The unofficial "2025 and Beyond" video hype / speculation & discussion thread

[Snappy]

Given EDs huge developement backlog and the amount of stuff that was supposed to be out by now according to ED themselves (Vulkan 2024 anyone? GFM to come  in  2022..etc etc  ) I dont care much anymore for what they tease. I would go for more delivering and less teasing /hyping.  And seriously prefer Nick Grey not doing the "passion and support" talk bit again .It is a bit tone-deaf and ill fitting by now.

Edited December 3, 2024 by Snappy

[Bikerguy302000]

On 12/3/2024 at 3:30 AM, Sr. said:

Vulkan

 

'nuff said

Why not have all 3 V bombers and worry about the API next year 

[Qcumber]

9 hours ago, Bikerguy302000 said:

Why not have all 3 V bombers and worry about the API next year 

I'd love to see Growling Sidewinder do a dogfight between a Vulcan and a Mig 23! 

[OldFlyer]

On 12/3/2024 at 11:38 PM, Snappy said:

And seriously prefer Nick Grey not doing the "passion and support" talk bit again .It is a bit tone-deaf and ill fitting by now.

 

Agreed.

[falcon_120]

I'd love to see Growling Sidewinder do a dogfight between a Vulcan and a Mig 23! 

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[Crash *]

First of all: support and passion are an absolute must. That's what DCS is all about. That must not be forgotten. So Mr. Grey, don't leave it out.

It's more of a wish list than a real guess as to what will come, but here are my top points:

DCS: Needs to be more alive! I want personnel at the airfield, FOB or FARP without having to pre-position every personal like in a Diaorama.

I want smarter troops. AI is needed now. The troops should look for cover on their own. JTACs should search for targets on their own. Soldiers should leave burning vehicles. There should be soldiers who give medical help or reload artillery. A mortar firing without infantry just looks stupid.

As a helicopter pilot, I want to transport my troops, bring urgent medical aid, provide fire support and bring supplies. The current troops that behave like wooden dolls and can be shot over like zombies should be a thing of the past by 2025.
 
More old modules should be remastered. I think it's great when beloved modules are given a thorough overhaul. Please keep it up.

Besides, Vulkan will probably...have to come.

[Lace]

I've been thinking more about which major releases are still un-hinted and un represented in DCS.  There aren't many left really, especially modern US fighters (lets face it, they make up the bulk of the sales and are the most popular releases).  The Carrier air wing is pretty much complete (A-6 and USN F-4 already in the pipeline).  The most prolific aircraft of of the last 40 years are already here (F-16, 15C, 15E, A-10, F-5, with A-7, Tornado, Typhoon, on the way.  There have been numerous Vietnam-era aircraft announced, and we are all familiar with the problem of modern Russian aircraft, but nevertheless the MiG-29A is incoming.  Rotary wing still has plenty of mileage, with the various Blackhawk variants, Cobra, Seaking, and plenty of others.  Regarding logistics, the C-130 is in development, might we see a C-17 from ED, the current lack of an updated AI model (which wouldn't look out of place in FS2004) could mean it is part of of bigger project in the background and will come with the full module?

The big names most notable by their complete absence are the F-111, the Rafale and Gripen, lacking even AI models.  The F-111 could be even more important if we lose the F-15E, which currently is the only true all-weather attack aircraft in the whole game (at least until the Tornado arrives).

There are loads of core upgrades we could list, but the big reveal has always been a new airframe, and almost always (only the F-4 AFAIK) direct from ED rather than a 3rd party.

So lets see some more unfounded wild speculation please. 

[toni]

would kill for a Super Hornet module early stage development

[Silver_Dragon]

1 hour ago, toni said:

would kill for a Super Hornet module early stage development

A block 0/1 has only a waste of resources (a aircraft with the same capability with a F/A-18C), the Block 2/3 has heavy clasiffed actualy (by the SuperHornet post).

[Tomas9970]

1 hour ago, toni said:

would kill for a Super Hornet module early stage development

Honestly, I wouldn't be much of a fan of an early Super Hornet as it would be way too close to the F/A-18C that we have (other than having a different body and 6 pylons) and a later model would require an AESA radar, which is clearly a massive feat to implement.

 

I know that we are running out of the "teens" jets and similar with most either being done or being too modern but maybe there's a chance of a Gripen? Unlike Rafale, this one at least had a mechanical radar. Though it still isn't declassified in the slightest.

[Silver_Dragon]

On 11/29/2024 at 6:09 AM, sirrah said:

My vote (hope) goes to a "Dynamic Campaign" release teaser

The Dynamic Campaign newsletter has arround the corner.

On 12/3/2024 at 6:38 PM, Mainstay said:

My wishlist :

ED MiG-23MLD, MiG-29A & C, Ka52, Su-24, Su-17M4

HB A-6E, B-1B 

Aerges Sepecat Jaguar

 

Tech :

Vulkan 

Dynamic Campaign 

Vietnam map 

All old models updated (Su25T, ground units, ai units et cetera) 

ED Mig-29A has show on the last year video, Su-17M4 has "on progress" by a 3rd party but has very early. Su-24 and Ka-52 has a "not go" by actual political situation, next ED red module I think has a Su-27P, a UH-60 and my dream has a WW2 light bomber, but remember Nick Grey worlds about make Battle of Britain modules (Bf-109E?). HB A-6E has on progress but not sure if has very early to show a cockpit on 2025 video (EFA?). B-1B has many clasified, If someone build a bomber will be a WW2 bomber (lancaster team turning to 3rd party?) or a early cold war model.

Aerges has a Spanish 3rd party centred on Spanish Air Force aircrafts with the F-104 on progress, I think your next project will be a Mirage IIIEE. About others, many 3rd parties has your modules on full throttle and dont expect suprises, only if a new 3rd party appears with a new module.... some plausible will be a AH-1 cobra, some new transports and new early/mid cold war aircrats or a new WW2 3rd party centred on Axis / Allied WW2 aircrats.

About ED on Tech... Vulkan, rounded earth and DC has very early to show something. I think the next ED map will be a WW2. Su-25 plans was talked by Chizh but not confirmed (I think, the next module update has the UH-1). Ground module actualy has only a dream (require many construction blocks early), surely will see new AI units on the next video. Infantry units... was show on the CH-47 video, I expect see more on 2025. More weather effects, some interesting features (land bases control towers, ready room and ground crew on bases, ATC improves). More artillery options, cargo options to helos and aircrafts, real land and air convoys as a logistic improvente, the towing ability (no release yet) and napalm fire efects.

I start to think, the 2025 video will appears more C-130, Tornado IDS, Mig 29A, A-1H, F-100D, F-104, G.91, Bo-105 and more A-6E IA, La-7, Corsair and Hellcat with pacific assets to WW2, About maps North Australia, Germany (ED or Ugra?), Pacific WW2, "Baltic" by Orbx and a teaser by ED of Channel expansion to Bob.

1 hour ago, toni said:

would kill for a Super Hornet module early stage development

A Actual Block 0/1 has a waste of resources by a limited aircraft with the same capability with a F/A-18C lot 20 (Check the Super Hornet post). Block 2/3 has clasified.

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

My wish, aside from very obvious things such as Vulkan, AI A-6E, Early F-14A and Iranian F-14A, is fixes for longstanding helicopter issues such as the excessive sideslip, and lack of friction for skids... 

[Beirut]

10 hours ago, Lace said:

I've been thinking more about which major releases are still un-hinted and un represented in DCS.  There aren't many left really, especially modern US fighters (lets face it, they make up the bulk of the sales and are the most popular releases). 

So lets see some more unfounded wild speculation please. 

 

 

If they want to make people go full freak and throw money at ED - announce an F-105 and have it flying over a "jungle" map.

 

That'll get the juices a flowing'. 

[d0ppler]

I want a Huey redux, or just simply a Huey v 2.0. I'll gladly pay for it.

[waterman]

Fix the Trains Please or ...

1. Super Carrier needs Stronger arresting cables now MT Trains can Fly 

2. Fit landing hooks to Trains 

3. New Super Carrier Deck crew need Heavy container supply drop safety training - Stennis Deck Crew had a stop work meeting and have now abandoned ship. 

Edited December 16, 2024 by waterman

[Convoy]

F-14B(U) 

WW2 map from Britain to Poland. 

F-16AM and BM

B-1B

B-17

P-38

[Beirut]

1 hour ago, Convoy said:

B-1B

 

Yes please! 

[richskinns]

On 12/15/2024 at 8:54 PM, Lace said:

I've been thinking more about which major releases are still un-hinted and un represented in DCS.  There aren't many left really, especially modern US fighters (lets face it, they make up the bulk of the sales and are the most popular releases).  The Carrier air wing is pretty much complete (A-6 and USN F-4 already in the pipeline).  The most prolific aircraft of of the last 40 years are already here (F-16, 15C, 15E, A-10, F-5, with A-7, Tornado, Typhoon, on the way.  There have been numerous Vietnam-era aircraft announced, and we are all familiar with the problem of modern Russian aircraft, but nevertheless the MiG-29A is incoming.  Rotary wing still has plenty of mileage, with the various Blackhawk variants, Cobra, Seaking, and plenty of others.  Regarding logistics, the C-130 is in development, might we see a C-17 from ED, the current lack of an updated AI model (which wouldn't look out of place in FS2004) could mean it is part of of bigger project in the background and will come with the full module?

The big names most notable by their complete absence are the F-111, the Rafale and Gripen, lacking even AI models.  The F-111 could be even more important if we lose the F-15E, which currently is the only true all-weather attack aircraft in the whole game (at least until the Tornado arrives).

There are loads of core upgrades we could list, but the big reveal has always been a new airframe, and almost always (only the F-4 AFAIK) direct from ED rather than a 3rd party.

So lets see some more unfounded wild speculation please. 

F-111 now you are talking.  

[Mike_CK]

As for modules, I’d love some earlier WW2 aircraft like a P-40, Hurricane, BF-109E, etc. 1942 Africa kind of stuff. Also, despite the whining about $10 for a graphically updated F-5,  I would pay twice that for a graphically updated Mig-21, UH-1, F-86, Mig-19, Mig-15 or Viggen. Each 

I would also like to see game improvements

1. Campaign: ‘nuff said. (I’ll pay for it as an expansion too)

2. PLEASE can we get an AI A-6 intruder like you said we were getting like 2-3 years ago? Maybe an AI A-7? We need more than F-18s and F-14s on these Carrier missions and I don’t understand why we still don’t have them.

3. blast/shrapnel effects on troops/soft targets from bombs. I’d love to actually be able to use air burst fuses over FARPS, infantry, etc. Also some improved eye candy with the explosions and damage effects on buildings would be welcome. Ground ordinance explosions are dated.

 

[Convoy]

13 minutes ago, Mike_CK said:

2. PLEASE can we get an AI A-6 intruder like you said we were getting like 2-3 years ago? Maybe an AI A-7? We need more than F-18s and F-14s on these Carrier missions and I don’t understand why we still don’t have them.

The computer that had the AI A-6 data on it got lost in the Ukraine war. They had to start from scratch. It is coming. 

Edited December 19, 2024 by Convoy

[Qcumber]

29 minutes ago, Mike_CK said:

As for modules, I’d love some earlier WW2 aircraft like a P-40, Hurricane, BF-109E, etc. 1942 Africa kind of stuff. 

Yes please!

[BuzzU]

I have a short list but a hard one for ED.

 

Super Hornet

Dynamic Campaign

P-38

[Mike_CK]

22 hours ago, Convoy said:

The computer that had the AI A-6 data on it got lost in the Ukraine war. They had to start from scratch. It is coming. 

I suppose that’s an acceptable excuse. lol 

[Gambit21]

AH-1 Whiskey

Zero 

 

 

[Stackup]

On 12/19/2024 at 12:22 AM, Convoy said:

The computer that had the AI A-6 data on it got lost in the Ukraine war. They had to start from scratch. It is coming. 

That's not quite true.  From what I heard all they lost was the suspension model which has since been redone.  They did not have to start from scratch on the entire aircraft and supposedly it is close enough that they said in September that it was coming in "one of the next updates".  Of course this would also be the third year in a row that Heatblur has made essentially the same "coming this year" comment in regards to the AI A-6 and the early F-14A so who can really say given that track record.  AI Draken perhaps?  Oh wait.

 

Anyways, the new stuff I want to see is the F-100, Skyraider, and MiG-17.  More A-6 and A-7 footage is also welcome as is more Pacific Theatre stuff.