waiting for resolution ED/RAZBAM Situation Info & Discussion

[Esac_mirmidon]

You will see. Dont worry. 

[Hammer1-1]

20 minutes ago, Esac_mirmidon said:

It will happen again, you know why?

Because the statement about all 3rd parties should sign the file sharing policy since 2018 is a LIE.

well if that were true, then ED could be privy to a class action lawsuit IMO. As much as Id like to agree with you, I dont think thats the case.

Edited 10 hours ago by Hammer1-1

[Esac_mirmidon]

its easy, they should list all 3rd parties involved, but they are not doing it. Take your conclusions.

[=37.Sqn= Mjugen]

+1

And yet here we have ED releasing half baked modules like there is no tomorrow. I have eated enough half bakering to not buy anythng else

[Hammer1-1]

8 minutes ago, =37.Sqn= Mjugen said:

+1

And yet here we have ED releasing half baked modules like there is no tomorrow. I have eated enough half bakering to not buy anythng else

they do just what every major game developer has been doing for the last 15 years; one should be happy about the fact they dont do micro transactions, but at the very least you see results in a month by month basis, AND they keep the update roadmap transparent. Id rather learn the half baked modules on a cup-by-cup basis rather than the whole firehose all at once. 

[Dragon1-1]

Well, that's early access for you. Myself, I'm not buying anything until I work through my considerable singleplayer backlog. Given that I'm on a break from DCS lately, this will likely be a while. After that, I will catch up on campaigns for modules that I already own, and then, I will start thinking about buying something new. I'll probably miss out on the 30% discount for the MiG-29, but I'm on Steam, so if I have it at all it'll be a very narrow window. If I happen to have enough money freed up I might go for it, but in this economy I probably won't.

[MicroShket]

1 час назад, Esac_mirmidon сказал:

You will see. Dont worry. 

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[Oban]

1 hour ago, =37.Sqn= Mjugen said:

+1

And yet here we have ED releasing half baked modules like there is no tomorrow. I have eated enough half bakering to not buy anythng else

Nobody's forced you to buy them..

So many entitled people .... chicken little, the sky is falling too. 

Last time I checked, all my Razbam modules are still working, and enjoyable..  

[Kang]

9 hours ago, Oban said:

And yet here you are........moaning about half baked modules that may or may not be further developed, which NOBODY forced you to buy.. 

Yea, some of us decide to voice an opinion towards improving the world around us. The old 'get out if you don't like it here' argument loops around to asking why you are part of any of the discussion as well. If taken for truth it negates the need to talk about anything and stunts the development and improvement of anything.

10 hours ago, bfr said:

Yes, very much so. If you're going to throw money at resurrecting a module you'll want that money being thrown back at you in new sales. So a module that is niche and/or has already sold most of the units it is ever likely to is less attractive. Although if ED are picking them up then  less direct benefits (i.e. restoring customer confidence) might also be a considered worthwhile. 

This is just my opinion, feel free to disagree, but I am convinced that Eagle Dynamics, as a company, simply does not do customer confidence.

The interesting question that remains open is: does ED management not understand that concept or have they simply understood that their particular customer base can be wooed again and again regardless? I don't even dare answering that for myself.

[Xtorris]

I have the A-10A, A-10C, A-10CII, AV-8B, CH-47, F-4 Phantom, F-14 A/B,  F-5E, F-86F, MiG-15, MiG-19, F-15C (FC3), Mig-29 (FC3), Su-25, Su-27, Su-33, AH-64D. Black Shark 2, Black Shark 3, Mi-24P, SA342.

I'd would LOVE to buy the MiG-29, F-15C, F-16, F-18, Kola, Germany, Sinai, C-130, etc. But why should I? What's to say, you won't have a grievance with another 3rd party developer, or let another of your modules, go by the wayside and slow-roll updates? Of all the modules I own, the Harrier was the only one I enjoyed, and it will soon be non-functional.

I have no desire, to invest in your product because you have displayed time after time, you will do the minimum possible to move things forward.

 

[Oban]

18 minutes ago, Kang said:

Yea, some of us decide to voice an opinion towards improving the world around us. The old 'get out if you don't like it here' argument loops around to asking why you are part of any of the discussion as well. If taken for truth it negates the need to talk about anything and stunts the development and improvement of anything.

This is just my opinion, feel free to disagree, but I am convinced that Eagle Dynamics, as a company, simply does not do customer confidence.

The interesting question that remains open is: does ED management not understand that concept or have they simply understood that their particular customer base can be wooed again and again regardless? I don't even dare answering that for myself.

Remind me again how (in some cases) demanding that ED breach any confidentiality agreements between their 3rd party module makers improves the world around us, when there's real conflict that causes death and destruction all around the globe, but the sky is falling .........over a video game ?  

There's nothing wrong with voicing or having opinions, but when it's been repeated ad nauseum about the current situation as stated on page 1, it's simply not acceptable to some people, I'm old school, been around a number of decades, no business owes me, a consumer of their products, an explanation into how their business model works. 

Anyone who buys into early access, then bitches and whines about it gets zero sympathy, you knew what you were getting into, and nobody forced anyone to purchase those modules either... its amazing how free will works if you apply it.... if a game/sim irks me so much, I delete it, find something else, why waste valuable time and energy over something you don't have control over? 

There's more things to worry about in life, than to get stressed out and worked up on a flight sim forum, some folks need to put some perspective into their lives, ease up from the angst, because nothing said in here is going to change Nick Grey, or any other ED stakeholders opinions regarding their business model. 



 

[Nightdare]

4 minutes ago, Oban said:

when there's real conflict that causes death and destruction all around the globe

 

If you care about that so much, wouldn't you actively be working to solve those issues, instead of arguing over a videogame on the internet?

 

Sorry Oban, but your platitude is worth less than the luxury goods I just shipped to the Ukraine

[Oban]

9 minutes ago, Xtorris said:

I have the A-10A, A-10C, A-10CII, AV-8B, CH-47, F-4 Phantom, F-14 A/B,  F-5E, F-86F, MiG-15, MiG-19, F-15C (FC3), Mig-29 (FC3), Su-25, Su-27, Su-33, AH-64D. Black Shark 2, Black Shark 3, Mi-24P, SA342.

I'd would LOVE to buy the MiG-29, F-15C, F-16, F-18, Kola, Germany, Sinai, C-130, etc. But why should I? What's to say, you won't have a grievance with another 3rd party developer, or let another of your modules, go by the wayside and slow-roll updates? Of all the modules I own, the Harrier was the only one I enjoyed, and it will soon be non-functional.

I have no desire, to invest in your product because you have displayed time after time, you will do the minimum possible to move things forward.

 

How soon is soon? How do you know that it's soon? So you've given up when "soon" could be 24 months from now? Nobody knows or can predict when they will become non functional, so why not ride that horse until it can't be ridden anymore? There has been ZERO statement by Razbam that they have ended their business relations with ED and will cease all development for DCS world, and as far as I'm aware, Ron Zambrano still has access to ED's SDK, he's never mentioned that all access was removed again... it's not over till the fat lady sings. 

With regards to Kola/Sinai/Germany, the F18 and F16, all I can say is you're missing out, they're great modules, the AV8B is great to fly around the Kola map.. 

 

2 minutes ago, Nightdare said:

 

If you care about that so much, wouldn't you actively be working to solve those issues, instead of arguing over a videogame on the internet?

 

Sorry Oban, but your platitude is worth less than the luxury goods I just shipped to the Ukraine

What do you want? A medal? 

I spent 18 years of my life in the Middle East actively solving such issues, rather than sending "luxury items" ... if it makes you feel good, then well done. 

[Nightdare]

12 minutes ago, Oban said:

What do you want? A medal? 

Absolutely not, I'm not pretending to be a good person, nor do I believe I'm atlas, capable (or even willing) to carry the universe on my shoulders

I care as much about the world as it does about me

And apparently, some people in the Ukraine care more about luxury goods for themselves, then use that money for the rest of their population suffering in wartime

So what makes you think people here should give a damn when the people there don't even give a damn?

 

21 minutes ago, Oban said:

I spent 18 years of my life in the Middle East actively solving such issues, rather than sending "luxury items" ... if it makes you feel good, then well done. 

You were paid 18 years to do what exactly?

[Silver_Dragon]

47 minutes ago, Xtorris said:

I have the A-10A, A-10C, A-10CII, AV-8B, CH-47, F-4 Phantom, F-14 A/B,  F-5E, F-86F, MiG-15, MiG-19, F-15C (FC3), Mig-29 (FC3), Su-25, Su-27, Su-33, AH-64D. Black Shark 2, Black Shark 3, Mi-24P, SA342.

I'd would LOVE to buy the MiG-29, F-15C, F-16, F-18, Kola, Germany, Sinai, C-130, etc. But why should I? What's to say, you won't have a grievance with another 3rd party developer, or let another of your modules, go by the wayside and slow-roll updates? Of all the modules I own, the Harrier was the only one I enjoyed, and it will soon be non-functional.

I have no desire, to invest in your product because you have displayed time after time, you will do the minimum possible to move things forward.

 

Can we stop generalizing?
- VEAO closed because it wasn't interested in continuing in DCS World (they claimed it wasn't their core business market).
- RAZBAM hasn't closed yet, the dispute continues...

Coming now to claim that the other 18 third parties and the other 20 campaign creators are going to close tomorrow or in a few years is crazy, especially when this has been going on for 15 years since the launch of DCS World, and honestly, crucifying the work of the other third parties for the ED-RAZBAM dispute is demonic...

If someone comes with those arguments, I don't know what they've been doing for the last 50 years, because you only have to look at certain AAA "distributors" who are dedicated to buying studios and closing them... I mean, it's not even 0.1% of what's happening with the dispute... or worse, take a look at Steam or Epic... when a studio closes, it's well known what happens to their games.

1 minute ago, Nightdare said:

Absolutely not, I'm not pretending to be a good person, nor do I believe I'm atlas, capable (or even willing) to carry the universe on my shoulders

I care as much about the world as it does about me

And apparently, some people in the Ukraine care more about luxury goods for themselves, then use that money for the rest of their population suffering in wartime

So what makes you think people here should give a damn when the people there don't even give a damn?

 

You were paid 18 years to do what exactly?

Someone need remember the forum rules
1.7 No political, social or cultural disputes on the ED forums.
 

[Nightdare]

15 minutes ago, Silver_Dragon said:

Someone need remember the forum rules
1.7 No political, social or cultural disputes on the ED forums.

 

I wasn't bringing in the world's ills in this, more putting that in the context of feeding people platitudes

 

Edit: I'll leave the choice open if it's irony, or hypocrisy, to complain about conflicts in the world on the Digital Combat Simulator forums

Edited 6 hours ago by Nightdare

[Horns]

11 minutes ago, Nightdare said:

 

Edit: I'll leave the choice open if it's irony, or hypocrisy, to complain about conflicts in the world on the Digital Combat Simulator forums

And here’s me thinking of playing hearts of iron 4 as Germany  

[NineLine]

Let's be careful where this conversation drifts, please.

[Horns]

1 minute ago, NineLine said:

Let's be careful where this conversation drifts, please.

That’s fair, my bad.

[bfr]

2 hours ago, Kang said:

This is just my opinion, feel free to disagree, but I am convinced that Eagle Dynamics, as a company, simply does not do customer confidence.

The interesting question that remains open is: does ED management not understand that concept or have they simply understood that their particular customer base can be wooed again and again regardless? I don't even dare answering that for myself.

Even if they didn't value it on a personal level, if it customer confidence does tank then it'll reflect in sales and they'd definitely care about it then.

[Phantom88]

39 minutes ago, NineLine said:

Let's be careful where this conversation drifts, please.

Where would you like it to “Drift”?
Perhaps if You gave your paying customers a more detailed ,clearer insight into The DCS/Third Party Agreement so we are not in the dark moving forward …Some Matter of Confidence needs to be restored here.

The “Drifting “ seems to be a DCS Communication Staple 

[Horns]

17 minutes ago, Phantom88 said:

Where would you like it to “Drift”?
Perhaps if You gave your paying customers a more detailed ,clearer insight into The DCS/Third Party Agreement so we are not in the dark moving forward …Some Matter of Confidence needs to be restored here.

The “Drifting “ seems to be a DCS Communication Staple 

That wasn’t what he was addressing, he was telling me to stop breaking the rules and talking about a different game. People have had a robust discussion about the third-party agreement and no one is stopping you from participating.