dooom Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 I got into a discussion tonight with another guy whom challenged me on the money I spend on flight sim peripherals and games. In his opinion, this hobby of mine could not compare to his passion for hockey and was a poor excuse for entertainment. He asked a rather pointed question: If this is truely your "hobby" would you pay $500 or more for the perfect sim? In his mind - He'd pay $500 to see one 3 hour Stanley Cup. Even if it was a crappy game... Then he also pays for equipment, club fees, gas to the rink etc etc etc. If this was a passion on the same level, is there a market for a $500 simulation? Would we as consumers support the development of a sim that warranted that kind of cash? :huh: It got me thinking.... I might actually pay that kind of money. hell I dropped a load on my Warthog HOTAS and MiMo monitor anyway. Why wouldn't I for the core game? So i ask you.... what would a $500 game look like? ASUS Tuf Gaming Pro x570 / AMD Ryzen 7 5800X @ 3.8 / XFX Radeon 6900 XT / 64 GB DDR4 3200 "This was not in the Manual I did not read", cried the Noob" - BMBM, WWIIOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey45 Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 For 500 dollars......a bldy good one... The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. "Me, the 13th Duke of Wybourne, here on the ED forums at 3 'o' clock in the morning, with my reputation. Are they mad.." https://ko-fi.com/joey45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EbonySeraphim Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 That's a hard sell. I don't see the need for much more detail beyond what you get in the DCS games of the past few years. The only thing that would justify that large of a price tag in a single game would be if there were around 5-10 planes modeled to the level of A-10, and they had another region or two modeled. Also, a multithreaded engine - I'm a little peeved that my overclocked i7 is my bottleneck in BS2. Multicore has been standard for a while now, and developers have known it was coming long before it's been common place. CPU: 5950x || Memory: 64GB || GPU: RTX 4090 Input: Virpil CM3, TM F/A-18 Grip on Virpil WarBRD base, WW F-16EX grip on TM Warthog base, Virpil CP1 and CP2, Cougar MFD x2 / w CubeSim screens, StreamDeck XL x2, StreamDeck 15-key, TrackIR5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KLR Rico Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 For the right sim, yeah. $500 up front would be a hard pill to swallow though (and nearly impossible to get wife approval!) Maybe it'd be best to pay for add ons as you go? $100 for advanced AI, another $100 for the improved graphics engine, $50 for ATC/JTAC, and so on. i5-4670K@4.5GHz / 16 GB RAM / SSD / GTX1080 Rift CV1 / G-seat / modded FFB HOTAS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Necroscope Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 I've paid more than $1K for FSX and addons, excluding hardware and joysticks. So you won the challenge. ) P.S. I'm still sure that I'm perfectly normal specimen of human. ) Всех убью, один останусь! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 We already pay big $$$ for our sims. Look at the amount of money we spend on computers, flight sim peripherals, the actual flight sims and the time we put into learning and flying them. I'd say we spend a lot more. By "perfect sim" that will not exist in my lifetime. Even in real life things don't go right. The prefect sim will be were you feel the G's you pull, too many people out there use unreal moves and why not, they work in game, but wouldn't work in real life, you'd black out and kill yourself. People do not realize what even 4-6 G's do to you and how much harder it is to do anything....let alone 8-9 G's. Another thing is people/servers don't fly with failures on. After flying BMS for the last few months and seeing the prep that goes on before a sortie, makes FC2 look even more air quakeish. There is no prep time in FC2 for your flight. The briefing screen takes a quick second to look at. A $500 game would look like DCS graphics, BMS briefing/UI screens, the world modeled not just a small part of it, FC2 aircraft + lots more, it would be awesome to interlace something like Arma into it as well as Naval/subs all working together. I think that would be a good start. 1 i7-4820k @ 3.7, Windows 7 64-bit, 16GB 1866mhz EVGA GTX 970 2GB, 256GB SSD, 500GB WD, TM Warthog, TM Cougar MFD's, Saitek Combat Pedals, TrackIR 5, G15 keyboard, 55" 4K LED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron886 Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 The problem is it would have to be a perfect sim for ME, not a perfect sim for everybody. Which, really, would mean a complete, flexible, mod-able, inclusive simulation of Naval Aviation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leafer Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 If it's an F-16 then, NO! ED have been taking my money since 1995. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scheffchen Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 I would! 9900k, 2080TI, 64GB, ssd, valve index, Thrustmaster on virpil, virpil cm2 throttle, tpr pedals, mfd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobek Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 I got into a discussion tonight with another guy whom challenged me on the money I spend on flight sim peripherals and games. In his opinion, this hobby of mine could not compare to his passion for hockey and was a poor excuse for entertainment. If you ask me, the guy made a rather poor excuse of an argument. :) How can you equate passion and monetary expense? If he lived in walking distance of a hockey stadium, boom, his passion would decrease a lot? Sounds just not right. Good, fast, cheap. Choose any two. Come let's eat grandpa! Use punctuation, save lives! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EtherealN Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 I would. I've paid at least 10 times that on EVE Online (I really should make a postit about cancelling those accounts soon...), so that's actually less than what I paid for my Warthog HOTAS. I might raise my expectations though, but under a scheme similar to what RoF is doing it would definitely be possible for me to end up dropping that amount of cash. Something I just cannot understand is people who will happily pay hundreds of dollars to watch Bruce Springsteen, plus hotel, plus gas for travel etcetera etcetera. Rediculous money to spend on something that's over the same night, leaving you with only a hangover, sore throat, and burst eardrum. :P At least with a flight sim, the next day I still have it. :) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Daniel "EtherealN" Agorander | Даниэль "эфирныйн" Агорандер Intel i7 2600K @ 4.4GHz, ASUS Sabertooth P67, 8GB Corsair Vengeance @ 1600MHz, ASUS GTX 560Ti DirectCU II 1GB, Samsung 830series 512GB SSD, Corsair AX850w, two BENQ screens and TM HOTAS Warthog DCS: A-10C Warthog FAQ | DCS: P-51D FAQ | Remember to read the Forum Rules | | | Life of a Game Tester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutOnTheOP Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Looks like Cali's thinking along the same lines I am- I would most certainly pay $500 for the "perfect sim", but this sim would be a full virtual battlefield. Like Arma, but at a DCS level of fidelity, and a continent-sized play field. Take the Arma infantry interface, Steel Beasts Pro PE tank interface, 688i Hunter-Killer/ Dangerous Waters naval interface, DCS-level aircraft interface, a SAM operator simulation, FOPCSIM artillery/ FO interface, and put them all together into a single piece of software (or as modules to a common engine) with an enduring dynamic campaign. I would EASILY pay $500 for that. And still feel like I'd gotten a steal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leafer Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 In his circle, paying 500 dollars for a hockey game is probably considered baddass. This is the kind of person who wouldn't admit he cries at movies let alone play computer games. :D I still wouldn't pay for F-16 unless it's from ED or the Airforce. ED have been taking my money since 1995. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weasel75 Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Sure I'd pay - if you play subscribed-based games/sim like ww2online, this kind of money comes together easily... (if not at once, but over years). My perfect sim would include controllable armor/vehicles and infantery (kind of ARMA), but all detailed and "realistic" (unlike ARMA) :D basic for translators ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winz Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 (edited) I cannot image myself buying a sim for $500, but on the other hand I can image myself spending $500 for an airshow trip. Edited January 20, 2012 by winz The Valley A-10C Version Revanche for FC 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cichlidfan Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 I would. ... I might raise my expectations though, but under a scheme similar to what RoF is doing it would definitely be possible for me to end up dropping that amount of cash. I to would definately have higher expectations. Especially if we are talking about $500 right up front to buy the sim. Now when you break it down over time such as a subscription or the ROF model, then it would be easy to imagine spending that much and more. I have done it too! For example, I might hesitate to spend $20,000 on an aquarium setup but I can promise you I have spent more than that on the hobby over the years, with little hesitation at all.:P ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
159th_Viper Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 For example, I might hesitate to spend $20,000 on an aquarium setup but I can promise you I have spent more than that on the hobby over the years, with little hesitation at all.:P QFT! Back in S.A. I was running a 350 gallon marine setup with Drip filter/UV/Protein Skimmers/Coral Lighting etc etc and stocked I don't even want to know how much I spent stocking and maintaining, especially after the introduction of a Snowflake Moray......:music_whistling: :megalol: As to the $500 pricetag for a SIM? Would depend I suppose. If someone told me 5 years ago I would be dropping £300-odd pounds on a HOTAS system I would have told them to get knotted! Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbySpike Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 ...My perfect sim would include controllable armor/vehicles and infantery (kind of ARMA), but all detailed and "realistic" (unlike ARMA) :D Yeah, a complete war-sim including land/see/air combat and a strategic command guiding the simmers :) All featuring a DCS level of realism and hundreds of players playing online without lags :D I would easily pay 500 bucks for something like this. I'm pretty sure this dream will come true someday. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] "It's a good landing, if you can still get the doors open" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom88 Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 (edited) My Thrustmaster WartHog Hotas + Nividia 580 GTX =$1000 right there,That's only the start! I'd gladly pay $500 for a Highly detailed polished F/A-18C or E,F Sim with realistic Naval OPS. Edited January 20, 2012 by Phantom88 Patrick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 $500 for a sim? Hell, I'd pay $500 for a decent mission planner and weapon delivery planner I could use to set up my DTC and calculate my attack profiles etc. Spoiler Intel 13900K (5Ghz), 64Gb 6400Mhz, MSi RTX 3090, Schiit Modi/Magi DAC/AMP, ASUS PG43UQ, Hotas Warthog, RealSimulator FSSB3, 2x TM MFDs + DCS MFDs, MFG Crosswinds, Elgato Steamdeck XL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boberro Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 I wouldn't :) Reminder: Fighter pilots make movies. Bomber pilots make... HISTORY! :D | Also to be remembered: FRENCH TANKS HAVE ONE GEAR FORWARD AND FIVE BACKWARD :D ಠ_ಠ ツ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vekkinho Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Guess I already did...my new computer being exclusive for DCS/FC was over 2.000€... Got no time for other "games"... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbySpike Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Hell, if EDs sales person reads here, we're screwed :p [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] "It's a good landing, if you can still get the doors open" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 If this was a passion on the same level, is there a market for a $500 simulation? Would we as consumers support the development of a sim that warranted that kind of cash? No, full stop, end of story. As you may have noticed, flight sims are priced more or less like other games. There's a reason for this, but I'll leave this as an exercise for the reader. Your friend is comparing apples and oranges. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krunkskimo Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 It would have to be an all aspect open world Fighter Ace /WW2 online/BF3 on DCS steroids type of game. I would fork out 60 dolalrs for a graphics and FX package that brings DCS to todays standard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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