F/A-18C Discussion

[Eddie]

Fine by me. :D

[NineLine]

Fine by me. :D

 

On that note, with everyone claiming our readily available info is for the F-16 sure seems like no one really is aggressively going after making one... just hints here and there... I would have bet it was the first plane someone would have tackled for 3rd Party... but then I suck at gambling :)

[Eddie]

Data on the Viper is no more available than data on the Hornet, or quite a few others.

 

In some respects modelling a Viper would be harder, as there are that many variations of avionics etc. it's sometimes difficult to pin down a specific block/suite.

[NineLine]

Data on the Viper is no more available than data on the Hornet, or quite a few others.

 

In some respects modelling a Viper would be harder, as there are that many variations of avionics etc. it's sometimes difficult to pin down a specific block/suite.

 

Ah, well perhaps that's what happened then ;)

 

Guess you will just have to pretend in the cockpit of a Hornet :)

[aaron886]

There was a well-written article in CodeOne magazine by a fighter pilot who flew both... He likened the viper to a hot red corvette, but said if he were going into battle, he would prefer to strap on the Hornet. There's plenty if reasons why, but superior sensors, high rate capability and low airspeed performance were cited, if I recall correctly. He made it sound like a Hornet is a more well-rounded and pilot-friendly platform.

[Eddie]

Yeah, ALL things considered it is, especially the current aircraft.

 

The avionics in the Hornet are "nicer" than the Viper, the FCS is also a bit more advanced than the Viper, although still quite "old hat" compared to more modern jets.

 

The Viper does do a few things a bit better, but on the whole the Hornet just clinches it I'd say. My thoughts on the two are simple really, the Hornet might be the best overall option in combat, but I still love the Viper more. It's just cooler.

 

In fact, I'll let Dos Gringo's speak for me, they do a much better job. :D

 

[NineLine]

Maybe one day, I always wanted to name my AI wingman, in the Mission Editor, Chappy Sinclair :)

[SUBS17]

Yeah, ALL things considered it is, especially the current aircraft.

 

The avionics in the Hornet are "nicer" than the Viper, the FCS is also a bit more advanced than the Viper, although still quite "old hat" compared to more modern jets.

 

The Viper does do a few things a bit better, but on the whole the Hornet just clinches it I'd say. My thoughts on the two are simple really, the Hornet might be the best overall option in combat, but I still love the Viper more. It's just cooler.

 

In fact, I'll let Dos Gringo's speak for me, they do a much better job. :D

 

 

Of the two IMO the Viper block 52 has the best avionics even compared to the Superhornet the Viper has the better setup and is the quickest to use in A/A or A/G combat. Its modes and profiles are much better and quicker than a real Hornet or Superhornet. Also the Hotas configuration is better and is more suited for the job.(finger lifts for afterburners seem pointless, maybe I'm biased because I did use to use a Cougar :D) As for power the Viper is overall the better aircraft out of the 3 until the SH gets these new engines with 20% more thrust. I like the new SH upgrades with the IRIS and the conformals which will make it quite an awesome aircraft to use in combat.:thumbup:

[SUBS17]

Thanks for the info. I am also looking forward to the Nevada scenery, only it wouldn't be very useful for carrier ops with the F/A-18's.

 

Yes it will be because NAS FAllon is in Nevada.:thumbup:

 

 

 

 

Naval Air Station Fallon or NAS Fallon (IATA: NFL, ICAO: KNFL, FAA LID: NFL) is the United States Navy's premier air-to-air and air-to-ground training facility. It is located southeast of the city of Fallon in western Nevada in the United States. Since 1996, it has been home to the Naval Fighter Weapons School (TOPGUN), and the surrounding area contains 84,000 acres (34,000 ha) of bombing and electronic warfare ranges. It is also home to the Naval Strike and Air Warfare Center (NSAWC), which includes TOPGUN, the Carrier Airborne Early Warning Weapons School (TOPDOME) and the Navy Rotary Wing Weapons School. Navy SEAL Combat Search and Rescue (CSAR) training also takes place here

Edited April 2, 2013 by SUBS17

[aaron886]

It's boring because it's already been beaten to death by various mutations of Falcon 4. I wouldn't really care to fly it over any other current Western fighter.

[Lt.Seahawk]

Yeah, ALL things considered it is, especially the current aircraft.

 

The avionics in the Hornet are "nicer" than the Viper, the FCS is also a bit more advanced than the Viper, although still quite "old hat" compared to more modern jets.

 

The Viper does do a few things a bit better, but on the whole the Hornet just clinches it I'd say. My thoughts on the two are simple really, the Hornet might be the best overall option in combat, but I still love the Viper more. It's just cooler.

 

In fact, I'll let Dos Gringo's speak for me, they do a much better job. :D

 

 

 

There's simply no way you can't love the Gringos, good choice on that one!

[NineLine]

Just had to share this F/A-18 video. Enjoy!

 

 

 

Yeah, I love his videos...

 

Love the shot of the pilot working the stick and throttle...

Edited April 3, 2013 by NineLine

[GodsPrototype]

Just had to share this F/A-18 video. Enjoy!

 

[Razor5-1]

Belgian Air Force F-16 RIAT 2010........ we need a DCS F-16!

That display blew every other aircraft out of the water, including your Hornet, super or otherwise.

It impressed me more than the Raptor!

 

I'm not anti Hornet- I can't wait for it! But I'd also love, love to see an F-16 too

Edited April 3, 2013 by Razor5-1

[112th_Rossi]

I'd love an F16 but I think I would prefer the F18 simply because of the carrier ops.

[Flamin_Squirrel]

There's plenty if reasons why, but superior sensors, high rate capability and low airspeed performance were cited, if I recall correctly.

 

Just wondering, what do you mean by high rate capability?

[Steel Jaw]

I'd love an F16 but I think I would prefer the F18 simply because of the carrier ops.

 

Yep.

[Razor5-1]

I suspect he means turn rate.

The F-16 will want to keep the fight fast, the Hornet will chew him up in a low speed engagement.

Edited April 3, 2013 by Razor5-1

[Flamin_Squirrel]

finger lifts for afterburners seem pointless, maybe I'm biased because I did use to use a Cougar :D

 

You only need to use the finger lifts to initiate A/B with weight on wheels and the hook or launch bar down; otherwise it's just a detent like the Falcon :thumbup:

[Zenra]

Just wondering, what do you mean by high rate capability?

 

For fighter jets that usually means how fast you can move, or increase the "rate", the nose across the sky. Refers to turn rate, but in three dimensions. The faster the pilot can rate his nose toward the target the faster he can get his sensors and weapons on his enemy.

[mjeh]

But it's also slower, does not accelerate (especially in the transonic region) or climb as well, is a less capable SEAD platform and in some areas has less payload versatility. And worst of all, it's a navy jet.

 

I do like the avionics in the Hornet, and I'll be on it like a tramp on chips when it arrives, but I'll never "love" it. I still want my Viper in DCS with all the bells and whistles.

 

+ one million!!!

 

Can't wait for hornet, but viper will always be my number one :) (I guess su-27sm will be a good number two, though)

[112th_Rossi]

So whats so wrong about Navy jets then?

[mjeh]

So whats so wrong about Navy jets then?

 

they're not f-16s :) no jk, for my part I was mostly agreeing with the last sentence there

[skouras]

It will be much better than VRS, I think DCS are better than anyone at what they do. For one I want the F/A 18-C more than a superhornet as there is much more chance of correctly simulated systems flight model etc..... But mainly you cant use weapons properly in FSX so a Hornet in DCS World with carrier ops SEAD TARCAP CAPS etc... is something to definitely get excited about. I cant wait...Lets hope we get a remodelled Carl Vinson though.....

VRS and DCS is very different sims with very different aircraft;)

[GodsPrototype]

VRS and DCS is very different sims with very different aircraft;)

 

We are talking about DCS: F/A-18C, therefore VRS and the DCS: F/A-18C are the same, only that VRS is a F/A-18E. The only thing I can agree on is that FSX and DCS are two different sims with different purposes. However, VRS and DCS have the same purpose more or less. VRS wants to create a F/A-18E that is supposed to be as close to reality as possible, which includes weapons. Same goes for the DCS: F/A-18C. Thus, they kind of have the same goal. However, I think DCS will have an advantage and will become a better simulator overall than VRS because it has so many more capabilities. Flight dynamics are more realistic, performance much better, better multiplayer etc. (and not to forget, more realistic combat) Only advantage in VRS would be that you have the world to fly in. We'll see what happens :thumbup: