CallsignPunch Posted January 17 Posted January 17 (edited) Given the explanation of how they are saying they are going to do the F-35, ED sure can't say they couldn't do an early block super hornet anymore. Pretty sure the legacy hornet is the best seller they have.....ED can you imagine the sales on a Block II or III E and F model pack? Make it happen for 2026 and beyond! Edited January 17 by CallsignPunch 3 1 i9-9900k, Asus ROG Strix Z390-3, 32GB DDR4-3000, MSI GeForce RTX 2080 Ti, 2TB Samsung 860 Evo SSD| Reverb G2| Custom Simpit- A variety of grips (TM/Virpil) on floor mounted TM Base, WinWing Super Tauris Throttles, Virpil Collective, TM Pedals, TM MFDs Paid Module Wishlist: AH-64A, T-38, B-1B, U-2, MH-60 Pavehawk, A-10A Map Wishlist: NAS Oceana (w/Norfolk and Expansive Ocean), Korea (Modern), Cuba, Columbia Ai Wishlist: Ships, SOF infantry, SOF Vehicles, AH/MH-6, P8,
Flogger23m Posted January 17 Posted January 17 1 hour ago, CallsignPunch said: Given the explanation of how they are saying they are going to do the F-35, ED sure can't say they couldn't do an early block super hornet anymore. Pretty sure the legacy hornet is the best seller they have.....ED can you imagine the sales on a Block II or III E and F model pack? Make it happen for 2026 and beyond! What reason is that? Is it a lower fidelity level? If so I would welcome it, but kind of doubt they can do one to full fidelity with the same realism as some of the other planes. I would also pay for an FC 2025/26 update if we could get the lower fidelity MIG-29A & F-15C updated with the new cockpit and external models/textures and some other quality of life updates, maybe something like the JHCMS as well. I have to assume we'll also see an Su-27S in full fidelity some day, seeing that the work on the flight models is largely already done and that it has some technology similarities with the MIG-29.
Tank50us Posted January 17 Posted January 17 People act like data is the only thing in play. It's not just the data, it's the permission from the OEM to do the module based on the IP. Boeing for example would likely be fine with the Super Hornet in DCS, and would likely supply the data needed to make a fullfid module. The problem is that the Super Hornet doesn't really offer that much over the existing Hornet. But where Boeing may be alright with the Super Hornet, can you guarantee that Dassault or the French Military will be on board? We already know the Russians and Chinese are against any portrayal of their military hardware that doesn't support the claim it's better than anything from the West. They even have laws that will put people in prison if their kit isn't portrayed in ways they claim. This applies to anything they've built, including the T-34. A tank from WW2! 2
Harley Posted February 20 Posted February 20 On 1/16/2025 at 7:48 PM, CallsignPunch said: Given the explanation of how they are saying they are going to do the F-35, ED sure can't say they couldn't do an early block super hornet anymore. Pretty sure the legacy hornet is the best seller they have.....ED can you imagine the sales on a Block II or III E and F model pack? Make it happen for 2026 and beyond! If the legacy is such a.good seller, it seems that it would be counter productive to offer the superior version, expecting sales to continue for the C model. Unless it were an expansion that required the legacy hornet. *BAM* Make it an expansion to the C model. I'd buy it. I already have the C. I want the extra pylons.
MiG21bisFishbedL Posted February 22 Posted February 22 On 2/20/2025 at 4:09 PM, Harley said: If the legacy is such a.good seller, it seems that it would be counter productive to offer the superior version, expecting sales to continue for the C model. Unless it were an expansion that required the legacy hornet. *BAM* Make it an expansion to the C model. I'd buy it. I already have the C. I want the extra pylons. I get your point, but consider this: There's almost no commonality between legacy and Super Hornets. This could come off as really anti-consumer. Including it with the regular Hornet as HB has done with the Tomcat and Phantom or Aeges with the F.1? Well, that's a LOT of work to give away. And they wanted $10 for the F-5E and A-10C updates. I would expect it to be treated as a new project as that'd feel more fair to consumer and developer, here. 2 Reformers hate him! This one weird trick found by a bush pilot will make gunfighter obsessed old farts angry at your multi-role carrier deck line up!
upyr1 Posted February 23 Posted February 23 20 hours ago, MiG21bisFishbedL said: I get your point, but consider this: There's almost no commonality between legacy and Super Hornets. This could come off as really anti-consumer. Including it with the regular Hornet as HB has done with the Tomcat and Phantom or Aeges with the F.1? Well, that's a LOT of work to give away. And they wanted $10 for the F-5E and A-10C updates. I would expect it to be treated as a new project as that'd feel more fair to consumer and developer, here. Listening to the fighter pilot podcast with Vincent "Jello" Aiello who flew both, I had the impression that the biggest difference between an early model Super Hornet and a late model Legacy Hornet would be the flight model. I don't know how much work it takes to develop a new flight model but as you brought up HB I might point out that it looks like they might be planning at least 2 Phantom modules the E and probably the J. In both case you'll have a similar two similar planes with slightly different cockpits, avionics, and flight modules. Anyway as I have said in the ED or any other developer thinks two aircraft that are supposed to be variants of each other are too different to be in the same module, then they should at least offer a bundle pack. 1
Ramius007 Posted February 23 Posted February 23 We are talking about a bit better systems for even more speed loss, and Hornet C wasnt fast already, so I doubt it would be fun plane to fly, another issues is ttat red most modern assets currently are from 80's, if we not include few ships from Chinese Asset Pack 1
MiG21bisFishbedL Posted February 23 Posted February 23 1 hour ago, upyr1 said: Listening to the fighter pilot podcast with Vincent "Jello" Aiello who flew both, I had the impression that the biggest difference between an early model Super Hornet and a late model Legacy Hornet would be the flight model. I don't know how much work it takes to develop a new flight model but as you brought up HB I might point out that it looks like they might be planning at least 2 Phantom modules the E and probably the J. In both case you'll have a similar two similar planes with slightly different cockpits, avionics, and flight modules. Anyway as I have said in the ED or any other developer thinks two aircraft that are supposed to be variants of each other are too different to be in the same module, then they should at least offer a bundle pack. I'm not sure how applicable that is the Hornet/Super Hornet considering the Super Hornet is an entirely different aircraft. I'd imagine you'd be making an new module from the ground up. 2 Reformers hate him! This one weird trick found by a bush pilot will make gunfighter obsessed old farts angry at your multi-role carrier deck line up!
Dragon1-1 Posted February 23 Posted February 23 1 hour ago, MiG21bisFishbedL said: I'm not sure how applicable that is the Hornet/Super Hornet considering the Super Hornet is an entirely different aircraft. I'd imagine you'd be making an new module from the ground up. Our Legacy Hornet's avionics are almost identical to those that went into early block Superbugs. In fact, they're probably more fitting the Super Hornet than with the Legacy, which, if we were to have a "representative" version, would have the Nite Hawk TGP and monochromatic MFDs. On 1/17/2025 at 8:08 AM, Tank50us said: But where Boeing may be alright with the Super Hornet, can you guarantee that Dassault or the French Military will be on board? I don't know about AdA (in fact, they seemed happy to help with the Mirage), but Dassault has a reputation for being notoriously difficult to work with. They took down, amidst much drama, a Rafale mod for one of the older civilian sims.
MiG21bisFishbedL Posted February 24 Posted February 24 11 hours ago, Dragon1-1 said: Our Legacy Hornet's avionics are almost identical to those that went into early block Superbugs. In fact, they're probably more fitting the Super Hornet than with the Legacy, which, if we were to have a "representative" version, would have the Nite Hawk TGP and monochromatic MFDs. I don't know about AdA (in fact, they seemed happy to help with the Mirage), but Dassault has a reputation for being notoriously difficult to work with. They took down, amidst much drama, a Rafale mod for one of the older civilian sims. That's right, the first pair of Superbugs came with Lot 20, didn't it? Reformers hate him! This one weird trick found by a bush pilot will make gunfighter obsessed old farts angry at your multi-role carrier deck line up!
Dragon1-1 Posted February 24 Posted February 24 Yeah, I think they had the touchscreen UFC, but that was it. 90% avionics commonality. While structurally and aerodynamically, it is a new aircraft, the cockpit and avionics changes were relatively minor, at least at first. That's not a bad thing. IMO, a Block I Superbug would have a lot of appeal, especially since it'd not require a lot of retraining from the Legacy, at least when it comes to avionics.
upyr1 Posted February 24 Posted February 24 8 hours ago, MiG21bisFishbedL said: That's right, the first pair of Superbugs came with Lot 20, didn't it? I believe so, they were both produced together from 1995 to 2000. McDonnell-Douglas tried to maintain as much commonality between the two planes as possible. The Superbug's range requirement resulted in them having different airframes the cockpit and avionics were almost identical.
F-2 Posted February 24 Posted February 24 The forward fusalage on the block I is a legacy hornet forward fusalage. From block II it’s different to accommodate APG-79.
upyr1 Posted February 24 Posted February 24 (edited) 12 minutes ago, F-2 said: The forward fusalage on the block I is a legacy hornet forward fusalage. From block II it’s different to accommodate APG-79. If I had my dream F/A-18 module we'd get a block 1 Super bug since it I believe avionics wise it would be identical to what we have. Then the most high tech Hornet we could get and possibly the F Then a storm bird C, and maybe an A. I don't think all that is likely to happen so at least the C lot 20 we have, a block 1 super bug and a more advanced version. As I'm thinking the block 1 super bug would basically be our current Hornet with a different flight model Edited February 24 by upyr1
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted March 3 ED Team Posted March 3 As mentioned by Wags we want to complete the legacy hornet before we consider the super hornet. Keep your fingers crossed for the future. 1 Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, PIMAX Crystal
MiG21bisFishbedL Posted March 3 Posted March 3 So, now the question should be which mark of Super Hornet would provide the most distinct experience. I'd want to see something more than a Lot 20 Super Hornet that's just our existing Bug with new hardware behind the pilot. Reformers hate him! This one weird trick found by a bush pilot will make gunfighter obsessed old farts angry at your multi-role carrier deck line up!
WRCRob Posted March 4 Posted March 4 For a distinct experience it would have to be an F/G dual seat model and at least Block 2(ish) software and capabilities to be any different than the current C Lot 20. I would be happy with a legacy D model or a lot 20 F since I like the multicrew aspects of flying. however the real changes as has been stated didn't really start happening till block 2/3 on the supers and that's going to be difficult to model. 2
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