Fw-190D9 Discussion

[GeorgeLKMT]

Does not change anything...

 

Doesn't it? How German law applies to somebody uploading textures with swastikas to ED server (when neither server or company itself is German)? I know there are laws in other countries about displaying such symbols as well, but as stated above, it could be treated like art.

Plus there are many games with swastikas in it and also tons of repaints for FSX (or whatever) aircraft. Even A2A sells Heinkel bomber with swastikas on tail. And nobody sues those repainters or game developers just because Germany has law about it. It could be just censored there. So ED will release textures without them, some good guy will add them and everybody will be happy. :)

[NineLine]

Doesn't it? How German law applies to somebody uploading textures with swastikas to ED server (when neither server or company itself is German)? I know there are laws in other countries about displaying such symbols as well, but as stated above, it could be treated like art.

Plus there are many games with swastikas in it and also tons of repaints for FSX (or whatever) aircraft. Even A2A sells Heinkel bomber with swastikas on tail. And nobody sues those repainters or game developers just because Germany has law about it. It could be just censored there. So ED will release textures without them, some good guy will add them and everybody will be happy. :)

 

I am sure there is no games/sims sold in Germany with swastikas on it (and I think ED appreciates its customers in Germany), I am also sure that at least one German has downloaded a song, movie or something else they were not supposed to at some point (like everybody else on planet earth), it doesnt make it right and within German law :)

 

As you said... someone will paint them... I painted versions of captured P-51Ds, uploaded them here without the swastika, but uploaded them to LockOn Files with the swastika... so I am sure the same will happen with the 190 eventually.

[Razor5-1]

Lads I think keeping the discussion on track with regards to the Fw-190D-9 is a better option rather than getting caught up in a debate about a symbol!

 

Let's get talking about the Dora again!

[Konrad Friedrich]

How German law applies to somebody uploading textures with swastikas to ED server (when neither server or company itself is German)?

 

@GeorgeLKMT:

Ooops, I think there is a little misunderstanding.

These laws apply of course only to Germany (and Austria).

 

@SiThSpAwN:

Right. No swastika in games or sims in germany.

Games and sims are considered as entertainment.

Swastikas have to be removed.

 

@Razor5-1:

Sure.

But I think at least Frogisis and SiThSpAwN (and GeorgeLKMT) found that topic interesting. :smilewink:

 

Ok. back to topic :smartass: :pilotfly:

[jers]

So while I appreciate the thought of putting the 190 in the game...

 

What was the point of putting in a plane that defies the laws of physics? It honestly makes the FC3 flight model look stellar in comparison.

 

When the thing can gain 1000ft in altitude going 29 kts pulling 6g's there's a bit of a problem :helpsmilie: dog fighting it is a complete joke, you can't do half of what it can without tipping over into a wing stall... it was just shooting us down left and right 3v1... it just gets in a turn with you, then it inexplicably starts fluttering with 100 aileron rolls while rapidly climbing, and then he's magically on your tail.

Edited May 3, 2013 by jers

[laheugan]

it also catches up to a Su-27 on full burner at 1500 (the Fw from 100m) and one burst takes out the wings and engine

[Acidictadpole]

it just gets in a turn with you, then it inexplicably starts fluttering with 100 aileron rolls while rapidly climbing, and then he's magically on your tail.

 

Maybe it's the fluttering, and it's using its ailerons moving up and down rapidly for extra propulsion.

[Konrad Friedrich]

hm...

I allways get him...

And I can follow most of his moves and tricks...

The only thing that I don't like is that the 190 AI plays this 'climb-till-stall' game like the P-51 AI.

 

Energyefficient flying is essential.

You really need to trim the P-51 continuously.

 

I can do a track file and a small movie dogfighting with the Focke Wulf if that will help.

Just drop a note.

[Peter22]

F109?

 

Hummm by the way we are going it is going to cost me lot more I was expecting to get the multirole (F/18..F15 E) that I am waiting for. Dont take me wrong , I owned all DCS modules but to be honest this scenario just not match with those WW2 planes. I know about their historical value but when we go around a SAM6 we definitely need our modern weapons . I am a DCS supporter but I am beginning to get anxious here.......This is dangerously heading to the past...P51-Huey-F119..are nice models to practice take off and landing and some dog fight...and then what?.....Huffffff...Hahhhhh....grrrrrrrrr

:music_whistling:

We are in 2013 guys please........................

Regards

[GeorgeLKMT]

Peter, I guess you didn't watch the overview video that Matt Wagner has posted. It has been stated that there are many planes planned for development from several eras. DCS:W is becoming rather all-around platform than just modern-age simulator. New maps will eventually come out and some of them may be historical to support WWII (or other era) battles. 3rd party developers could also support development of new content. Everything is on the beginning now.

[159th_Viper]

:music_whistling:

We are in 2013 guys please........................

 

It has been stated on more than one occasion that DCS is not restricted to any era. With EDGE and the new map tools it would be foolish in the extreme not to model these planes.

[Peter22]

Peter, I guess you didn't watch the overview video that Matt Wagner has posted. It has been stated that there are many planes planned for development from several eras. DCS:W is becoming rather all-around platform than just modern-age simulator. New maps will eventually come out and some of them may be historical to support WWII (or other era) battles. 3rd party developers could also support development of new content. Everything is on the beginning now.

I hope so.....Matt yesterday post related with F15C , which I am sure will integrate full clickable coopit gave me some hope......we"ll see....:thumbup:

[Slippery Pete]

As said, the swastika textures are already there, you just have to copy the texture files that have the swastika, over the ones that dont. The files being in FW-190.zip(rar), which is in DCS World/Mods/Aircrafts/FW-190D/Textures

 

[[DBS]TH0R]

I must say I was expecting more regarding Fw 190 model accuracy. I hope at least the most obvious shape errors will be corrected. Especially considering that in the future the Fw 190 will be a flyable plane, I suppose ED's intention is to try keep a high standard. It really saddens me that the person who built the 3D model, obviously didn't knew which are the most accurate scale drawings available for the plane (I mean drawings really, really close to perfect). I'm sure a lot of the errors would have been avoided.

 

First I have a humble suggestion to ED, to change the name in the sim from FW-190D9 to Fw 190 D-9. That's how the plane's name was written in any WWII German documents.

 

The first thing that I would improve on the 3D model is the radiator's forward cowling. Its shape is very obviously inaccurate.

 

Nicely spotted. Prop, engine intake(?) and exhaust look a bit off to me as well:

 

 

 

Though I am no expert on the subject. :)

[Ala13_ManOWar]

Nicely spotted. Prop, engine intake(?) and exhaust look a bit off to me as well:...

 

:music_whistling: I said first... :lol::lol:

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1736097&postcount=260

 

 

That pics are from a D-13, somebody can say, but really D-9 should be similar. Fw190 is a WIP, I don't complain about anything yet, but I hope for an accurate final version.

 

S!

[NineLine]

:music_whistling: I said first... :lol::lol:

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1736097&postcount=260

 

 

That pics are from a D-13, somebody can say, but really D-9 should be similar. Fw190 is a WIP, I don't complain about anything yet, but I hope for an accurate final version.

 

S!

 

Well the issue is how can we be sure they are? I believe that ED is using factory blueprints to create this model, that said nothing is perfect, and something I feel confident in assuming is that the model isnt complete as we dont have a template yet.

 

I think in order to best address model concerns is to supply actual pictures/drawings of a D-9 with the issues you feel needs addressed. ED is very responsive to issues with their products. If you show some compelling examples I will also be more than happy to submit them to the devs. Just do it in a respectful manor :)

 

By respectful I mean, starting out comments with I expected more, or I am dissappointed in EDs effort or something like that. Its not needed. Secondly anything but a D-9, unless you can provide proof that a change to the part wasnt made between versions, probably wont get you as far. The person who modeled this doesnt necessarily eat, sleep, drink 190, so there is always a possibility something didnt translate right from the drawings.

[[DBS]TH0R]

My above comments are nothing else but constructive criticism. I am fully aware that this is still WIP and with that in mind I think this now we have the most chances to get the things right. "While the iron is still hot", so to speak. :)

 

Again, being no expert on the subject - someone else will hopefully provide more compelling materials on how it should be done. I am merely a perfectionist with lots of respect for the guys behind the project.

[NRG-Vampire]

http://forum.lockon.ru/showthread.php?p=1745985#post1745985

 

Edited May 5, 2013 by NRG-Vampire

[NineLine]

My above comments are nothing else but constructive criticism. I am fully aware that this is still WIP and with that in mind I think this now we have the most chances to get the things right. "While the iron is still hot", so to speak. :)

 

Again, being no expert on the subject - someone else will hopefully provide more compelling materials on how it should be done. I am merely a perfectionist with lots of respect for the guys behind the project.

 

 

Perfectionist are welcome, you just need to back up any claims :) Not that you cant, but you can understand that there are a lot of "experts" on the internet :)

 

I have noticed a couple things I will submit once I get good photos to show, but I appreciate the fact that its still a pretty sexy model...

[Ala13_ManOWar]

Well the issue is how can we be sure they are? I believe that ED is using factory blueprints to create this model, that said nothing is perfect, and something I feel confident in assuming is that the model isnt complete as we dont have a template yet.

 

I think in order to best address model concerns is to supply actual pictures/drawings of a D-9 with the issues you feel needs addressed. ED is very responsive to issues with their products. If you show some compelling examples I will also be more than happy to submit them to the devs. Just do it in a respectful manor :)

 

By respectful I mean, starting out comments with I expected more, or I am dissappointed in EDs effort or something like that. Its not needed. Secondly anything but a D-9, unless you can provide proof that a change to the part wasnt made between versions, probably wont get you as far. The person who modeled this doesnt necessarily eat, sleep, drink 190, so there is always a possibility something didnt translate right from the drawings.

Well, of course I didn't mean to be rude or something like that :huh:, just pointed an evidence (to me of course). In fact I supposed modellers would be aware of that. But you're right, saying things with no evidence is nothing. I'll try to look for something if it's helpful to 190 module :smilewink:.

 

S!

[fantomk]

I'm glad that I'm not the only one who think that the engine cowling shape is off.

[Stonehouse]

Ok I guess I'm mentally deficient too. Found the FW-190.zip copied the _s files over the non _s ones of the same name and left everything in FW-190.zip, made a mission where RED is Germany, added an FW190 but cannot see any skins to choose from. What simple step am I missing please?

 

Cheers,

Stonehouse

[NineLine]

Ok I guess I'm mentally deficient too. Found the FW-190.zip copied the _s files over the non _s ones of the same name and left everything in FW-190.zip, made a mission where RED is Germany, added an FW190 but cannot see any skins to choose from. What simple step am I missing please?

 

Cheers,

Stonehouse

 

You wont have any to choose from, but it should have replaced the default skin.

[Stonehouse]

Ok thank you. I can now see the grey underside version with the swastika. So I assume to get the other one I need to remove the files for the grey underside skin from the zip file?

 

ie there are 2 skins in there, how do I switch between them?

 

Cheers,

Stonehouse

 

<edit> Ok I sorted it out. Looks like something that 2 JSGME mods would solve for people since you have to rename the _red files to remove the _red and overwrite the first skin which makes it hard to switch back and forth. Hopefully the 190 and 109 get their own liveries folder soon so the normal skins method can be used. <end edit>

Edited May 6, 2013 by Stonehouse

[NineLine]

The 190 would probably get its own livery when its released as a separate module I would imagine. The 109, I am doubtful that it ever will. It was more of a quick and dirty mod just to get something into DCS World for the P-51 to shoot... the model isnt of a very high quality and I doubt they will spend much time on templates and such... but I dont know for sure on that.

 

Ok thank you. I can now see the grey underside version with the swastika. So I assume to get the other one I need to remove the files for the grey underside skin from the zip file?

 

ie there are 2 skins in there, how do I switch between them?

 

Cheers,

Stonehouse

 

<edit> Ok I sorted it out. Looks like something that 2 JSGME mods would solve for people since you have to rename the _red files to remove the _red and overwrite the first skin which makes it hard to switch back and forth. Hopefully the 190 and 109 get their own liveries folder soon so the normal skins method can be used. <end edit>