be surprised if it‘s IndiaFoxtEcho, which released a great model of the F-35 for another big Flight Sim (but this only my guess). 

 

New explosion (and blast) effects looks great, as well as new night illumination. Seems Vulcan isn‘t that far away

 

All in all a great video and excellent work from all the staff involved, especially from GA The future of DCS looks bright and very promising. 
 

The new Germany map looks astonished and I am wondering who is making this map

 

Looking forward to a very comprehensive 2025 and beyond newsletter, maybe already today. I am also wondering what we can expect of further developement of DCS core and existing DCS modules as the F-16 (Sniper Pod, DTC ect) and my favourite modul F/A-18 as it reached end of early access last year. 

Edited January 17 by Weasel

[Boberro]

1 hour ago, Skyhammer said:

80s Flanker vs 2010+ Aircraft Really?!

It is not that such scenario is unrealistic. It is perfectly realistic.

 

Per modules I miss Su-25T or Su-17M4. I had hoped for some good full fidelity ground killer

[toni]

Given all this, I keep my faith in a full fidelity  F-18E/F Super Hornet module, by ED or a third part team.

Said that, think its time to start implementing ECM, Jamming  with accurate platforms, Early Warning aircraft modules and ,........ASW !

[Aja]

8 hours ago, gunterlund said:

I think having Nick on there would have started a riot... Just sayin'.

Is there some drama I have missed?

[AJaromir]

19 minutes ago, Weasel said:

The F-35 is a big surprise I would not have expected. For me it looks like ED changed their mind to make new modules even they don‘t have the public data they originally requested. As the F-35 is planned to be released in 2026, work on this modul must have been started some time ago. My guess, ED got a new third party and I wouldn‘t be surprised if it‘s IndiaFoxtEcho, which released a great model of the F-35 for another big Flight Sim (but this only my guess). 

 

New explosion (and blast) effects looks great, as well as new night illumination. Seems Vulcan isn‘t that far away

 

All in all a great video and excellent work from all the staff involved, especially from GA The future of DCS looks bright and very promising. 
 

The new Germany map looks astonished and I am wondering who is making this map

 

Looking forward to a very comprehensive 2025 and beyond newsletter, maybe already today. I am also wondering what we can expect of further developement of DCS core and existing DCS modules as the F-16 (Sniper Pod, DTC ect) and my favourite modul F/A-18 as it reached end of early access last year. 

This undermines my trust in quality of realism hence why I play DCS:W. I am very sceptical. Time will show.

[TheFreshPrince]

Growling Sidewinder Server is gonna be fun in 2026/2027 with F15, F16, F18, F35 and Eurofighter vs. MIG29A, F14, F4, JF17 and the FC3 Planes.