DCS: Cold War Germany - preview

[C2705]

There‘s so much detail, wow. My PC will suffer

[MiGCap1]

This map is so unbelievable cool !!!        

[skywalker22]

Indeed it's coming along great. This is gonna be one of the best maps in DCS, no doubt about it. There is just one thing which kind of bothers me, is the texture... 

I would only work on that brown ground texture (which mostly appears around man-made structures), which really doesn't go well in combination with the green. Example:

It seems way to off with one being summer/dry soil while the other is spring/wet grass. I would replace brown with something less green, like summer green grass. Now the difference is way too big, looks odd, and really doesn't coincide with reality (at least not in 90%). Besides it even doesn't present the dry grass, but rather a dry soil, which is even worse, right?

Also the ground normal-map textures could be better as well, they seem way low poly, way too edgy, not in normal shapes. But that wouldn't be that noticeable if there would be less difference between green and brown texture.

Try replacing brown texture with something more gray-ish, more like summer grass texture, that it would look something like:

 

Dry base grass textures should be something like this:

[Swiso]

@MAESTR0 One question ( sorry if already mentioned..)

Are all the buildings and structures destructible or not ?

 

Thanks for all the previews ! 

[MAESTR0]

Thank you for your support. We are glad to see that you like the map and this gives us even more desire to improve it. It is very nice when you remember the places where you served or walked as a child. The map is very large and we want to recreate everything, but we have to think about resources and your SSD/HDD. And like any of our maps, it does not stand still and is constantly evolving: it will be improved and refined, including according to user requests.

Today we will answer some questions and tell you a little about what we added:
@Swiso Yes, most of the buildings are destructible. Many with detailed damage models. The rule with original objects is the same - we don't bomb them

@KarlRadek thanks for the information about the quarries. I want to say that this place is already under reconstruction: water is pumped out of the lakes and instead of them there will be quarries, like at that time.

There were many requests from you about air defense locations. We had them, but at your requests we increased the number of these places and now they will not only be near large bases. Thanks to everyone who sent in SAM info

@Rick Mave   Ersatzpisten - they are located mostly south of phase 1, in phase 3 territory, but we can already say - don't worry, you'll be able to land on the road.

@C525 today the shelters in Büchel look like this:

[Harry.R]

Fantastic progress Maestro, I'm really excited for this map as the cold war was very much still on when I was growing up . How's Gutersloh looking?

Edited April 7 by Harry.R

[Swiso]

Thanks !! 

[Northstar98]

15 hours ago, MAESTR0 said:

There were many requests from you about air defense locations. We had them, but at your requests we increased the number of these places and now they will not only be near large bases. Thanks to everyone who sent in SAM info

With these, will they be in their real-life positions & configurations? Are there sites appropriate to HAWK, S-75/SA-2, S-125/SA-3 and S-200/SA-5?

Will it also include EWR sites and, if so, where there are radomes can the radome be removed, leaving a structure (be it a tower, pedestal, building etc) with a flat top, so we can place functional radars?

And finally, can we see an example? 

See the spoiler for one from the Sinai map, showing an almost 1:1 recreation of a real Egyptian SA-2 site. If we can have something akin to this (obviously appropriate to the sites in Germany), then that would be perfect (and Ugra already have a perfectly adequate SA-2 launcher revetment on Syria, it only needs a retexture and it would be good to go as-is on Germany):

Spoiler

For me, the presence of real-life air defence sites, in their real-life positions (even if we have generic HAWK, SA-2 and SA-3 etc sites, placed where they really are/historically were) is very important to me - the closer I can get to recreating the real-life air defence order of battle, the better.

If Ugra does this, then I'll be absolutely sold.

Edited April 8 by Northstar98
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[Rick Mave]

2 hours ago, MAESTR0 said:

@Rick Mave   Ersatzpisten - they are located mostly south of phase 1, in phase 3 territory, but we can already say - don't worry, you'll be able to land on the road.

 

Wonderful news!

[pjbunnyru]

guys, I'm little shocked by number of videos of  map, in diferent areas, at LOW altitud, and also with car rides!!!

i'll buy map on pre-order.

u showed HOW to advertis new map, and we, buyers, see how map looks in REALITI. yes, not everything is shown, but - bravo!!!!

[Slippa]

On 3/26/2025 at 5:35 PM, MAESTR0 said:

@draconus yes, flags react to the wind, so you will always know its direction 

Hallelujah! Finally a sensible windsock, in a flight simulator, imagine that. Congratulations and thank you .

I’ve only seen a couple of posts mentioning a 1940s version of Germany or any thought about it. When I heard we were finally getting Germany I assumed it would be in line with N2 and I’d be escorting or flying B-17s or Lancs over there. I had hoped maybe ED might surprise us with some props to go along with it. A Heinkel here, a 110 there, flyable B-17, who knows?  But no.  I’ll have to wait for these, probably forever. Cold War it is then, with all that dodgy music? Bust out some Blondie . 1999 will get a spin or two though .

There were hints recently that we (that wanna fly props) might fly missions in the dark over Germany, hopefully in the Lanc but in every other prop as well. That there might be a time-toggle or something like a blackout to take us from the Cold War era and roll us back to the 40s, almost? There was even mention of a WWII version of the map, (paid for o course), in the blood, sweat and tears of the Ugra team maybe but I’d gladly pay for a 40s Germany version myself. Any thought given on the subject?

- Who’s volunteering to make the German Assets Pack then? I’m gonna need a Splitty Microbus in RAF livery .

[MiGCap1]

The Cold War Germany Map will be immediately after publishing the top map in DCS, I think.

A WW2 version later would also be great, but it has not necessarily be on the same size. I would buy with pleasure.

[MAESTR0]

19 часов назад, Northstar98 сказал:

With these, will they be in their real-life positions & configurations? ...

Yes, our sources match those posted on the forum, thanks again for the help. We were guided by these sources. Several types of SAM sites were made - they differ in size.
In addition to them, some airbases have unique elevations for installing radars - these objects are merged with the terrain and were placed according to photos or airfield schemes. Yes, they are empty and will allow you to install your equipment.
Look at the screenshots: SAMs, radars are installed in the mission editor - you can install your in these places.

[flanker1]

vor 4 Minuten schrieb MAESTR0:

Yes, our sources match those posted on the forum, thanks again for the help. We were guided by these sources. Several types of SAM sites were made - they differ in size.
In addition to them, some airbases have unique elevations for installing radars - these objects are merged with the terrain and were placed according to photos or airfield schemes. Yes, they are empty and will allow you to install your equipment.
Look at the screenshots: SAMs, radars are installed in the mission editor - you can install your in these places.

WOW, thanks for the insights @MAESTR0 - this is simply amazing and exceeds my expectations!!!! Very well done and promising. The first picture, shows it the Sam Site related to Damgarten Airfield/Baltic Sea?

[Northstar98]

18 minutes ago, MAESTR0 said:

Yes, our sources match those posted on the forum, thanks again for the help. We were guided by these sources. Several types of SAM sites were made - they differ in size.
In addition to them, some airbases have unique elevations for installing radars - these objects are merged with the terrain and were placed according to photos or airfield schemes. Yes, they are empty and will allow you to install your equipment.
Look at the screenshots: SAMs, radars are installed in the mission editor - you can install your in these places.

I couldn't be happier, outstanding stuff!

EDIT: Only thing I'll mention, though I'm very happy with it as-is, is I don't think any SA-5 site in Germany had 3 launch battalions, only 2. However, the configuration of the launch battalions and the revetments looks pretty much spot-on for what I'd expect.

Edited April 8 by Northstar98

[Northstar98]

1 minute ago, flanker1 said:

The first picture, shows it the Sam Site related to Damgarten Airfield/Baltic Sea?

There are 2 SA-3 sites in the vicinity of Damgarten, one is further to the north-west near Saal and the other is located practically on the grounds of the airbase.

If it is one of the Damgarten sites, it's a closer match for the former (and if so, it's perfect for our needs):

There's an EWR site (a) immediately to the south-east, which almost certainly would've hosted smaller truck or trailer mounted radars (such as the P-12M/18, P-37 etc).

There are several SA-3 sites on the northern coast though, though the Damgarten-Saal site is the closest fit for the configuration seen.

[Slippa]

Wondering if areas around the Möhne, Eder and Sorpe dams will be modelled and if so would they have extensive damage models? Pretty, pretty please, asking for a friend, thank you .

Edited April 8 by Slippa
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[flanker1]

vor 37 Minuten schrieb Northstar98:

There are 2 SA-3 sites in the vicinity of Damgarten, one is further to the north-west near Saal and the other is located practically on the grounds of the airbase.

If it is one of the Damgarten sites, it's a closer match for the former (and if so, it's perfect for our needs):

There's an EWR site (a) immediately to the south-east, which almost certainly would've hosted smaller truck or trailer mounted radars (such as the P-12M/18, P-37 etc).

There are several SA-3 sites on the northern coast though, though the Damgarten-Saal site is the closest fit for the configuration seen.

Yes, this is the typical SA2/3 SAM site layout scheme. .  .and actually pretty well done. Hopefully we will also get all the equipment we need to create realistic scenarios, PRW-13/16/17 or P-14, P-15, P-18, P-37 and all the associated hardware for operation. The same applies to early detection 1L13. I also hope that at Damgarten (my favorite Soviet air force base) we will have the opportunity to recreate the exceptionally in-house radar and SAM site in the southern area of the airfield.     

Edited April 8 by flanker1

[Northstar98]

Actually I take that back - it obviously isn't the site at Saal as the Fischland Peninsula should be visible and it isn't in the screenshot.

The layout however is accurate to the Saal site, though it would also work for the Dranske and Insel Poel sites.

In terms of position though, the next closest matches is probably FRA-4332/436 at Neinhagen (currently a residential area)

Just for reference, the other S-125 sites on the coast of the DDR are:

• FRA-4331 Barhöft/Stralsund
• FRA-4333 Bastorf
• FRA-4334 Insel Poel/Kirchdorf
• FRA-4335 Dranske/Rugen

source

30 minutes ago, flanker1 said:

Yes, this is the typical SA2/3 scheme

Typical for SA-3, SA-2 sites are almost universally circular, with 6 launcher revetments. It is basically bang-on for SA-3.

Edited April 8 by Northstar98

[skywalker22]

1 hour ago, Northstar98 said:

There are 2 SA-3 sites in the vicinity of Damgarten, one is further to the north-west near Saal and the other is located practically on the grounds of the airbase.

If it is one of the Damgarten sites, it's a closer match for the former (and if so, it's perfect for our needs):

There's an EWR site (a) immediately to the south-east, which almost certainly would've hosted smaller truck or trailer mounted radars (such as the P-12M/18, P-37 etc).

There are several SA-3 sites on the northern coast though, though the Damgarten-Saal site is the closest fit for the configuration seen.

Found the location on google maps 

[flanker1]

vor 42 Minuten schrieb Northstar98:

Actually I take that back - it obviously isn't the site at Saal as the Fischland peninsula should be visible, meaning it's one of the other sites on the coast (possibly Neinhagen, as the other sites on the coast have a different layout, the what's shown above could easily be reused for the Saal site - the layout more closely matches it).

Typical for SA-3, SA-2 sites are almost universally circular, with 6 launcher revetments. It is basically bang-on for SA-3.

The Sa-3 location was always with 4 revetments/firing positions, if I remember correctly. @MAESTR0 The only point I would improve is the paved paths. Sand paths are more realistic, many of the positions/sites were not very well developed and the surfaces were not particularly paved - or they were often provided with the typical PAG-14 plates (they were also very common on airfields and actually every military installation, I actually miss them on many Soviet / Warsaw Pact airfields and the taxiways and fortified positions - so far I have only ever seen the same design of the ground textures at airbases in the screenshots you provided.) Perhaps this can still be changed, it would be much more realistic and appropriate to the time.

Edited April 8 by flanker1

[RVT2403]

1 hour ago, Northstar98 said:

I couldn't be happier, outstanding stuff!

EDIT: Only thing I'll mention, though I'm very happy with it as-is, is I don't think any SA-5 site in Germany had 3 launch battalions, only 2. However, the configuration of the launch battalions and the revetments looks pretty much spot-on for what I'd expect.

Soviet 163rd Anti-Air Brigade had two SA-5 battalions with six launchers each (late 80s). Peace time location should be Möckern-Wendgräben. As far as i know, the 1982/83 planned replacement of further battalions was not finished until 1989. So this should the the only SA-5 within the GFSG?
Rest of the Soviet 157th and 164rd Anti-Air Brigade should still be SA-3 with four launchers each per airfield.

[flanker1]

vor 10 Minuten schrieb RVT2403:

Soviet 163rd Anti-Air Brigade had two SA-5 battalions with six launchers each (late 80s). Peace time location should be Möckern-Wendgräben. As far as i know, the 1982/83 planned replacement of further battalions was not finished until 1989. So this should the the only SA-5 within the GFSG?
Rest of the Soviet 157th and 164rd Anti-Air Brigade should still be SA-3 with four launchers each per airfield.

Here are all interesting facts about the assignment with the SAM systems of the time in the former GDR, very detailed. neva; sa2 wolchow s75; sa5 wega s200

[Northstar98]

8 minutes ago, RVT2403 said:

Soviet 163rd Anti-Air Brigade had two SA-5 battalions with six launchers each (late 80s). Peace time location should be Möckern-Wendgräben. As far as i know, the 1982/83 planned replacement of further battalions was not finished until 1989. So this should the the only SA-5 within the GFSG?

Looks like its the only PVO site, there are 3 other sites belonging to the NVA.

There are a total of 4 SA-5 battalions in the DDR, all with 2 launch battalions.

• FRAG-431 Prangendorf
• FRAG-411 Badingen
• FRAG-511 Eckolstädt (though in imagery only 1 launch battalion can be seen - not sure if this site really only had the 1, there are enough raised positions in the guidance area to support 2 launch battalions + the 2 acquisition radars).

Plus the site belonging 163rd Anti-Aircraft Missile Brigade you mentioned.

[RVT2403]

10 minutes ago, flanker1 said:

Here are all interesting facts about the assignment with the SAM systems of the time in the former GDR, very detailed. neva; sa2 wolchow s75; sa5 wega s200

Lots of text, pretty much no sources mentioned. Hearsay, i've been there, yadda yadda. Not worth reading imho.

Proper source: https://www.relikte.com/literatur.htm