DCS World 2.0 and New Maps Discussion Thread

[Eight Ball]

Is this something we should expect to see with other maps ?

Edited October 31, 2014 by Eight Ball

[NineLine]

Is this something we should expect to see with other maps ?

 

Probably, like the current map, some areas will be detailed some wont, I would expect Hormuz to be a larger detailed area than NTTR though.

[Abburo]

Probably, like the current map, some areas will be detailed some wont, I would expect Hormuz to be a larger detailed area than NTTR though.

 

 

I barely wait to slam down some desert useless towers :)))

[Eight Ball]

Probably, like the current map, some areas will be detailed some wont, I would expect Hormuz to be a larger detailed area than NTTR though.

What part of the caucasus map is more detailed ? I thought it was the same all across from Anapa to Tbilisi.

 

Or are you talking about the western part (Crimea,...) ?

 

I always thought the only reason we didn't have the "entire" map was because of the current engine and the number of objects (or something) it could handle.

And thus I thought EDGE would bring us fully (=all across the map) detailed terrain.

So I was wrong ? Everything will be prettier in EDGE but we'll remain with roughly the same limitation ? Or is it just about man power ?

[Flagrum]

What part of the caucasus map is more detailed ? I thought it was the same all across from Anapa to Tbilisi.

 

Or are you talking about the western part (Crimea,...) ?

 

I always thought the only reason we didn't have the "entire" map was because of the current engine and the number of objects (or something) it could handle.

And thus I thought EDGE would bring us fully (=all across the map) detailed terrain.

So I was wrong ? Everything will be prettier in EDGE but we'll remain with roughly the same limitation ? Or is it just about man power ?

I am not sure what you are really asking here, but I try to answer anyways ...

 

The current map has less details at the Crimeran penisula and Turkey. No streets, no buildings, not even trees. The reasons for that are probably, as you already said, limitations of the current engine, but also legal reasons (Ubi+LockOn vs. ED/DCS or so).

 

This will not change as ED does not intent to put more modelling work into the current map. The current map will "only" benefit from EDGE by the better and faster rendering capabilities of the new engine: the look may change and may improve, but not the geometry of the map.

 

New maps are modelled in different levels of detail in different areas. Areas where you are supposed to spend more time, like the airfields, are modelled in high(est) detail, whereas remote areas that you usually only see from angles 30 will contain less details. This includes not only objects like buildings, but also the ground as such as well. While there are areas where the elevation of the ground is modelled in up to 1 m steps (iirc), there are other areas with 10 m steps. This is done due to the time (= costs) it takes to model detailled terrain, not primarily because of limitations of the engine that might exist.

 

High detail areas of new maps seem to be far superior in detail than any area of the current map. My guess(!) would be, that in fact the "not-so-high" detailled areas are about the same detail level (maybe minus objects/buildings) as any area anywhere in Georgia.

 

That is how I understand the whole situation, based on postings from Matt and a grain of common sense (I hope ;o).

[S-GERAT]

While viewing the dcs-18c video posted yesterday I start to think how the included campaign should be when a question come to my mind..

 

If the new maps aren't free, the campaign should be placed in the Georgia map or include for example the straits of hormuz maps with the module.. Otherwise you can't play the campaign if you don't buy the optional map.. Obviously the release of f-18c is very far to know the details of the campaign, but somebody have read any statement about this ?

[NineLine]

While viewing the dcs-18c video posted yesterday I start to think how the included campaign should be when a question come to my mind..

 

If the new maps aren't free, the campaign should be placed in the Georgia map or include for example the straits of hormuz maps with the module.. Otherwise you can't play the campaign if you don't buy the optional map.. Obviously the release of f-18c is very far to know the details of the campaign, but somebody have read any statement about this ?

 

I would imagine Instant Action missions will need to be in Georgia, as for campaigns, I am not sure... I do know one thing... I dont know anyone in their right mind that wont want to have Hormuz anyways :)

[S-GERAT]

I would imagine Instant Action missions will need to be in Georgia, as for campaigns, I am not sure... I do know one thing... I dont know anyone in their right mind that wont want to have Hormuz anyways :)

 

Yes.. probably everybody buy the maps at the first moment, but if some renegade don't buy it.. I'm curious about what happen.. :megalol:

[NineLine]

Yes.. probably everybody buy the maps at the first moment, but if some renegade don't buy it.. I'm curious about what happen.. :megalol:

 

That renegade misses out, boo hoo for him ;)

[KRI3G]

That renegade misses out, boo hoo for him ;)

 

:megalol:

[Rocky49]

While viewing the dcs-18c video posted yesterday I start to think how the included campaign should be when a question come to my mind..

 

If the new maps aren't free, the campaign should be placed in the Georgia map or include for example the straits of hormuz maps with the module.. Otherwise you can't play the campaign if you don't buy the optional map.. Obviously the release of f-18c is very far to know the details of the campaign, but somebody have read any statement about this ?

 

Where is this video?

[cichlidfan]

Where is this video?

 

I am guessing that this is the video in question.

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=133030

[Anatoli-Kagari9]

Weather after EDGE...

 

I wonder what can be expected from the weather modeling in DCS World when EDGE becomes available.

 

It has long been mentioned that the weather models used in DCS are somehow outdated, and sometimes a source for negative comparisons with other flight simulators.

 

I find the turbulence modeled plausibly, but it completely vanishes above around 400', and we never get any kicking up at medium to high levels. It would be great to see this, as well as gusting winds, modeled in the future. Having the chance to set weather according to METAR strings would be even better...

[Slazi]

Run on a separate core?

[Anatoli-Kagari9]

Run on a separate core?

 

The weather engine probably already does. Isn't DCS already profiting from multiple COREs?

Edited November 2, 2014 by jcomm

[kripzoo]

More different cloud types and real time weather would be nice too, like fsx.

[winz]

I don't think we can expect anything different from what we have now. EDGE is a rendering engine and outside of rendering the defined weather it has nothing to do with weather system. So we may see nicer looking clouds or better overcasts, but the underlying system won't change.

[BavarianPilot]

The weather engine probably already does. Isn't DCS already profiting from multiple COREs?

 

The sound engine run on a seperate core.

[sotosev]

DCS world 2 is near and I would like to say.

Most important think of all for me is to have better FPS while playing a crowded mission.

Yes of course we need other maps to fly in but first I need a smoother game play!

[Raven68]

DCS world 2 is near and I would like to say.

Most important think of all for me is to have better FPS while playing a crowded mission.

Yes of course we need other maps to fly in but first I need a smoother game play!

 

Uhhhh I believe the two go hand in hand?? New maps/terrain = EDGE = better performance.

[rcjonessnp175]

Don't bet on it, you will need an uber system to run the new Engine at full boar graphics unless they dumb it down majorly. All those epicly detailed maps will use much more horsepower. Going to be great and I imagine their will be patches released after release to continue to improve performance. Hopefully nvidia and ati actually make really good profiles for the new engine.

 

I for one hope that yes you are correct and we get awesome performance, but won't know until we are actually flying in edge.

Edited November 2, 2014 by rcjonessnp175

[Buckeye]

Don't bet on it, you will need an uber system to run the new Engine at full boar graphics unless they dumb it down majorly. All those epicly detailed maps will use much more horsepower. Going to be great and I imagine their will be patches released after release to continue to improve performance. Hopefully nvidia and ati actually make really good profiles for the new engine.

 

 

Or it will utilize DX11, which most of our cards are built for, instead of DX9, which our cards aren't built for, and improve FPS via improved utilization...

[rcjonessnp175]

Many games out their that use dx11 and run like crap, dx11 doesn't automatically mean good performance. Yes it should be better performance and trust me I pray we don't end up like Arma 3......

[kontiuka]

Many games out their that use dx11 and run like crap, dx11 doesn't automatically mean good performance. Yes it should be better performance and trust me I pray we don't end up like Arma 3......

This is probably why ED is taking their time and optimizing as best they can.

[rcjonessnp175]

One would think... I'm really excited to fly this in 3d with all the new detail :)