WildBillKelsoe Posted October 26, 2013 Posted October 26, 2013 I'll take the Hawker Hunter please.. AWAITING ED NEW DAMAGE MODEL IMPLEMENTATION FOR WW2 BIRDS Fat T is above, thin T is below. Long T is faster, Short T is slower. Open triangle is AWACS, closed triangle is your own sensors. Double dash is friendly, Single dash is enemy. Circle is friendly. Strobe is jammer. Strobe to dash is under 35 km. HDD is 7 times range key. Radar to 160 km, IRST to 10 km. Stay low, but never slow.
howie87 Posted October 26, 2013 Posted October 26, 2013 I wonder why any 3rd part developers are not working at creating F-16 A or C !!! At least to hear about plans of it`s developing (Let it be even at LockOn-3 level) would be awesome! So many years passed, but ED team didn`t create Falcon in LO3. It is much easier than full-clickable aircraft and a lot of players will be attracted and ED will got money for that... I've given up hope for the Viper now and am looking forward to the Hornet now, even though it wasn't my first choice. From what I hear the situational awareness and cockpit workflow of the hornet is actually slightly better, even though it's not so impressive when it comes to pulling G's and going fast.
Blaze Posted October 26, 2013 Posted October 26, 2013 even though it's not so impressive when it comes to pulling G's and going fast. I beg to differ. :) i7 7700K | 32GB RAM | GTX 1080Ti | Rift CV1 | TM Warthog | Win 10 "There will always be people with a false sense of entitlement. You can want it, you can ask for it, but you don't automatically deserve it. "
Raven68 Posted October 26, 2013 Posted October 26, 2013 I beg to differ. :) I concur Blaze. This is an awesome demo of how this baby can turn. Thanks for sharing. :thumbup: I believe Howie's opinion is a matter of bias, but I cant blame him though. The viper's turning ability is impressive also. Intel i5-9600K @ 3.7GHz Gigabyte Z370XP SLI Mobo G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) 288-Pin DDR4 GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 2070 8GB 256-Bit GDDR6(Assume the latest driver version) Thermaltake Water 3.0 Certified Liquid Cooling System Windows 10 Professional Oculus Rift-S /TrackIR 5 in case VR dies Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog w/ Thrustmaster T-Flight Rudder Pedals
Python Posted October 26, 2013 Posted October 26, 2013 I beg to differ. :) Ahh man... I walked in the gates as this was landing... other halfs fault. I was a little annoyed. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Grigs Posted October 26, 2013 Posted October 26, 2013 (edited) I had already posted it somewhere else, but since we have people who enjoy Deasy's show... At Waddington as well http://vimeo.com/56215602 At Bodø It is a different way to film though. Edited October 26, 2013 by Grigs Sorry guys, I am unable to get vimeo codes to work
howie87 Posted October 27, 2013 Posted October 27, 2013 (edited) I believe Howie's opinion is a matter of bias, but I cant blame him though. The viper's turning ability is impressive also. Wrong. F-16C's are stressed to pull 9G in a standard configuration and can push Mach 2. They also have a higher thrust to weight ratio than the F/A-18C (1.095 vs 0.96) The older C model Hornets will only do 7.5G and Mach 1.8. Instantaneous and sustained turn performance are dependant on altitude and both are pretty damn comparable. High AoA, the hornet has the edge by a long way. I said the Viper is better at pulling G's and going fast. My opinion is based on facts. EDIT: Check out this article for a more detailed comparrison (as non-baised as you'll probably get). http://defence.pk/threads/f-16-vs-f-18-a-navy-test-pilots-perspective.169261/ Here's a taster.... "To accurately compare the Hornet's performance to the Viper's, I took off from the same runway. The Hornet needed 200 feet more than the Viper to get airborne at about the same speed, and at the end of the runway it had only 330 knots versus the Viper's 500-plus." "This jet can hurt you because it has absolutely no problem holding 9G, especially down low. The Hornet is limited to 7.5G by the flight-control software, even though the airframe can handle 9G" Edited October 27, 2013 by howie87
Blaze Posted October 27, 2013 Posted October 27, 2013 I knew as soon as that statement was made, this is where the conversation would head. Never fails. :lol: i7 7700K | 32GB RAM | GTX 1080Ti | Rift CV1 | TM Warthog | Win 10 "There will always be people with a false sense of entitlement. You can want it, you can ask for it, but you don't automatically deserve it. "
cichlidfan Posted October 27, 2013 Posted October 27, 2013 Well, neither aircraft floats in water very well. :P ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup:
howie87 Posted October 27, 2013 Posted October 27, 2013 I knew as soon as that statement was made, this is where the conversation would head. Never fails. :lol: What can I say... Nothing winds me up like a Hornet fanboy! ;)
EchoMasterMind Posted October 27, 2013 Posted October 27, 2013 Grab each others wing pylons, close your cockpits, take a deep turbine spool up, and say "I disagree, but I respect your opinion". ;) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Python Posted October 27, 2013 Posted October 27, 2013 I'm a Viper fan myself.. but aren't the Swiss F-18's able to do 9g's? May be a better comparison... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Grigs Posted October 27, 2013 Posted October 27, 2013 (edited) I'm a Viper fan myself.. but aren't the Swiss F-18's able to do 9g's? May be a better comparison... They are. But they have been limited to 7-7.5 in order to improve their lifetime. But I think Howie's argument is that F16s are better at it, because they can hold it longer. Now people could also argue about endurance and during how long each can fly. Edited October 27, 2013 by Grigs
howie87 Posted October 27, 2013 Posted October 27, 2013 They're both great aircraft. The vanilla hornet has the edge in avionics, slow speed handling and situational awareness. The Viper has the edge in sheer horsepower and high speed performance (less energy bleed). Then there's the fact the hornet has an extra engine and can land on a boat. I don't think one is 'better' than the other. I just appreciate their strengths and weaknesses.
Python Posted October 27, 2013 Posted October 27, 2013 It's a non argument really... we just need modules for both :thumbup: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Eddie Posted October 27, 2013 Posted October 27, 2013 I don't think one is 'better' than the other. I just appreciate their strengths and weaknesses. Indeed. But the Viper is better though.
howie87 Posted October 27, 2013 Posted October 27, 2013 Indeed. But the Viper is better though. Shhh... we both know that but I'm trying to be diplomatic!
Morbus Posted October 27, 2013 Posted October 27, 2013 Indeed. But the Viper is better though. Absolutely agree.
thinkr Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 DCS:Century Series Fighters Work Should Begin! Ha gotcha!...................................But no really! Wouldn't It Be Sweet To Have Full DCS LeveL of These Aircraft!!! Who's with me?:pilotfly::joystick::pilotfly::joystick::pilotfly::joystick::pilotfly: Post..... This is what you should read first! Century_Series North American F-100 Super Sabre McDonnell F-101 Voodoo Convair F-102 Delta Dagger Lockheed F-104 Starfighter Republic F-105 Thunderchief Convair F-106 Delta Dart Minus the dart! No one cares about a plane that had to have 60 updates and improvements to avionics by the time of its end... and was completely proved unreliable lol!!! Plus what is a dart its tiny, and that airframe was HUGE! and Stuooooooooooooooopid! F-86 Saber would be bad ass too! How Much interest is there for this! Modded CapLoz HeliosV2.1_1280x1024.zip 2x 1080p 22"Monitors, Saitek X52, Saitek Combat Rudder Pedals, Trackir5, Win7Pro Pro 64Bit, Intel Q9550 @3.8Ghz, EP45-UD3L, 8GB Ram, Nvidia 560Ti 2GB, 2x 500GB Velociraptor Flaming Cliffs 3 DCS:A10C,KA-50, Huey, Mi-8, WWII Euro 40+ Supporter, Mig21 Falcon 4 BMS IL-2 Sturmovik: 1946 Take on Helicopters Arma 2 AO + PMC + BF All Addons Series Arma 3 EECH & EEAH Medivac & Search and Rescue 4 Series
SkateZilla Posted November 1, 2013 Posted November 1, 2013 Ha gotcha!...................................But no really! Wouldn't It Be Sweet To Have Full DCS LeveL of These Aircraft!!! Who's with me?:pilotfly::joystick::pilotfly::joystick::pilotfly::joystick::pilotfly: Post..... This is what you should read first! Century_Series North American F-100 Super Sabre McDonnell F-101 Voodoo Convair F-102 Delta Dagger Lockheed F-104 Starfighter Republic F-105 Thunderchief Convair F-106 Delta Dart Minus the dart! No one cares about a plane that had to have 60 updates and improvements to avionics by the time of its end... and was completely proved unreliable lol!!! Plus what is a dart its tiny, and that airframe was HUGE! and Stuooooooooooooooopid! F-86 Saber would be bad ass too! How Much interest is there for this! http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=109596 :music_whistling::music_whistling: Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs
howie87 Posted November 1, 2013 Posted November 1, 2013 Gotta love the century series. These things must have looked like space ships when they first flew in the 50's. I'd love to see DCS Vietnam one day.
Gh0st007 Posted November 2, 2013 Posted November 2, 2013 DCS F-18C AKA - (The Classic hornet). First release the F-18C then you can do what ever you like. :P My system specification i9 13900000K/Game board - 64GB of random access memory / Galax 7090/ ViewSonic Elite XG320Q 32 Screen of monitor/ VPC Collective - VPC Sharka50 Grip / Trackir 5/ TPR/ Orion2 F/A-18 Throttle/VPC WarBRD Base/ Hornet grip/F-16 grip/ and most of all a ham sandwich.
Revan Posted November 4, 2013 Posted November 4, 2013 I pick a bomber like a B-52 or a TU-95 DCS: F-4E really needs to be a thing!!!!!! Aircraft: A-10C, Ka-50, UH-1H, MiG-21, F-15C, Su-27, MiG-29, A-10A, Su-25, Su-25T, TF-51
arkroyale048 Posted November 6, 2013 Posted November 6, 2013 The Super Hornet for me.... I'm itching to fly off a boat with DCS level fidelity. Irregular streamer: http://www.twitch.tv/arkroyale048/profile
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