Great map, but definitely resource hungry

[SandMan23]

Did a test run around the map in the F4 with no other units.  Experienced micro stutters even at 20k AGL.  Frame rates would drop 30-40+ by just looking down.  I have a good rig that runs high FPS with no performance issues with any other maps even heavily populated with units.  I imagine this will only be exasperated when missions are built and at low level.  Hopefully some performance tweaks are on the horizon.

[YoYo]

30 minutes ago, SandMan23 said:

Did a test run around the map in the F4 with no other units.  Experienced micro stutters even at 20k AGL.  Frame rates would drop 30-40+ by just looking down.  I have a good rig that runs high FPS with no performance issues with any other maps even heavily populated with units.  I imagine this will only be exasperated when missions are built and at low level.  Hopefully some performance tweaks are on the horizon.

I'm curious about my VR tests. Yesterday I couldn't download the map due to server problems.

[Ian Boys UK]

Certainly the most resource hungry map so far. Seems my 32GB RAM isn't cutting it any more?

[YoYo]

4 minutes ago, Ian Boys UK said:

Certainly the most resource hungry map so far. Seems my 32GB RAM isn't cutting it any more?

32RAM is enough, VRAM is more important, what you have on your graphics card.

[Ian Boys UK]

Just now, YoYo said:

32RAM is enough, VRAM is more important, what you have on your graphics card.

2080Ti, so 11 GB?

[YoYo]

5 minutes ago, Ian Boys UK said:

2080Ti, so 11 GB?

2080Ti is quite an "old" card, currently we have 50xx series... so don't be surprised by the performance. It is always worth checking how DCS works with lowered LOD of objects, I have trees at 0.5 and buildings at 0.8. This always preserves more FPS and gives more FPS with imperceptible terrain quality. Buildings can be lowered, but at 0.5 you can already see sharper textures and building models loading.

[Kiwi_Viper]

awesome map guys but as others say it is resource hungry, even 64gig of ram and a 4080 super its only averaging round 50-fps in VR its playable but im hoping with time it'll improve as they optimize it .

having said that i can live with it since i dont care about multiplayer i really only do singleplayer now days and its totally useable for ww2 as well which to me is way more important than jet jockey stuff.

side note. just tryed berlin wow thats a frame killer lol lucky to get 30fps and thers quite  a lot of stutters

Edited Friday at 11:29 AM by Kiwi_Viper

[NibblesGER]

Same for me.

42/64Gb Rams used, VRAM fully used (16GB 4070TiS). Core Ryzen7 9800X3D with same settings as for Syria.

[Tepnox]

Very hungry on resources indeed. But it is no wonder because of the insane detail level they put into the map. It is a great visual experience for low-altitude / helo flyers.

So far enjoying the map alot in VR with the F-16 / Apache / Hind.

[PL_Harpoon]

Did anyone try it on lower spec machines?

I'm running 32GB/RTX 2070S (8GB).

Should I even bother? How does it compare to, say Syria?

[Kiwi_Viper]

11 minutes ago, PL_Harpoon said:

Did anyone try it on lower spec machines?

I'm running 32GB/RTX 2070S (8GB).

Should I even bother? How does it compare to, say Syria?

its probably roughly the same as Syria when it first launched , its totally playable you just might need to lower a few settings for a bit, i just dropped shadows and forest visibility little and even Berlin is back to over 45fps, but more important frame times are sub 20ms which matters more, also dropped upscale from 75% to 70% in pimax play helped without affecting visuals very much at all. it looks freekin stunning in VR

[grim_reaper68]

I noticed something strange, while loading the first time my own mission, I saw the RAM used by DCS going up to 23Gb (64Gb DDR4 installed), and 14Gb VRAM (RX7900XTX 24Gb VRAM), with the GPU around 80-90% use. But the second time I launched it, only 9.5Gb of RAM were used, but the GPU runs at 100% all the time. 

[Raisuli]

I've got an i9-14900K, 128G of RAM, 32G of VRAM, run DCS off a 4TB NVMe and have a separate NVMe for the OS, and I've seen huge stutters (time to consume some Pauliner doppelbok between frames) around Weisbaden/Mainz and the Rhine.  Probably not the computer, but might also be settings.  Kind of hard to tell, other than the FR counter was decidedly red which is CPU.

Berlin in a helo was 120+ FPS everywhere but landing at an airport.  Need to take a fast jet to a few more places today, and run a helo up the Rhine to land on that container ship.

Not overly concerned about it.  Seems lately settings (DCS/nVidia/Windows) take more time to dial in than it takes to play a game and the map is early access.  Urga will get it ironed out or someone will find that setting I'm missing.

[sirrah]

17 hours ago, PL_Harpoon said:

Did anyone try it on lower spec machines?

I'm running 32GB/RTX 2070S (8GB).

Should I even bother? How does it compare to, say Syria?

I tested for an hour yesterday (gtx1080ti in vr) and it was definitely enjoyable 

Admittedly, my missions were "empty" (as in, only my own aircraft), but the experience is on par with Syria.

Even flying over Berlin was quite acceptable, especially when keeping my head still whilst flying (looking around fast, while flying did cause some understandable low framerates)

Flying over the Eifel from Spangdahlem to Ramstein was very smooth.

 

To summarize: I expected my pc to struggle a lot more, but especially the rural areas run really well on my ancient machine.

[SharpeXB]

Runs very well at about 65 FPS on the system below. At 4K and max settings, Berlin Free Flight. Definitely seems like one of the most demanding maps though. It sure is gorgeous. 

[Mr_sukebe]

No issues yesterday, 72fps most of the time in the F1 in VR.

That was with a Quest Pro, quad views.  7800x3d, 5080 and 64GB of ram.

Task manager was suggesting the following usage (note that this includes me also running Simshaker and Roon audio player):

- 48GB of RAM

- GPU around 70%
- CPU use was primarily across 4 cores (all 8 in use), with those 4 cores around 80%, so not much headroom left in that area

DCS was saying under 10GB of VRAM used

Overall, didn’t seem much different to most other newish maps.

 

[cfrag]

13 hours ago, Raisuli said:

time to consume some Pauliner doppelbok between frames

I wish my frame rate was that bad to allow that - congratulations on your refined taste.

Also: Paulaner is known for some time dilation effects when consumed enthusiastically, so no matter what frame rate, I'm sure it was an excellent experience  

For a less ethereal experience I recommend Flaschbier from Flensburg, though...

My frame rates currently are fine until I switch cockpits, which leads me to believe some bad VRAM resource management in the DCS app itself rather than the map that merely gobbles up VRAM like my godson does Easter eggs.

 

[Raisuli]

48 minutes ago, cfrag said:

I wish my frame rate was that bad to allow that - congratulations on your refined taste.

Also: Paulaner is known for some time dilation effects when consumed enthusiastically, so no matter what frame rate, I'm sure it was an excellent experience  

For a less ethereal experience I recommend Flaschbier from Flensburg, though...

My frame rates currently are fine until I switch cockpits, which leads me to believe some bad VRAM resource management in the DCS app itself rather than the map that merely gobbles up VRAM like my godson does Easter eggs.

 

Paulaner (several varieties) is available where I live many thousand kilometers from Munich, even if it's stupidly expensive.  Seemed appropriate for blasting over this new map!

Round two on the Rhine was...practically perfect, with maybe one small blip.  Berlin wasn't a problem at all, and I discovered it's impossible to take down the wall, even with 2,000 pound bombs.  Did some experimenting.  

Makes me think that first time was spent caching map objects?  Don't know enough about how that side of the game works, but my frame rates (I haven't added anything; just the plane I fly in) have been awesome other than that first attempt.  Feel bad about commenting before verification!

[Leg2ion]

59 minutes ago, Raisuli said:

but my frame rates (I haven't added anything; just the plane I fly in) have been awesome other than that first attempt. 

Very similar experience here (less the initial stutters). Low level in an Apache around Dortmund across to Hildesheim, Braunschweig and over to Helmstedt - so a good mix of forest and built up areas with nothing untoward being noticeable (which is not my current experience in the Iraq map ).

Did find a tank range just slightly NE of Braunschweig Flughafen - the targets do fall when hit (well some of them anyway).

[Buzzer1977]

On 4/18/2025 at 8:06 AM, Kiwi_Viper said:

awesome map guys but as others say it is resource hungry, even 64gig of ram and a 4080 super its only averaging round 50-fps in VR its playable but im hoping with time it'll improve as they optimize it .

having said that i can live with it since i dont care about multiplayer i really only do singleplayer now days and its totally useable for ww2 as well which to me is way more important than jet jockey stuff.

side note. just tryed berlin wow thats a frame killer lol lucky to get 30fps and thers quite  a lot of stutters

No issues here. But i'm offloading CPU load to the dedicated server to make more use of all cores and i'm massively using the BAR feature to push textures into system RAM.
This comes at the cost of a lot of RAM. I'm currently using about 90GB of the 128GB in the system. 

[Reslox]

On 4/18/2025 at 8:30 AM, PL_Harpoon said:

Did anyone try it on lower spec machines?

I'm running 32GB/RTX 2070S (8GB).

Should I even bother? How does it compare to, say Syria?

Im using a humble i3-10105F/1660S and 16GB
By using medium/low settings I get stable 60 FPS even on the SR cold war server. It only dips if you are flying about 100m or less in a helicopter but only dips to a minimum of 40

[Kiwi_Viper]

8 hours ago, Buzzer1977 said:

No issues here. But i'm offloading CPU load to the dedicated server to make more use of all cores and i'm massively using the BAR feature to push textures into system RAM.
This comes at the cost of a lot of RAM. I'm currently using about 90GB of the 128GB in the system. 

yeh mines using 52 of 64 gig ram but its  stable ish, i did kill off the nvidia app tho its a pain in the butt, using the 572.83 driver people are having issues with mines been stable as, knocked a few settings back one notch and run 60fps limited in DCs with the crystal at 120hz its really good even over berlin so its got rid of most of the micro stutters the rest of the map is totally fine the insane detail is awesome at low level lol

[Beirut]

Performance here is good but the F-15E seems to take a big hit and stutters badly down low. Other jets are smooth at treetop height but the Strike Eagle is pretty much unflyable until you go up a thousand feet or more. 

 

All in all the map is definitely resource heavy, but very enjoyable and runs well. Happy to have 64GB of RAM right now.

[YoYo]

This performance is not ideal, at least in VR.

While outside Berlin I have a constant 72 frames, so it's ok here for me (max for my refresh), over Berlin 100m above the ground I get 62-70 fps (RTX4090). I immediately remembered the times when Syria came out and people flew with slides over Aleppo. Generally, outside the capital it's ok and here it actually looks and works well, but Berlin I don't know why it's so accurate at the cost of worse FPS. Unless some optimization comes here. It would be good if Berlin was optimized because, at least for VR users, it is not pleasant to fly here.

[Temetre]

Btw, lots of people here saying they got heavy stutters in some situations. You might wanna check your GPU memory, its prossible youre going too high. Below 16 gigs in VR really isnt great, even on other maps.

Ive got a 6800 XT with 16 gigs of memory and 32 gigs of RAM; the performance seems fairly similar to Syria, maybe very slightly worse, but no stutters.