North America Wishlist Thread

[Rick50]

Well... not criticising your choice of terrain, but the original 1984 movie took place in Colorado, not Washington State or lower BC!!  

 

One minor downside to your own choice of WA / BC, is that the amount of data details to be created, stored on HD's and then be processed/rendered in real time flights, would be higher than all other DCS maps combined.  There's SOOO much cities, so much detailed mountains valleys and other geological features that it would become an issue. Then add a trillion trees.  

 

Now that said, another flighsim was released in 2020 with that kind of details, and seems to work pretty well on powerful machines...  I'm just saying it won't be easy or smooth on lower spec machines.  After all that though, it would be spectacular if it can be made to work well!

[aviation360]

I think one including the Gulf of Mexico, corpus Christi Texas to Cuba and part of Florida coast like Tampa down to key west, would allow for training ops etc. as corpus is a NAS, and Pensacola is a big NAS, Ellington field in Houston is big for NASA T-38s and a ANG base, I think it would be cool to see a map that size however I don’t know the dimensions of such a map but would be cool but would probably have to wait for Multi Threading for a map that big

[Baaz]

On 3/5/2021 at 11:20 PM, Rick50 said:

Well... not criticising your choice of terrain, but the original 1984 movie took place in Colorado, not Washington State or lower BC!!  

 

One minor downside to your own choice of WA / BC, is that the amount of data details to be created, stored on HD's and then be processed/rendered in real time flights, would be higher than all other DCS maps combined.  There's SOOO much cities, so much detailed mountains valleys and other geological features that it would become an issue. Then add a trillion trees.  

 

Now that said, another flighsim was released in 2020 with that kind of details, and seems to work pretty well on powerful machines...  I'm just saying it won't be easy or smooth on lower spec machines.  After all that though, it would be spectacular if it can be made to work well!

You haven't spent much time up there have you?  Outside Vancouver, Seattle/Tacoma, and Portland area there's not a whole hell of a lot.  Towns are rather small, and once you get east of the Cascades, things turn barren very quickly.  You can even see the sudden change in the images above.  It really is night and day between east and west side of the Cascades; something I love about the area.  Can be on the beach, an hour later be in high mountains, and in another hour be in high barren plateaus.  Square area may be more, but I'm not sure if we're talking much more data than the Caucasus 

[Rick50]

 I've lived in Vancouver for 30 years, and traveled quite a bit around the rest of Washington State, the lower half of BC and a modest bit of Oregon too. Spent a bit of time in Seattle, Yakima, Kelowna, Victoria, Nanaimo and others... These days I'm in Calgary. 

 

It's true I'd agree there's not a MASSIVE population in this region, if comparing to say SoCal, or South Korea, Mexico City or Chong Quing. But... a map for DCS doesn't just deal with population density. The geography is itself a whole lot of data, more so than normal, probably something like 50 to 100 times as much geographical data as the Persian Gulf map. The trees would be far more numerous than the Caucasus map, and the other maps have few trees. 

 

One thing to consider is that the Caucasus map would not measure up if released today, say compared to the Syria map, which has far less trees but a lot more detail and population density. To represent the West Coast properly would probably be something like double the data of the Syria map, in large part because of the much higher tree density needed for much of it. Also, while "barren" might sound like low requirements, there's a lot of shrubs and rock formations, and that means data to create store crunch and render. It's neither the NTTR or Persian Gulf map, much more to design and render.

 

The biggest stumbling block to the map you propose is it's total size. Your proposed map of all of Washington, northern bit of Oregon and southern BC... is large, roughly about double the height and width of the Syria map, so just in terms of square KM's probably about 4 times the map data for a dev team to create and then have us render at 60 fps. Not insurmountable, but it's a challenge to overcome. By the time such a map were finished development, our PC's might be able to render it well. 

 

All that said, it WOULD be a cool map for DCS! 

 

I wish for a terrain map of the Norway Sweden and Finland, with a few bits of Russia, like an old DOS sim of a typhoon from the 1990s did... but that's a HUGE area and would be an even bigger challenge to developers and our hardware to run it... but I can dream!

 

[ASAP]

Like the title says, they should make a map for southern Arizona similar. Similar to the Nellis Test and Training Range, the Barry M Goldwater Range Complex (BMGR) is where the Air force does a lot of intro training for the F-16, A-10C and F-35 pilots. It would be awesome to get to fly the Hawg and learn how to use it where the pros do. It also has a number of conventional ranges and tactical ranges that people could use. I don't know about everyone else, but I'm tired of going to that X shaped closed runway in Georgia to practice diving deliveries.

[Uxi]

NTTR should be expanded to at least Miramar and San Clemente Island and have Fallon and AZ inside it. 

Our a larger replacement map that had all of that.  Kinda like Normandy and the Channel.

[upyr1]

On 11/5/2021 at 9:16 AM, Uxi said:

NTTR should be expanded to at least Miramar and San Clemente Island and have Fallon and AZ inside it. 

Our a larger replacement map that had all of that.  Kinda like Normandy and the Channel.

I would also add fort Irwin call the map- the south west and offer NTTR owners a discount and eventually kill off the NTTR at some point. 

Edited November 13, 2021 by upyr1

[Silver_Dragon]

ED has none plans to expland NTTR Nevada map. Remember the has centred on NTTR, no on North Arizona or California.

[Rick50]

On 11/5/2021 at 8:16 AM, Uxi said:

NTTR should be expanded to at least Miramar and San Clemente Island and have Fallon and AZ inside it. 

Our a larger replacement map that had all of that.  Kinda like Normandy and the Channel.

 

The downside:  Miramar and AZ in the same map is way WAY too big for DCS to handle. Today or the near future.

 

The upside: ED has plans to model the entire world globe, eventually.  So presumably we all could fly from AZ to Miramar, to Singapore, then on to Jordan!

 

Now, this is not happening in 2022, but rather the basic framework and early testing stage, with implementation to stable release probably being several years away or more. But at least there's a plan, and they are comfortable enough giving us a tiny idea that they are starting to try and do that.

 

For more info check this thread:

 

Edited November 13, 2021 by Rick50

[upyr1]

15 minutes ago, Rick50 said:

 

The downside:  Miramar and AZ in the same map is way WAY too big for DCS to handle. Today or the near future.

 

if it is too big for DCS to handle then related maps that load by pressing an arrow would work 

16 minutes ago, Rick50 said:

The upside: ED has plans to model the entire world globe, eventually.  So presumably we all could fly from AZ to Miramar, to Singapore, then on to Jordan!

 

Now, this is not happening in 2022, but rather the basic framework and early testing stage, with implementation to stable release probably being several years away or more. But at least there's a plan, and they are comfortable enough giving us a tiny idea that they are starting to try and do that.

I hope they use some tech that renders individual maps obsolete 

[Rick50]

19 hours ago, upyr1 said:

 

if it is too big for DCS to handle then related maps that load by pressing an arrow would work 

I hope they use some tech that renders individual maps obsolete 

 

 

The arrow deal could be a great solution for now, it's just that most maps are not beside each other. But the Syria map is located just below the Caucasus map, with maybe just a couple hundred KM's not represeted, so those might be an early candidate. Not sure about the Channel maps and Normandy...

 

I think the global map plan is to move away from individual maps, maybe. I'm not sure, and ED may not have a final decision on that either. But I suspect we'd all be happy with the long term stable release, once available.

[1130]

see those terrains? we can have some snow mountains less like the "heavy creamed" in black sea, and we can both have the Blu and Red territory, it was quite a hot zone in the cold war era.

What do you think guys?

[Nodak]

Lack of suitable airbases, and the distance between.  Personally a well done map with close to life like terrain, hell yeah, but financially probably not a good bet with no runways.  Want some Dall sheep up in those mountains and some smoking volcano's.

[Dieselmadness]

I’d personally like to see some sort of us base either pacific coast or elsewhere that would allow for f18 deployment to the carrier as well as “homecoming” flights after a deployment. I read all the naysaying about this but if it’s touted as a “simulator” they why not simulate every aspect of military flight service..including taking off headed for your carrier. Kinda kills immersion to go from training in Nevada to poooff..your in the Persian gulf on deployment… would be nice if there was some kind of work around to accommodate this 

[Dragon1-1]

We'll have a global map at some point, then we might simulate sitting on your ass for 12 hours, flying formation with the tanker and topping off every time you start running dry. Now, I'm not saying trying that a few times a year wouldn't be fun, but I wouldn't make it part of a campaign.

[upyr1]

The only problem with Alaska is the size. Otherwise it would be awesome 

[Mike Force Team]

If ED map the Alaska Map, I would buy it.

MFT.

 

[Beirut]

1 minute ago, Mike Force Team said:

If ED map the Alaska Map, I would buy it.

MFT.

 

 

I'd have to think about it, maybe for as much as two or three seconds, then I'd buy it.

 

I'm a flightsimmer - give me a map of Tutankhamen's outhouse, I'll figure out how to fly over it and have fun. 

[Mike Force Team]

@Beirut To make the long transoceanic flights more bearable, ED could build in a time-compression feature.  You can fast forward the mission so that your engagements are in the areas of conflict rather than counting the waves as you are flying to/from the destination.

MFT

[Beirut]

9 minutes ago, Mike Force Team said:

@Beirut To make the long transoceanic flights more bearable, ED could build in a time-compression feature.  You can fast forward the mission so that your engagements are in the areas of conflict rather than counting the waves as you are flying to/from the destination.

MFT

 

What's wrong with counting waves? 

 

Be the map, MFT. Be... the map. 

[Mike Force Team]

@Beirut The pilots spot mermaids and admire the view.  As a result of the distraction, they have to start their wave counting again.

[Mike Force Team]

Oh, something else came to mind. When not looking for the mermaids or counting waves, we can look for UFOs. Somehow, we have to enable a feature that allows the virtual pilots to photograph the UFOs.

MFT

[a1133620002]

I guess now is the best timing to bring this topic back haha!

Edited June 5, 2022 by a1133620002

[upyr1]

On 2/11/2019 at 10:02 AM, Buckeye said:

This has been brought up many, many times in the past -- especially recently since DCS is taking a Navy/Marine direction on the recent modern jets -- the takeaways of each discussion has been:

 

- The community 100% agrees with you and would love to see the NTTR map expanded West and South, would potentially make it the best/most relevant map we have

- ED has said they are done expanding NTTR and there are no plans for this to ever be done

The NTRR might be done but I'm not seein a good argument against a new map focused on San Diego 

[C_W_S]

On 6/6/2022 at 7:34 AM, upyr1 said:

The NTRR might be done but I'm not seein a good argument against a new map focused on San Diego 

As a personal opinion, I believe there to be many other locations which are far more interesting - both historically and terrain-wise.  A lot of people are a bit fed up with desert and semi desert environments, we already have three such maps.  We already have a training map in the form of Nevada.  Geopolitically, it's pretty boring around San Diego.  The Baltic, Vietnam, the Balkans and extending the Persian Gulf map to include Iraq - and possibly even to tie in with Syria - are all far more interesting options for new maps.

Edited June 7, 2022 by C_W_S