North America Wishlist Thread

[Dragon1-1]

I'd love to have both NAS Lemoore and MCAS Miramar, plus the Californian coast off which a carrier could be placed. A training map focused on California would be a great complement to NTTR. It's not just desert, either, the coastal area can be quite pretty. Also, since NTTR is done, it's probably not gonna by upgraded anytime soon, a new US map would probably look better. The biggest problem I see is that the place is densely populated. That means a lot of objects and poor performance. I'm already having trouble around Vegas.

Another idea: make an explicitly 80s map of California. You know, Top Gun days and all that.  Modern one is an option, too, but I want to see classic architecture and airbases as they were in the 80s. NTTR is quite modern, although you mostly see it around Vegas. 

Edited June 7, 2022 by Dragon1-1

[upyr1]

6 hours ago, C_W_S said:

As a personal opinion, I believe there to be many other locations which are far more interesting - both historically and terrain-wise.  A lot of people are a bit fed up with desert and semi desert environments, we already have three such maps.  We already have a training map in the form of Nevada.  Geopolitically, it's pretty boring around San Diego.  The Baltic, Vietnam, the Balkans and extending the Persian Gulf map to include Iraq - and possibly even to tie in with Syria - are all far more interesting options for new maps.

 

I'm with you on this. my top  maps right now are the following.

• Korea (1950s possibly modern)
• Balkans and Italy- WWII and 1990s
• Solomon islands (WWII and modern)
• East front I'd really like something centred on Kursk 
• WW II Caucuses
• Central Europe 
• Vietnam
• Alaska / Russia far east
• 1960s carabiean / Florida 
• Philipines 

 

[C_W_S]

16 hours ago, upyr1 said:

I'm with you on this. my top  maps right now are the following.

• Korea (1950s possibly modern)
• Balkans and Italy- WWII and 1990s
• Solomon islands (WWII and modern)
• East front I'd really like something centred on Kursk 
• WW II Caucuses
• Central Europe 
• Vietnam
• Alaska / Russia far east
• 1960s carabiean / Florida 
• Philipines 

 

I still think you're forgetting the Baltic Sea.  It was a serious hot spot during the cold war and we have a lot of relevant aircraft to populate such a map.  However, I see from your list that I've completely missed a 1950s Korea.  We certainly have the aircraft for it and it would be a fantastic sandbox to fly out some scenarios!

[upyr1]

6 hours ago, C_W_S said:

I still think you're forgetting the Baltic Sea.  It was a serious hot spot during the cold war and we have a lot of relevant aircraft to populate such a map.  However, I see from your list that I've completely missed a 1950s Korea.  We certainly have the aircraft for it and it would be a fantastic sandbox to fly out some scenarios!

I think you are right 

 

On 6/7/2022 at 11:15 AM, upyr1 said:

• Korea (1950s possibly modern)
• Balkans and Italy- WWII and 1990s
• Solomon islands (WWII and modern)
• East front I'd really like something centred on Kursk 
• WW II Caucuses
• Central Europe 
• Baltic sea
• Vietnam
• Alaska / Russia far east
• 1960s carabiean / Florida 
• Philippines 

 

[Baco]

The sheer density of population in the US restricts the size of the map greatly. its the same problem as having Centre Europe in a map.

Nevada could get away with it because the ONLY big city is Las vegas.

 

Now you propose San Diego/Tijuana and all the coast up Camp Pendelton (San clemente island) , The area might be one of the densest populated areas in the west coast excluding LA of course...

If doable it would have to be ugly, with generic city blocks, and tiles, not up to par with what DCS is today.

It would be a huge investment in time, resources, effort...

[WRAITH]

Navy Fighter Pilot Explains: F/A-18 RTB Procedures

In this video I explain what the F/A-18 Hornet pilot in this video and his flight lead are doing during their off-target rendez-vous,

return to NAS Fallon, Nevada, landing, de-arm, and shut down.

 

 

Edited June 9, 2022 by WRAITH

[Hairdo1-1]

I feel like Pearl Harbor (both for ww2 and modern) Fallon naval air station, and Pensacola are huge gaps in the map offering 

[DmitriKozlowsky]

On 5/25/2022 at 8:45 PM, 1130 said:

see those terrains? we can have some snow mountains less like the "heavy creamed" in black sea, and we can both have the Blu and Red territory, it was quite a hot zone in the cold war era.

What do you think guys?

Aleutian Islands , Bering Strait, maritime Alaskan area, and Sakhalin Island  Could just be called DCS: Bering Strait  or DCS: Aleutians.  Strategically Aleutians and Bering Strait are super-strategic.

[DmitriKozlowsky]

DCS: Caribbean & Gulf Of Mexico.

[b0bl00i]

There's already Nevada and Guam (both US territory)?

[Dragon1-1]

I wouldn't mind Greenland or Alaska, mostly for fighting bombers coming over the pole from the USSR. That said, the US is in a situation where there are no red airbases anywhere near it. To even consider attacking it you need long range aviation, which is not the focus of DCS. So, you either make a map where training areas are, or something on the very fringe.

I'd rather see California, with Lemoore, North Island and Miramar. Plus, of course, the ocean for carriers. That would be highly useful for USN/USMC training scenarios.

[bies]

On 8/2/2022 at 7:39 AM, DmitriKozlowsky said:

DCS: Caribbean & Gulf Of Mexico.

DCS Cuban Missile Crisis !

Needed aircrafts of this era like MiG-21F-13, Su-7B, Su-9, F-4D Skayray, A-4D Skyhawk, F-8U Crusader, U-2, F-104 Starfighter etc. SA-2 S-75, CIM-10 Bomarc missile systems.

[Zeagle]

NIKE Ajax

 

Florida Straits and Gulf of Mexico would be good because Florida has many military airfields, some big training ranges, and lots of water for naval ops.  Proximity to Cuba is great for RED/BLUE scenarios

[DmitriKozlowsky]

3 hours ago, Dragon1-1 said:

I wouldn't mind Greenland or Alaska, mostly for fighting bombers coming over the pole from the USSR. That said, the US is in a situation where there are no red airbases anywhere near it. To even consider attacking it you need long range aviation, which is not the focus of DCS. So, you either make a map where training areas are, or something on the very fringe.

I'd rather see California, with Lemoore, North Island and Miramar. Plus, of course, the ocean for carriers. That would be highly useful for USN/USMC training scenarios.

That would be DCS: Iceland or DCS: North Atlantic. Going off hypothetical scenario modeled on Red Storm Rising. Iceland is key to Atlantic, as it seats middle way between North America and Europe.

[DmitriKozlowsky]

DCS: Baltic is still my most wanted. However my European theater desire maybe partially fullfilled by Kola Penninsula. But Kola is all water and mountains, which is FANTASTIC, but little in way of urban terrain, and not much of strategic terrain. Water and sky are strategic. Unless I am missing something. DCS: Baltic is chockfull of European urban areas, roads, valleys, cliffs, fjords, manmade ground hazards. In my thinking Baltic should stretch from Kaliningrad (Konigsberg) to Skagen, Denmark and Eastern North Sea. I figure unless forced, Baltic Fleet is bottled up in Baltic, with threats from three cardinal directions.

[Dragon1-1]

11 minutes ago, DmitriKozlowsky said:

That would be DCS: Iceland or DCS: North Atlantic. Going off hypothetical scenario modeled on Red Storm Rising. Iceland is key to Atlantic, as it seats middle way between North America and Europe.

Iceland is a little too far from the US, we don't have maps that big. AFAIK, the big waves of nuke-armed bombers were supposed to fly over the pole into Alaska and Canada, anyway. Sure, the navies would clash in North Atlantic, but the big nuclear airstrike wouldn't need to bother with it. The goal would be to penetrate into the mainaland US and take out its massive industry and military installations before they can ramp up to war production, hoping that Soviets' own dispersed industry in the Urals and further south manages to survive the nuclear apocalypse. Remember, before massed ICBMs made MAD a reality, a nuclear war was something that had to be fought out with a combination of conventional forces and nukes, and a lot of planners expected a WWII-style confrontation. Considering that in WWII the US had the big advantage of being basically untouchable over land, hitting it was of utmost importance.

[DmitriKozlowsky]

14 minutes ago, bies said:

DCS Cuban Missile Crisis !

Needed aircrafts of this era like MiG-21F-13, Su-7B, Su-9, F-4D Skayray, A-4D Skyhawk, F-8U Crusader, U-2, F-104 Starfighter etc. SA-2 S-75, CIM-10 Bomarc missile systems.

Also, IL-28 Beagle, Yak-25 maybe, early TU-95, Soviet late WWII and 1950's transports, and Soviet merchants.  US helicopters of the day S-58, SH-3, various banana shaped piston engined helicopters. The obvious Soviet IRBM and SRBM (but without nuclear weapons sims), D-30 towed howitzer, T-34, T-54, Soviet half-tracks, trucks.  WWII pack should have plenty of misc. equipment. As Pre-Revolution Cuba had hand-me downs from USA.

[IanC58]

@DmitriKozlowsky - far too many manuals for you to read

Edited August 4, 2022 by IanC58

[DmitriKozlowsky]

9 minutes ago, Dragon1-1 said:

Iceland is a little too far from the US, we don't have maps that big. AFAIK, the big waves of nuke-armed bombers were supposed to fly over the pole into Alaska and Canada, anyway. Sure, the navies would clash in North Atlantic, but the big nuclear airstrike wouldn't need to bother with it. The goal would be to penetrate into the mainaland US and take out its massive industry and military installations before they can ramp up to war production, hoping that Soviets' own dispersed industry in the Urals and further south manages to survive the nuclear apocalypse. Remember, before massed ICBMs made MAD a reality, a nuclear war was something that had to be fought out with a combination of conventional forces and nukes, and a lot of planners expected a WWII-style confrontation. Considering that in WWII the US had the big advantage of being basically untouchable over land, hitting it was of utmost importance.

You are correct. But DCS , IMHO, is not about strategic warfare. More of a tactical battles fought over area with conventional weapons. Aim is to capture and hold terrain for aggressor. Repulsion of invasion by defender. Key terrain (including water) is Bering Straight, Cape Krunsenstern, St. Lawrence Island, Diomede Islands, Ice Road(s) from Canada, and Aleutians. Aleutians is the island chain bridge from Kamchatka Peninsula to AK and North American continent. Ripe for island hopping strategy.  That maybe a big too big for DCS. If so just Bering Strait and vicinity. Taking tack of strategic bombers over North Pole penetrating into NORAD airspace, the NORAD interceptor bases, USAF Air Forces Alaska, BMD sites , giant OTH radar sites, all have to be attacked with conventional weapons. Thus DCS: Bering Strait.

In defense of Island. Tom Clancy thought it was important, and that's good enough for me.

[Dragon1-1]

Bering Strait is Canada, not US. Aleutians are basically empty, there's nothing there to fly from aside from an USCG station and a few civilian airports. Iceland is a whole other thing, because, as you might have noticed, it isn't the US, and it's too far to include any part of the US in the map.

Basically, the only realistic scenario involving North America being attacked is a full-on WWIII, mostly because the US would certainly respond to any threat to their territory with nukes.

[DmitriKozlowsky]

10 hours ago, Dragon1-1 said:

Bering Strait is Canada, not US. Aleutians are basically empty, there's nothing there to fly from aside from an USCG station and a few civilian airports. Iceland is a whole other thing, because, as you might have noticed, it isn't the US, and it's too far to include any part of the US in the map.

Basically, the only realistic scenario involving North America being attacked is a full-on WWIII, mostly because the US would certainly respond to any threat to their territory with nukes.

Check Google Earth. Bering Strait is shared by US and Russia. Canada has Arctic Ocean coast.  Aleutians is a picket line of radar stations, Naval stations, and some fishing stations. Shemya Island, Kiska, Attu. All vital. Aleutians were the only US territory in North America to be occupied, temporarily, by Imperial Japan.

[Woogey]

I think it is time to revisit this map Idea.  With ORBX finally entering the pool so to speak, this could potentially open the flood gates with their True Earth product line. Using the existing ORBX True Earth SoCal product to Rewind the calendar slightly (Pre-1990), and now you have a map that supports a ton of aircraft with home bases. The Following should have precedence as "Hi Detail" bases to support existing modules:  NAS Miramar F-4, F-8, F-14, F-5, A-4, E-2ai, George AFB F-4E, F-4Fai, F-4Gai, OV-10A, MCAS El Toro A-6E, F- 4B/N, F-4J/S, RF-4Bai, F-8 A-4, OA-4M, F/A-18, C-130, MCAS Yuma AV-8B, F-5, NAS Lemoore A-7E, F/A-18,  Edwards AFB.

Slightly less detailed bases to support training operations and support potential future modules should include: NAS North Island SH-2Fai, SH-3H, SH-60Bai CH-46, S-3ai, C-2ai, C-9ai, MCAS Camp Pendelton AH-1W, UH-1N, CH-46, OV-10D, Los Alamitos AAF AH-1S, UH-1H, UH-60, AH-64, CH-47.

Finally some basic detail bases that are on the map and could support multiple different scenarios NAS Point Mugu, NAF El Centro, MCAS Tustin, NAF Imperial Beach, NAF China Lake, NTC Fort Irwin, Vandenberg AFB, and USAF Plant 42 at Palmdale. 
 

Finally I would like to add, there’s a whole Lot of ocean out there, and a little portion of Mexico on this map.  This is not just a training map it is also very much open for Red Dawn type scenarios.   

ORBX DCS SoCal.kml

Edited August 19, 2022 by Woogey
Grammar

[navyao]

Couldn't agree more with you Woogey, this would be the <profanity>! I belong to USLANTCOM and this would open so many doors to training for our group alone - wow! Finally an actual NAS to be based out of for CVW-11. Our Marine Hornet & Harrier squadrons could either be based out of El Toro or at Miramar and our Navy Hornets out of Lemoore. Our Army Apache squadrons would have Los Alamitos AAF. Air to ground DETS at El Centro, FAC(A) DETS to 29 Palms, FCLP at NAF San Clemente, air wing work-ups could still be done on the NTTR map or at either El Centro or China Lake, I mean the ideas are endless really. Work-ups off the SOCAL op area, etc. As a former West Coast VF guy I would L-O-V-E this!

[markom]

A bonus points for those who can land their Hornet/Viper on Harris Ranch for steak

[C_W_S]

On 7/30/2022 at 6:04 PM, Hairdo1-1 said:

I feel like Pearl Harbor (both for ww2 and modern) Fallon naval air station, and Pensacola are huge gaps in the map offering 

Sadly, I think that these maps can only be missed if you're from the US - and not even all Americans will miss them.  Two of them are historically utterly insignificant regarding aerial combat, and Hawaii can already be simulated via the Guam map.  Also, there are not yet enough assets to successfully recreate the only action that would make Hawaii interesting at all.