Flying the Shark vs Flyign the Huey - First Impressions

[Yurgon]

I've just tried for 20 minutes or so in my first axis/controller setup flights, and damn is it hard to hover in that thing or do anything in a controlled way!

 

In the Black Shark I can hover alongside taxiing aircraft, exceed max IAS by 150kph (and recover!) and fly loops. I can feel how heavy my loadout is by the way the chopper reacts to inputs.

 

Getting there with the Huey is going to take ages. Wow, I love it already! :D

[Suchacz]

I wrote this on 13th of April, before the Huey release. Kinda prophetic... :D

I think, that the most challenging thing will be the transitions between flight regimes. Hover > Cruise > Hover will be a lot of fun, stick wobbling and footwork :thumbup:

 

We will be apologising to Akula that we were complaining about her autopilot chanels and rotor design :D

[Robert1983NL]

I like to see everyone suddently saying "Ohh little Shark, please come back, i love you ! no i won't fail you again !"

 

Hehe

So ? still wonder if you want to fly a western chopper IRL ? ;)

 

Ofcourse!!! I've flown three different western choppers, including the Huey. It's a GREAT helicopter to fly. Very easy, very intuitive, and a GREAT sound. It's my favourite helicopter ingame and irl.

[dahui]

There must be a modification for the huey TR... like that one, we have in RealLife on our Jetranger...

 

Ive heard, that the real Huey is very stable? (im waiting for my PayPal, ive not buyed yet)

[Roadrunner]

I got 12 hours on the Huey irl. It's a really easy helicopter to fly. But it's not on the PC. The flight model is very realistic, but what you lack ia the proper controls, the peripheral vision and the seat of the pants feeling.

 

It's still freaking great to play with it in DCS!

 

havent flown it in RL, but thats what i was thinking.

 

i.e. add about 30-40cm to the controll stick, and movements will be much smoother, i was thinking about a modification of my flightstick since the mustang anyway. i guess that would make it much more easy to fly.

 

RR

[Fuzzy_bear]

I've got 43 hours on Ka-50 and probably 3 times that many crashes/deaths it's an awesome bird... But the Huey is still my favorite eggbeater of all time next to the MD500, with it's unique sound and beautifully ugly lines. She's a right B*tch to keep in the air and will probs take half a lifetime if not more to master. So far the Huey has taught me... "I know nothing" lol

[Robert1983NL]

Well, that's the thing...

 

Like I said earlier, in real life the Huey is REALLY easy to fly. REALLY easy.

[Yellonet]

Well, that's the thing...

 

Like I said earlier, in real life the Huey is REALLY easy to fly. REALLY easy.

Well if you have tried the DCS Huey and think it is not easy, they one would assume that the flight model isn't very well done...

[Rogue Trooper]

I think the Huey is the most incredible "conventional" Helicopter sim I have ever experienced. Nothing comes close.

 

Well done DCS and very well done Belsimtek.... truly superb.

 

The Ka-50..... now that is a different bird altogether.

Where those AH-1s at?

[Tualatin]

The Shark is a fine and easy flying chopper! But the Huey ... it is hard to handle! Acts like a diva ... I have to lean the fly from the scratch ;)

[Weta43]

Well, that's the thing...

 

Like I said earlier, in real life the Huey is REALLY easy to fly. REALLY easy.

 

Relatively easy. For a helicopter...

Conventional helicopters with no stability assistance are not 'easy to fly'

 

I hate analogies, but:

 

Some push-bike designs are genuinely easier to ride than others, but if you can't ride a bike & decide to learn - you're probably going to spend a lot of time falling off whatever design you start off with.

If I - as a bike rider - tell you that the design you're currenly falling off every tme you sit on it 'is easy and stable', it doesn't make me wrong, and it also doesn't mean you won't keep falling off untill you stop falling of. At which point it will become easy .

 

I got 12 hours on the Huey irl. It's a really easy helicopter to fly. But it's not on the PC. The flight model is very realistic, but what you lack ia the proper controls, the peripheral vision and the seat of the pants feeling.

 

It's still freaking great to play with it in DCS!

...and it's still in beta

Edited May 4, 2013 by Weta43

[darkstar130]

The huey's still easier to fly in the sim than a R22. It's squirrel with a rotor. Although very rarely will you have LTE. good tail rotor.

[WildBillKelsoe]

The Huey is way much harder to fly and land. You got no HUD, nothing to know where that turtle beak is pointing, hell not even a wind spear! Landing is becoming easier but I have to set my curves because it is way sensitive on throttle now. We're merely taking baby footsteps now, but It's gonna take time, that's for sure. As far as FM, very unpredictable in a good way.

[Robert1983NL]

i disagree with you Weta, the Huey really is very easy and intuitive to fly. You don't really need any stabilization systems for it, it's very stable by itself.

 

What you miss on your PC is proper controls, peripheral vision, and the seat of the pants feeling. That's why it's harder to fly in DCS than it would be irl.

[whitehot]

Complete new experience flying the Huey VS the Ka-50. My first impressions was to acknowledge the fact that I did not know how to handle a traditional chopper and it was back to training from scratch. After watching the tutorials I started getting a grasp. It's nothing like the Shark, not even close. I love it and I'm glad that I got it. Actually it feels like the P-51 of the Helo world.

 

 

+1

[Rotorhead]

I wrote this on 13th of April, before the Huey release. Kinda prophetic... :D

 

Tell me about prophetic messages. That's what I wrote back in September 2012 in TOH thread:

 

This shows us how stable the coaxial helicopters are in comparison with their conventional counterparts. If we have people on this forum saying things like "The Shark is crazy, it's trying to kill you", I dont want to hear them when (if) DCS:UH-1 comes out. :)

 

Ka-50 is like butterfly - with teeth. Very easy to learn the basics, and once you learn how to avoid rotor snapping, you can actually maneuver it VERY violently without any accident. I haven't break the rotors for ages until I deliberately tried to, even if I'm pushing her to the limit.

 

Haven't flown her since I bought Huey though. I have to try it sometimes, I'm sure my precision went up about hundred times. :)

[sobek]

Haven't flown her since I bought Huey though. I have to try it sometimes, I'm sure my precision went up about hundred times. :)

 

Try not to end up in a left-hand spin when transitioning to hover. :)

[Rotorhead]

Try not to end up in a left-hand spin when transitioning to hover. :)

 

Haha, that's right! It won't be easy to overcome that newly gained reflex.

 

When we get some Russian-built helicopter with clockwise-turning rotor, it will be even greater fun to learn everything the other way round.

[Pikey]

I'm like many other posters here. After the Huey the Ka-50 is a breeze to fly. You can slam the collective around without those huge torque pulls on the rudder, you can dive and climb without getting your teeth shook out of your head, you can hover without any hover autopilot.

 

And lets talk loops and funnels now... I swear if that thing had a RWR and some more payload options you couldnt prise me away.

 

The Huey has given me a good insight into rudder control though and I appreciate that totally.

[average_pilot]

During this time flying the ka-50, from time to time I had to go back to FSX with the "helicopter total realism" mod to re-learn how to fly a conventional helicopter. And it was a bit of a shock at the beginning every time. The ka-50 really makes you a lazy pilot.

[dahui]

I'm like many other posters here. After the Huey the Ka-50 is a breeze to fly. You can slam the collective around without those huge torque pulls on the rudder, you can dive and climb without getting your teeth shook out of your head, you can hover without any hover autopilot.

 

And lets talk loops and funnels now... I swear if that thing had a RWR and some more payload options you couldnt prise me away.

 

The Huey has given me a good insight into rudder control though and I appreciate that totally.

 

 

But you have to be carefull to not come into a Mastbumping...

 

Is this Simulated?

[mmaruda]

Yes it is, there is a thread about it in Belsimteks department.

[dahui]

Thanks mmaruda

 

 

Just flew about two hours... well, its definetly difficulter than with a JR in RL ^^

 

But there is something wrong with the Pedals... Normaly you have to push it pretty hard in Hover, (like in the Sim) But when you go into the Transition to fwd flight, you have to release the Pedal a bit... up to RightPedal... (not like in the sim ;) )

 

greetings

[Suchacz]

Thanks mmaruda

 

 

Just flew about two hours... well, its definetly difficulter than with a JR in RL ^^

 

But there is something wrong with the Pedals... Normaly you have to push it pretty hard in Hover, (like in the Sim) But when you go into the Transition to fwd flight, you have to release the Pedal a bit... up to RightPedal... (not like in the sim ;) )

 

greetings

 

FM is still WIP. We can judge that after the final release. But certainly every opinion is apreciated for the devs.

[GGTharos]

This is a misconception. No one really wanted a single-seat attack heli.

 

Single rotor helis are just as stable as easy to fly as a Ka-50 when paired with the automation systems that the Ka-50 sports. That heli does a lot of things for you to begin with ... while the Huey is very, very manual.

 

I can see why other attack Helicopters need two pilots, if the AH-1 is like this then I look forward to going head to head with it in multiplayer!

The KA-50 is a seriously stable aircraft.

The Huey sim is superb and well worth the cash.

 

looking forward to the MI-8 now.