Announcing Flaming Cliffs 2.0

[Shaman]

Flaming Cliffs 2.0 Upgrade FAQ

 

Q: What new features does the Flaming Cliffs 2.0 upgrade add?

- New and improved sound engine

Have you dropped legacy DirectSound3D no longer supported in Vista and Windows 7?

OpenAL would be nicely welcomed here. Especially by all X-FI users (including me).

[Bucic]

Have you dropped legacy DirectSound3D no longer supported in Vista and Windows 7?

OpenAL would be nicely welcomed here. Especially by all X-FI users (including me).

What tells you that LO FC 2.0 will have what DCS don't? :) You can read more about it here

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=34412&highlight=audacity&page=2

 

I don't know if I mentioned there that IIRC if Alchemy is used with DCS you will hear every bullet hitting the ground regardless of the distance, even in cockpit view. Quite a show stopper. Can anyone confirm the bug? I wonder if it will be present in FC 2.0 or is it present in the latest version of DCS.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong.

[Vekkinho]

You're twisted ;)

 

Yeah, but 9G turns sound great!

[71st_Mastiff]

What tells you that LO FC 2.0 will have what DCS don't? :) You can read more about it here

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=34412&highlight=audacity&page=2

 

I don't know if I mentioned there that IIRC if Alchemy is used with DCS you will hear every bullet hitting the ground regardless of the distance, even in cockpit view. Quite a show stopper. Can anyone confirm the bug? I wonder if it will be present in FC 2.0 or is it present in the latest version of DCS.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

as far as I know its not in DCS Black shark more than likely fixed...I use the alchemy and it works for me...

[wolf_288]

Flaming Cliffs 2.0 cant find any chopper combat here ka-50><Apatche online???????

[Mustang]

Flaming Cliffs 2.0 cant find any chopper combat here ka-50><Apatche online???????

 

Check first page:

 

"Lock On: Flaming Cliffs 2.0 will feature the same world environment and game functionality as the Digital Combat Simulation (DCS) series and will be online compatible with the Ka-50 attack helicopter simulation DCS: Black Shark"

 

if you meant something else, i appologise :)

Edited November 29, 2009 by Mustang

[Shrike_UK]

I wont be buying it because i bought Black Shark, and was very disapointed with the DCS engine, I dont want to downgrade from LOMAC engine to DCS Engine. It was uninstalled from my PC a week after i bought it, but i still enjoy LOMAC FC 1.0 much more.

 

What i didnt like:

 

-the monitor resolution switching between menu and sim, this shortens the life of your monitor dramatically. Looks and feels like a Beta product because of this.

 

-the copy protection that has made my DVD player no longer read CDs even though i've uninstalled Black Shark now, and reinstalled windows it still has the problem and not only that, all of my freinds also have the same issue and so none of my freinds are buying another DCS product until the protection is removed. And as its stated here that the copy protection was an amazing success then that clearly will be never again that i buy a DCS sim.

 

It was uninstalled from my PC a week after buying it due to these problems but i still play Lock On as it has a better engine with no major faults.

 

What really amazes me about the decision to use DCS engine for FC 2.0:

 

-The map is smaller and so cannot do long flights with fixed wing aircraft. The DCS Map was made that way as Helicopters took longer to fly places so a larger map was not required.

 

-Who in their right mind would want to fly adversarial online in a Ka50 on a server where there are enemy aircraft that they cant shoot at. They would just get obliterated. Also, why bother with having Ka50s flying around in Coop either if your in a fixed wing. You can get the job done much quicker with a fixed wing, be home at base within an hour and the Ka50 wont have even got half way to target, LOL.:lol:

 

 

Sure, fix the switching of menus so it wont destroy my monitor, take off the copy protection so that it wont destroy my DVD player, give us the same size map as you get in Lock ON, and then i MIGHT buy it. But to honest, as you dont get anything other than a downgrade to DCS engine, i would much rather carry on with LOMAC FC 1.0 and wait for SOW:BOB.

[Glowing_Amraam]

"Downgrade" to DCS engine?

 

Maybe you should UPGRADE you pc? ;) Runs smooth as silk here.

And even during beta 1 of Black Shark (2006 or so), i have never had, to this day, any of the problems you are reffering to.

 

Noone is forcing you to buy any DCS title. As the series progress, you will really miss out on something big. Trust me.

[159th_Viper]

Phew!!......For a moment there I thought you were going to be Sticking Around ;)

 

 

.....i would much rather carry on with LOMAC FC 1.0......

 

 

:thumbup:

[Vekkinho]

FYI FC is 1.1

[104th_Crunch]

I'll tackle your post :)

 

I wont be buying it because i bought Black Shark, and was very disapointed with the DCS engine, I dont want to downgrade from LOMAC engine to DCS Engine...

 

DX9, Higher mesh terrain etc in DCS. This is not a downgrade

 

 

-the monitor resolution switching between menu and sim, this shortens the life of your monitor dramatically. Looks and feels like a Beta product because of this.

 

Wow! I never heard of such a thing. Do you have proof of changing resolution hurting your monitor. Also, I never saw what the big deal was about having a different executable for GUI and game.

 

-the copy protection that has made my DVD player no longer read CDs even though i've uninstalled Black Shark now, and reinstalled windows it still has the problem and not only that, all of my freinds also have the same issue and so none of my freinds are buying another DCS product until the protection is removed. And as its stated here that the copy protection was an amazing success then that clearly will be never again that i buy a DCS sim.

 

I am sorry you had problems. You can really guarantee that the same version of copy protection used in DCS trashed your drive? SF has been updated numerous times. I have never had an issue with it.

 

-The map is smaller and so cannot do long flights with fixed wing aircraft. The DCS Map was made that way as Helicopters took longer to fly places so a larger map was not required.

 

The map is not that much smaller. I bet KM wise, maybe 100-200kms. Between the new airbases in DCS and say Anapa, I bet it is over 400kms. This is not a short distance.

 

-Who in their right mind would want to fly adversarial online in a Ka50 on a server where there are enemy aircraft that they cant shoot at. They would just get obliterated. Also, why bother with having Ka50s flying around in Coop either if your in a fixed wing. You can get the job done much quicker with a fixed wing, be home at base within an hour and the Ka50 wont have even got half way to target, LOL.:lol:

 

It gives us another option. People can still host servers with dedicated A2G. You can also design missions that help the A2G. You may not want to fly a helo for A2G, but plenty of others will. It gives us more choice, always a good thing.

 

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I feel your negative views are unsubstantiated. Of course, I mean no offence. These are just my opinions as well.

[Feuerfalke]

LOL - downgrade to DCS.

 

That as much downgrading as going from a Smart to a Porsche.

 

 

-the monitor resolution switching between menu and sim, this shortens the life of your monitor dramatically. Looks and feels like a Beta product because of this.

The only thing where the resolution switches is in the multiplayer-screens. And in case these are really shown not only in a lower image-resolution but a different monitor setting, you should enable your graphics-card scaling and there you go.

 

 

-the copy protection that has made my DVD player no longer read CDs even though i've uninstalled Black Shark now, and reinstalled windows it still has the problem and not only that, all of my freinds also have the same issue and so none of my freinds are buying another DCS product until the protection is removed. And as its stated here that the copy protection was an amazing success then that clearly will be never again that i buy a DCS sim.

That is utter nonsense. DCS does no longer install drivers, so there simply cannot be a driver conflict that would cause such an effect.

Of course, if you removed the copy-protection by some pirate software, you might have collected yourself a virus or something which would then again explain your experiences. ;)

 

It was uninstalled from my PC a week after buying it due to these problems but i still play Lock On as it has a better engine with no major faults.

It's the same engine, just that DCS is more advanced and has more flaws from LockOn removed.

 

-The map is smaller and so cannot do long flights with fixed wing aircraft. The DCS Map was made that way as Helicopters took longer to fly places so a larger map was not required.

With one minor exception the map is the same. You probably mean "mission" not "map", but that lies in the hands of the mission-builder and has nothing to do with the engine.

 

-Who in their right mind would want to fly adversarial online in a Ka50 on a server where there are enemy aircraft that they cant shoot at. They would just get obliterated. Also, why bother with having Ka50s flying around in Coop either if your in a fixed wing.

Yeah, just that fixed wings are a much better target for AAA and SAMs, because they rarely fly as low as a helo. And since they fly so low, they won't be just easy targets for jets. In return, though, try to fight that Ka-50 that is taking your airbase defenses out, so his teammates can attack your base, or the other Ka-50 that fires it's missile, while you are still taxiing to your runway.

 

You can get the job done much quicker with a fixed wing, be home at base within an hour and the Ka50 wont have even got half way to target, LOL.:lol:

Really LOL - so much wanna-be-experience in DCS and you didn't notice that Ka-50s take off from FARPs. While you take off in your jet from 80 miles behind the lines, I will be taking off from my FARP some 5 miles behind the frontline and LOL when you drop your bombs on long-burned out targets. :P Edited November 29, 2009 by Feuerfalke

[Kuky]

the copy protection that has made my DVD player no longer read CDs even though i've uninstalled Black Shark now, and reinstalled windows it still has the problem and not only that, all of my freinds also have the same issue

 

What are the chances... thousands people on here and not one reported issue with StarForce and yet you AND ALL OF YOUR FRIENDS have an issue... what a load of crack :D

 

You're just a spammer obviously and no credibility in your post what so ever ;)

[ebabil]

there will be mouse clickable cockipts?

[Glowing_Amraam]

Nope, just for the KA-50. That's a DCS exclusive privelige ;)

[Rikus]

GA, we need a video to make our waiting easier :P

 

Greetings

[Raven434th]

I think ALOT of peoples concern is that FC has finally gotten to a point were its got decent performance on a middle of the road pc(with or without community mods)_...BS simply needs more horespower than FC to get the same performance.If FC gets the same engine as BS,what happens to our performance in FC??Sounds as though it will bottom out UNLESS it gets a good optimizing.Which I'm not so confident its goin to get.Can ED make any assurances that this will happen? In other words,if I "UPGRADE"...will it in fact be an upgrade?Or will I have to upgrade my pc to run it as I run FC now???This makes it doubly so if its a multiplayer session.

 

I thinks its only fair to note as well that I still run on XP not Windows 7

Edited November 29, 2009 by Raven434th

[edrom]

Hello,

 

What about the export.lua? is it the same than FC 1.12?

It will be good to have more informations (airbrakes...)

Thanks

[EtherealN]

Raven, note this entry in the FAQ:

 

Q: Will my Flaming Cliffs 1.12 missions work with Flaming Cliffs 2.0?

A: Due to a change in the world location and mission editor, they will not. However, when installing the upgrade you have the option to create both Flaming Cliffs 1.12 and Flaming Cliffs 2.0 parallel installs. Flaming Cliffs 1.12 and the upgraded Flaming Cliffs 2.0 will not be online compatible.

 

FC 1.12 will still have a life (how else would we have Crimean Air Races? :D ).

 

That said, yes, FC2 does have higher system requirements, but do note that those system requirements - even the recommended system - are composed mainly of hardware that is old enough that it isn't even sold anymore.

[IvanK]

Please Selectable display of Radar or Baro Alt on the HUD :) ... the Auto switchover over from Baro to Radar is driving me nuts.

[Bucic]

I think ALOT of peoples concern is that FC has finally gotten to a point were its got decent performance on a middle of the road pc(with or without community mods)_...BS simply needs more horespower than FC to get the same performance.If FC gets the same engine as BS,what happens to our performance in FC??Sounds as though it will bottom out UNLESS it gets a good optimizing.Which I'm not so confident its goin to get.Can ED make any assurances that this will happen? In other words,if I "UPGRADE"...will it in fact be an upgrade?Or will I have to upgrade my pc to run it as I run FC now???This makes it doubly so if its a multiplayer session.

It's good you mentioned that. There's something called "affinity trick". It allows DCS to take advantage of Multicore CPU's. The result is at least 15% increase (Vista+affinity trick vs XP) or even 40% (Vista+aff.trick vs Vista without the trick). Somewhere in between should be Win 7.

 

 

One can end up with DCS, or hypothetically FC 2.0, running at least as fast as LO FC. Now question to ED - will LO FC 2.0 take advantage of the "affinity trick"? If so you can bring some peace of mind for Raven and others by confirming this ;)

[EtherealN]

From what I've understood, FC2 is basically Lock On upgraded to the DCS engine (with an impressive amount of gameplay tweaks and fixes on top). So - yes, it should take advantage of the "affinity trick".

[GaryIKILLYOU]

I also made an edit of Lock on sound files so when I pull some serious G with AoA over limit my Nadia starts screaming for more...;)

OMG I need that! Can you PM me on how to do it? Thanks in advanced. :thumbup:

[Bucic]

From what I've understood, FC2 is basically Lock On upgraded to the DCS engine (with an impressive amount of gameplay tweaks and fixes on top). So - yes, it should take advantage of the "affinity trick".

You do realize that people, who just started jumping walls in happiness, may soon want to hang you on a tree branch if it will not work, right? :D

[EtherealN]

Occupational hazard. :D

 

But yes - "should". I am 99% sure since technically this should be more a case of DX and OS versions. So as long as a DCS-engined product sits on Vista or 7 the "trick" should work as expected. On XP it will not work since XP is crap.

 

But do note that I am a moderator, not a tester, so I can't add that final percent of certainty. ;)