Oculus Rift and DCS World Discussion

[Chivas]

Debating If I want to get a DK2 just to help out with that... Then keep it as a backup for Consumer Verwion.

 

I doubt the Consumer gets a higher resolution due to the restriction of the HDCP->MIPI conversion chip,

The 1440p MIPI conversion chip is still very rare, and 4K is prolly a year+ away.

 

Unless OR and others dump the Mobile Phone use or remove the HDMI->MIPi requirement.

 

1440p would be the peak if they hope to release anytime soon. And that would require new.screen controller daughter board and fster MIPI chip capable of 1440p*@75Hz.

 

I have the DK2, but would never recommend it, as the resolution isn't near good enough. The consumer version will probably have two displays like the Crescent Bay, and will quite likely be higher resolution custom displays built especially for VR now that Oculus has partnered with Samsung, and helped them develop the tech required for their GearVR Samsung headset.

[rcjonessnp175]

Dk2 has enough resolution, and with dcs 2.0 having the gui squared away it will be a much better experience. Plus I imagine down sampling will be doable in dcs 2.0 so another plus their.

[rcjonessnp175]

You guys really need to get over the whole resolution thing. Currently everything is very operational aka Flying and operating in an A10c with the DK2. Maybe me being in the military its second nature for me to adapt and overcome obstacles. Take some time and retrain yourselves and honestly you will notice you fly more tactically and more realistically rather than using the uber zoom and such with a 2d screen.

Dont let these guys swade you into not getting an DK2 its your money and i was having a hard time last month when i bought mine on weather i should or should not get one. Very glad i did. If you have the hardware you can push things in this sim to make it very operational with the DK2. At least with my experiences. The resolution will come someday but not anytime soon. The Cv1 will be a great upgrade and very much operational in Dcs world 2.0 when it comes out.

[Flim]

I agree with RCj as well, the res is usable now. Is it perfect, no... but 2 1080 screens compared to one split (DK2), that will be mucho better. I can't wait...

[hansangb]

*and* the thing that some may miss is the incredible immersion that comes with DK2. When you fly with your head turned back to track your gun run, while flying is an incredible feeling. If you say "TrackIR can do that" well...it can't. Your brain knows you're cheating by rotating your head a little bit, but your eyes are facing forward. In DK2, it happens like in real life. It's hard to describe, but you also "feel" the altitude and speed. It more than makes up for the OK-but-not-yet-great resolution part.

 

hsb

[rcjonessnp175]

*and* the thing that some may miss is the incredible immersion that comes with DK2. When you fly with your head turned back to track your gun run, while flying is an incredible feeling. If you say "TrackIR can do that" well...it can't. Your brain knows you're cheating by rotating your head a little bit, but your eyes are facing forward. In DK2, it happens like in real life. It's hard to describe, but you also "feel" the altitude and speed. It more than makes up for the OK-but-not-yet-great resolution part.

 

hsb

 

Amen

[Chivas]

The emersion is great, and some people might find the DK2 resolution works good enough for them, but I don't, and much better headsets/optimized for CV1 software/drivers will be available by the end of this year, or early next year. Once people see the new headsets, most people will forget about their DK2, and buy a new one. If you want a DK2 now, by all means buy one, but you will be spending another three hundred dollars in less than a year for the consumer version.

[Burnerski]

Awesome. So I guess Titan X is calling me.

 

R/

Edited March 31, 2015 by Burnerski

[Abburo]

I just tested a DK2.

 

My feedback is: I will never buy such device. I will never use such device even if it will be for free. The sickness that produced to me was too much more painfull I ever thought.

[rcjonessnp175]

I just tested a DK2.

 

My feedback is: I will never buy such device. I will never use such device even if it will be for free. The sickness that produced to me was too much more painfull I ever thought.

 

Lol sucks to be you. I assume you get motion sickness easily and can't bear to fly in a real aircraft? Vr will not be for everybody.

[KaspeR32]

I just tested a DK2.

 

My feedback is: I will never buy such device. I will never use such device even if it will be for free. The sickness that produced to me was too much more painfull I ever thought.

 

Good thing you never tried DK1. :megalol: But yeah, that does suck for you.

[Abburo]

Vr for sure will not be for everyone and I am extremly happy with that. Regarding my motion sicknes, I don't know what to say , but had no problems while flying light acrobacy as pasanger in real life. This device however produced me discomfort even when i just put them on my head.k

[rcjonessnp175]

Vr for sure will not be for everyone and I am extremly happy with that. Regarding my motion sicknes, I don't know what to say , but had no problems while flying light acrobacy as pasanger in real life. This device however produced me discomfort even when i just put them on my head.k

 

Weird I would make sure you have the ipd adjusted for you and try both sets of lenses. Also make sure it's running at 75fps. When I had sli on and stuff wasn't working properly it was definately sickening. It's definately not plug and play stage yet.

[Frusheen]

I think it's Nate Mitchell at Oculus has said many times that he gets very bad VR sickness. The latest 90Hz models at oculus have reportedly cured that for him.

 

What did you try in the rift? Dcs is far from the best experience unless on a top end pc, at least for now. I do get a bit queasy if I spend extended periods in dcs (>1hour). I am certain that my issue is all tied to frame rate and pixel density though. Smoother running titles cause me no issues. VR sickness and motion sickness are not the same thing although they feel similar. I'm looking forward to dcs world 2 and hopefully frame rate improvements.

[vicx]

I would agree that the DK2 is not a solution that will work for everyone. I don't get motion sick but I sometimes I do experience eye strain.

 

Would be interested to know techniques for avoiding eye strain.

[norwegianwiking]

probably been covered in the last ~400 pages, but reading it all would take for ever.

 

One youtuber who tested DCS A10C with DK2 stated that the resolution was to low to comfortably read dials and HUD, is this something that will be resolved for commercial release?

 

I REALLY want to fly with a Oculus, just the descriptions of the feeling of actually sitting in a cockpit would be worth it.

 

But i imagine it will have to wait untill the pricepoint of the Oculus + hardware comes down, which hopefully will be around the time i need a new computer anyways.

[rcjonessnp175]

probably been covered in the last ~400 pages, but reading it all would take for ever.

 

One youtuber who tested DCS A10C with DK2 stated that the resolution was to low to comfortably read dials and HUD, is this something that will be resolved for commercial release?

 

I REALLY want to fly with a Oculus, just the descriptions of the feeling of actually sitting in a cockpit would be worth it.

 

But i imagine it will have to wait untill the pricepoint of the Oculus + hardware comes down, which hopefully will be around the time i need a new computer anyways.

 

Time will only tell. Assumptions tell us that yes the cv1 should be perfectly usable for numerous reasons one being higher resolution with two screens. One per eye makes a huge difference. I wouldn't expect prices to be at the 350 mark....

[Chivas]

probably been covered in the last ~400 pages, but reading it all would take for ever.

 

One youtuber who tested DCS A10C with DK2 stated that the resolution was to low to comfortably read dials and HUD, is this something that will be resolved for commercial release?

 

I REALLY want to fly with a Oculus, just the descriptions of the feeling of actually sitting in a cockpit would be worth it.

 

But i imagine it will have to wait untill the pricepoint of the Oculus + hardware comes down, which hopefully will be around the time i need a new computer anyways.

 

The consumer version will be much better than the Crescent Bay prototype, just as the Crescent Bay is much better than the DK2. The pricepoint of the initial consumer version will be relatively low, between 200, and 400 dollars, with the developer suggesting they will try to sell the Oculus at cost. Vive has suggested their hardware will be more expensive, but include an input device, that flight simmers won't require. No word yet if Vive will be supported by any flight sims. That said its way to early to make a decision on which headset to buy.

 

The bigger question and probably one that will cost us much more money, is the computer system required to run VR effectively. Hopefully the VR hardware/software, and CPU/GPU drivers/software can be optimized enough to not require very expensive Titan etc parts .

[norwegianwiking]

the GPU side is somewhat concerning, don't know my current frames but when people are talking about 75+ fps to make it run smooth, i don't know if i've ever had a computer capable of running a game at 75 fps, not a recent one anyway.

 

Worst case scenario, throwing money at the Oculus Rift people on release will be akin to lighting it on fire, much better to simply wait patiently to see if it works and if people experience everything from eye pain and nausea to strokes or Sudden And Unexpected Combustion™® of the face, or it turns out to be a CIA\Evil Corporation\Bond villain (insert your tin-foil flavor as appropriate) conspiracy to brainwash a large group of people at once.

[Major Marvel]

DCS and the Oculus Rift

 

Hi All

 

New here and hope to become a regular visitor,thing is before I purchase/try DCS there are a couple of things I would like to know,(the answers are probably scattered all over the forums so its easier to just ask them here).

 

-Do I need the version on steam to make my oculus rift work,or can I use the version that been offered on this site. (I prefer the version on this site,installing steam gives me the feeling its taking over my PC.....(I know but its personal :music_whistling:)

 

-I have a AMD card are the issues concerning AMD cards and the oculus rift resolved ?

 

 

Thanks for your help

 

Marvel

 

:pilotfly:

[rcjonessnp175]

Sorry to say Amd cards and the rift don't work. You will have to wait for dcs 2.0 and hope it works in that.

[Home Fries]

I know the ED version of DCSW has an "Autodetect Occulus Rift" checkbox in the options menu, so I imagine the capabilities are identical to the Steam version.

 

Actually, I can't imagine that the capabilities between versions differ at all; the only change would be the update mechanism (and the fact that Steam no longer accepts ED's serial numbers, but that's a service issue).

 

EDIT: looks like the issue is OBE given the AMD incompatibility.

[Chivas]

Some people are prone to favor one headset, or another for various reasons, sometimes irrationally, but I doubt many people will blindly throw their money at Vive, Sony, or Oculus etc. without checking the VR specs, system requirements, and the available software.

[Guest deeplodokus]

not sure if this is the right thread, but... has anyone tried DCS with google cardboard? i tried this and while it works, the focus was really bad and it was really painful for the eyes in cockpit; it looks pretty cool with outside view though

i found this that, if i understand well, would fix the problem, but i couldn't get this to work

anyone else has tried this?

thanks!

[SkateZilla]

Sharp just unvieled a 4k phone display w/ 800 ppi

 

Compared to 400~ of DK2