BTTW-DratsaB Posted April 30, 2012 Posted April 30, 2012 (edited) Just don't come complaining, that it is not worth the money aka "too expensive". This is a personal thing. Basically you go whining to the Rolls Royce shop, that their cars are waaaaay too expensive! ...which is ridiculous, because we are talking about luxury goods anyway. Its not complaining, its giving feed back to ED. Which I'm sure they appreciate, and he has every right to let them know how he feels. They would do themselves no favours ignoring feedback from consumers about price. I can't decide whether to buy it or not, I think if it was 10 cheaper it would be a no-brainer. For just one plane it may be a bit much. I wouldn't like to pay this kind of money for every new DCS module that is just a single vehicle. Of course die hard fans on here will say "I don't care, charge up the wazoo. It helps with development and it's a cheap hobby" etc. But for evey other normal consumer, it might make them hold off for a sale or price drop. /me Ill probably regret saying this, but brand new RoF planes are at maximum, half of the price of DCS P51. *Que statements about how P51 is way more detailed than any RoF plane. - Personally, I don't think any less work goes into their efforts. They put a lot of work into the 3d modelling, textures and handling, weapons, Flight model, damage model etc etc. Of course it makes good business sense to charge as much as you think you can get away with initially I guess :D Edited April 30, 2012 by BTTW-DratsaB Specs: GA-Z87X-UD3H, i7-4770k, 16GB, RTX2060, SB AE-5, 750watt Corsair PSU, X52, Track IR4, Win10x64. Sim Settings: Textures: ? | Scenes: ? |Water: ? | Visibility Range: ? | Heat Blur: ? | Shadows: ? | Res: 1680x1050 | Aspect: 16:10 | Monitors: 1 Screen | MSAA: ? | Tree Visibility: ? | Vsync: On | Mirrors: ? | Civ Traffic: High | Res Of Cockpit Disp: 512 | Clutter: ? | Fullscreen: On
3instein Posted April 30, 2012 Posted April 30, 2012 price? It's about average for a new game. I would happily pay a bit of a premium for DCS quality and if it helps support the development of new modules then I'll gladly cough up. I'd rather see this going to the developers than some middle man like EA. Saying that though, im not sure the P-51D appeals to me. I'll have to see some videos first. Yep average for a new game,but It isn't a new game you are getting it's only an aircraft to play in the game you paid for already.Saying that I don't think the price is over the top and sounds reasonable to me. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]Keep the faith AMD PHENOM II X 4 955be @3.2 GHZ | ASUS M4A88TD-V EVO mb | Corsair XMS3-8GB Dual Channel DDR3 Memory | Nvidea GTX 580 GDDR5 GPU | CNPS9900 NT cooler | Corsair HX850W psu | Seagate Barracuda 500GB HD 300 MBps - 7200 rpm | WIN 7 64bit | 32" HD LCD TV | 5.1 surround sound | wireless keyboard and mouse | Saitek x45 hotas.
HiJack Posted April 30, 2012 Posted April 30, 2012 Havent read the tread at all. Just want to say DCS: P-51D Mustang is worth every penny! Even in the beta stage! (HJ)
WarthogSmurf Posted April 30, 2012 Posted April 30, 2012 Havent read the tread at all. Just want to say DCS: P-51D Mustang is worth every penny! Even in the beta stage! (HJ) Same here even tho it is more a fun aircraft i will fly it when i just want to enjoy fun. Great cockpit and I dare to say better the IL-2
104th_Crunch Posted April 30, 2012 Posted April 30, 2012 You can't compare a simulation to a mass appeal video game. This is a speciality market where you can count the companies that develop simulations on 1 hand. Paying a premium price is not unreasonable. This aint gonna sell like Call Of Duty. I would gladly pay a premium to support the excellent work of ED and to help make sure they stay in business.
Flim Posted April 30, 2012 Posted April 30, 2012 The more money ED makes. the better the products! I've bought A10 and BS twice...
falcon_120 Posted April 30, 2012 Posted April 30, 2012 I find it cheap,taking into account resources needed to develop a simulator like DCS not a fps.
Jona33 Posted April 30, 2012 Posted April 30, 2012 I find it cheap,taking into account resources needed to develop a simulator like DCS not a fps. I agree, I was quite impressed with 40$. Always remember. I don't have a clue what I'm doing
*Rage* Posted April 30, 2012 Posted April 30, 2012 In short no. $40 is fine by me. Really I get years of gaming out of ED releases. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 64th "Scorpions" Aggressor Squadron Discord: 64th Aggressor Squadron TS: 195.201.110.22
Impact Posted April 30, 2012 Author Posted April 30, 2012 Let´s compare the A10C module with the P51 module. With the A10C you have a combat air craft which fits the theatre, including multiple campaigns, complex avionics, many different weapons, much stuff to learn. You can put many more hours into the Warthog than into the P51. What is in the package of P51? The plane and not much else. You don´t have a fitting theatre for it, no opponent to fight but another P51. You can´t build realistic missions or campaigns with it. It is still the same theatre which is as old as the Flanker series. At least with the FSX modules you can fly all over the world. There are just not as many possibilities with it. I thought that P51 was more of a little side project, which didn´t use up many resources, which would put the price down. Of course people will now call me a cheap asshole, who screams for free 2 play, while thinking that Call of Duty is the best thing ever. I am not. I bought the Flankers, Lock On, Black Shark 1&2, A10C, pretty much anything by ED. But I am also not a blind fanboy and I am not complaining. I am just giving my feedback why I think that the product is too expensive for some people. ------=:: I FLY BLEIFREI ::=------
EvilBivol-1 Posted April 30, 2012 Posted April 30, 2012 As already pointed out by others, $40 is a reduced price point compared to the original price of A-10C, which was $60. Of course whether $40 is an appropriate price for you personally is only up to you, but it is not an accurate comparison with the A-10C price point as they are not the same at launch time. - EB [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Nothing is easy. Everything takes much longer. The Parable of Jane's A-10 Forum Rules
Mugenjin Posted April 30, 2012 Posted April 30, 2012 By drawing the comparison to the A-10, I rather get the impression that it was quite a steal for 60$. Anyway the P-51 is worth 40$ to me personally.
EvilBivol-1 Posted April 30, 2012 Posted April 30, 2012 I rather get the impression that it was quite a steal for 60$I personally agree with that completely. - EB [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Nothing is easy. Everything takes much longer. The Parable of Jane's A-10 Forum Rules
mmaruda Posted May 1, 2012 Posted May 1, 2012 Comparing prices with other PC entertainment software $40 is a steep price for just one plane. Let's face it, it's not a full game, just an addon. If you guys think it's worth it, go ahead. I'll wait till it's cheaper and the bugs get fixed. Just remember, that A-10 was $60 because some overenthusiastic people here said they are willing to pay that much for it. FC2 and BS1 were left without support (with confirmed bugs etc) and the updates for them ended up as paid sequels. Don't be surprised if the next DCS will be $100 because a few rich boys here will say it's a steal (FYI: stealing = free). Oh, and I just love the FSX addons argument, but I have a better one: collectable card game players! They pay a fortune for their decks, and that is not even half as much value for money as the FSX addons.
joey45 Posted May 1, 2012 Posted May 1, 2012 25 quid for a new Sim/Game.. Thats a bargin in my books. The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. "Me, the 13th Duke of Wybourne, here on the ED forums at 3 'o' clock in the morning, with my reputation. Are they mad.." https://ko-fi.com/joey45
MTFDarkEagle Posted May 1, 2012 Posted May 1, 2012 Quite so joey! Imagine the amount of hours of simming you get for that amount of money! For me personally the Ka-50: I got that when it was first released, and that cost.. 50 euros or so at the time (end 2008 I got it I think...). And I'm STILL to this day flying the black shark nearly every day! Lukas - "TIN TIN" - 9th Shrek Air Strike Squadron TIN TIN's Cockpit thread
Cali Posted May 1, 2012 Posted May 1, 2012 It's already been said, if you don't like it don't buy it. If you don't like the $40 dollar price tag which isn't bad, don't by it. I didn't buy it and I'm not going to buy it, not because it's $40 dollars, because I don't like old aircraft. Well, I haven't even bought A-10C yet, but do have BS2. I do hope it does good for our gaming sake. i7-4820k @ 3.7, Windows 7 64-bit, 16GB 1866mhz EVGA GTX 970 2GB, 256GB SSD, 500GB WD, TM Warthog, TM Cougar MFD's, Saitek Combat Pedals, TrackIR 5, G15 keyboard, 55" 4K LED
Krebs20 Posted May 1, 2012 Posted May 1, 2012 I don't have 40$ for flight sims atm. I have to put gas in my car and pay rent. Maybe it will go on sale for Christmas. Dcs world if free and I have work to do there for now. P51 is out of my price range for now. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
GGTharos Posted May 1, 2012 Posted May 1, 2012 Comparing prices with other PC entertainment software $40 is a steep price for just one plane. Actually it is average market price for a high quality add-on. Just remember, that A-10 was $60 because some overenthusiastic people here said they are willing to pay that much for it. Actually it is average market price for a game. FC2 and BS1 were left without support (with confirmed bugs etc) and the updates for them ended up as paid sequels. Why should new functionality be offered for free? Don't be surprised if the next DCS will be $100 because a few rich boys here will say it's a steal (FYI: stealing = free). Yes, be surprised. ED has always sold at market price. They pay a fortune for their decks, and that is not even half as much value for money as the FSX addons. And how do card games compare to flight sims? :) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
shagrat Posted May 1, 2012 Posted May 1, 2012 (edited) I must say that I have a big problem with "the rich guys" attitude. As I stated in this thread already I'm of the oppinion, that it is about what you desperately want to have. Or you get quite what you want for a certain price. It is not about being rich or poor. I for example don't consider myself rich. A lot of people around me have a bigger and much more expensive car than me. They use their money to by big shiny BMWs, I use the same money to buy a small affordable car plus Simulations, special Joysticks like the TM HOTAS Warthog and other equipment for my Sim Hobby. So because I spend my money on Sims I go to the local car dealer and start complaining that the BMW is too expensive and I want to buy it for 15.000 EUR and not 45.000 EUR, because that is too expensive (remember, I already put the money into something considered more valauble!)... Guess what this guy would tell me? As for the $40 aka 32 EUR. If you don't have the money for it, just put what money you have left after paying rent, clothes, gas and the other necessities aside. Now do so with every other income over the next months until you can afford it, or the price drops. That worked for me since childhood times :D just had 15 pence and the bubblegum with the tatoo stickers was 50 pence, did some housework waited a week for the next money to come and voila, I could afford the bubble gum... Edited May 1, 2012 by shagrat Shagrat - Flying Sims since 1984 - Win 10 | i5 10600K@4.1GHz | 64GB | GeForce RTX 3090 - Asus VG34VQL1B | TrackIR5 | Simshaker & Jetseat | VPForce Rhino Base & VIRPIL T50 CM2 Stick on 200mm curved extension | VIRPIL T50 CM2 Throttle | VPC Rotor TCS Plus/Apache64 Grip | MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals | WW Top Gun MIP | a hand made AHCP | 2x Elgato StreamDeck (Buttons galore)
RIPTIDE Posted May 1, 2012 Posted May 1, 2012 I hope they charge €500 for FC3. Get rid of all these peasants. :D [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Boberro Posted May 1, 2012 Posted May 1, 2012 I can understand complains of "Eastern" European citizens or other poor world's regions, but if somebody from West says it is too much....I don't get it. For such people 40 bucks is nothing at all.... so what's the problem? Reminder: Fighter pilots make movies. Bomber pilots make... HISTORY! :D | Also to be remembered: FRENCH TANKS HAVE ONE GEAR FORWARD AND FIVE BACKWARD :D ಠ_ಠ ツ
BTTW-DratsaB Posted May 1, 2012 Posted May 1, 2012 (edited) Even if you can afford it, you are a fool to pay a high price for some thing that is over priced. It sends a bad message to the developer and turns away people who have common sense. No one likes getting ripped off. (PS I am not calling P51 a rip off!! More...optimistically priced :) ) And ED would be fools to bury their head in the ground believing that beacuse fans on their forum say they think its a good price, that it is. ( I mean there are people here who bought their sims TWICE!! Not a very good representation of the savvy consumer) I believe they are trying the absolute maximum price they can get away with. Which I guess you can't blame them for. I think €20 more reasonable. To me this is more like DLC. It's just one plane. I equate it to Arma's British Armed Forces DLC, Or the Handley Page 0/400 for Rise Of flight. Both of which are half the price of this addon. If it came with another plane or a terrain, or a even a campaign... maybe then you could charge Expansion pack price for it. Don't Forget all the people who don't post on this forum who will look at the price, ignore it and keep DCS in the realm of the enthusiast instead of the wider market..where all the money is. Personally, given that it looks like addon content is the way things will go now within DCS, I dont relish the prospect of spending €30 on every new single vehicle added to the sim. That could get expensive very quickly Edited May 1, 2012 by BTTW-DratsaB Specs: GA-Z87X-UD3H, i7-4770k, 16GB, RTX2060, SB AE-5, 750watt Corsair PSU, X52, Track IR4, Win10x64. Sim Settings: Textures: ? | Scenes: ? |Water: ? | Visibility Range: ? | Heat Blur: ? | Shadows: ? | Res: 1680x1050 | Aspect: 16:10 | Monitors: 1 Screen | MSAA: ? | Tree Visibility: ? | Vsync: On | Mirrors: ? | Civ Traffic: High | Res Of Cockpit Disp: 512 | Clutter: ? | Fullscreen: On
Depth Posted May 1, 2012 Posted May 1, 2012 If you're in Norway... ...buy it online for American prices :thumbup: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
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