combatace Posted May 8, 2013 Posted May 8, 2013 I will buy Su-27, my money is surely in. To support my models please donate to paypal ID: hp.2084@gmail.com https://www.turbosquid.com/Search/Artists/hero2084?referral=hero2084
Lucas_From_Hell Posted May 8, 2013 Posted May 8, 2013 Hey, they're good but they're not that good By the way... guys... that suit... it has, like, buttons... maybe we could... you know... I mean, it happened a long time ago in a galaxy far far away, I don't think it's confidential anymore... DCS: Darth Vader Suit? :joystick: :D 1
MadTommy Posted May 8, 2013 Posted May 8, 2013 Personally I'm very happy with FC3 level of fidelity modules, as i simply don't have the time to dedicate to another study sim, got a business to run and kids to be a lackey to. What i am disappointed about is it just sounds like Flaming Cliffs content being distributed for another xx amount of dollars. I'd be happy if they had announced a NEW plane or 2 at FC3 fidelity, but i have already bought the these airframes 4 times already.. a 5th time is too many. If the AFM gets added to existing FC3 owners, brilliant, if not well as a customer i feel like every penny has been rung out of me for for these airframes. 1 i5-3570K @ 4.5 Ghz, Asus P8Z77-V, 8 GB DDR3, 1.5GB GTX 480 (EVGA, superclocked), SSD, 2 x 1680x1050, x-fi extreme music. TM Warthog, Saitek combat pro pedals, TrackIR 4
Risk Posted May 8, 2013 Posted May 8, 2013 I think a lot a people are just really disappointed that work on the F/A-18C is so far off and may not have even been started yet. It should be no surprise to ED that so many people are hoping someday for a release of an aircraft that brings back Naval ops and carrier landing, etc... IF ED wants a home run with sales I would think they would focus their efforts here. My money is being saved for that day. 1
SkateZilla Posted May 8, 2013 Posted May 8, 2013 (edited) the only issue I foresee, is if users have 2 copies of the same aircraft. Might play hell with Missions/MP. As for the AFM, until they confirm the AFM is coming to FC3, Assume it isnt. that way you're not let down later. Most likely they are taking the External and Cockpit EDMs and texture assets, and moving them out of the /mods/aircraft/FlamingCliffs/ Folder and entry Lua, And moving them to their own respective /mods/aircraft/f-15c (/su-27) folders. (well the external EDMs aren't in the /FlamingCliffs/ folder, so the Cockpit Assets) if the Entry LUAs keep the same Data for Plane ID, wsType, Mission Editor and reporting/display names (and a few other entries), they they will both use the same Mission Editor slots. One user will simply have the data in /FlamingCliffs/ and one in /f-15c/ (/su-27/) But the data will be the same. Making the FC3 aircraft have AFM only makes it easier. if they dont migrate AFM to FC3, then some users will buy the standalone modules for AFM, which they'd have 2 copies of the F-15C installed in two different modules, one with a AFM DLL Call in the Entry LUa and one without, it could really mess things up, migrating the AFM to FC3 allows both modules to share the same data set, so there's no need to buy the standalone version and have conflicting Entry LUAs for the Same Aircraft in two different locations. Maybe ED is already on top of this and already put code into place to resolve the issue, i dunno, Im not a programmer. I'll do an experiment this weekend. I'll build a F-15C Module using the F-15C data from the /FlamingCliffs/ entry and data LUAs, put the LUAs and graphics assets into /mods/aircraft/f-15c/ and see if it works correctly. Edited May 8, 2013 by SkateZilla Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs
Witchking Posted May 8, 2013 Posted May 8, 2013 (edited) And this leads me to my original point: It's nice to see ED to develop and update FC3 content even after final release, but when Su-25 and A-10A got AFM, they weren't marketed as new modules. The same for Su-27's new external model and its (and Eagle's) 6DOF pit. The Su25/25T got new AFM as a seperate module...that was called Flaming cliffs 1...the unofficial addon for LOMAC. ED were nice enough to update the pit in 1.2.4 to meet community demands. A-10A is getting AFM because its simply a porting over of the same physics model from the A-10C to the A-10A...although there is a lot of work involved with its simplification to match the lack of avionics in the simple FC version. The flanker and eagle the same thing, to meet community demands they updated everything. But perhaps after all the nagging about "Improved landing/takeoff dynamics"... they realized they can only accomplish that with AFM which is certainly the way forward, they decided to re-tread the original flaming cliffs route. I think most here would not have a problem if they had reserved the 3d updates to external and cockpit upgrades to this actual eagle and flanker module. Stop complaining... I am glad ED is finally bringing out AFM for the FC3 flyables. Now it will only be the Mig 29 and Su 33 left in the dark ages. We can only hope that they manage to finish off the package with those upgrades sometime soon. Wait for the price before you decide anything...we clearly only know its been announced but nothing else. Later on whether you think its worth the purchase, thats your choice. Edited May 8, 2013 by Witchking 1 WHISPR | Intel I7 5930K | Nvidia GTX980 4GB GDDR5 | 16GB DDR4 | Intel 730 series 512GB SSD | Thrustmaster WARTHOG | CH Pro Pedals | TrackIR4 pro | |A-10C|BS2 |CA|P-51 MUSTANG|UH-1H HUEY|MI-8 MTV2 |FC3|F5E|M2000C|AJS-37|FW190|BF 109K|Mig21|A-10:SSC,EWC|L-39|NEVADA|
SkateZilla Posted May 8, 2013 Posted May 8, 2013 does the A-10A already have AFM? Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs
Witchking Posted May 8, 2013 Posted May 8, 2013 does the A-10A already have AFM? I don't think so...I haven't seen that in any of the updates since it was announced. If I fly the A-10, I generally fly the C variant now....just a lot more capability and a lot more fun. WHISPR | Intel I7 5930K | Nvidia GTX980 4GB GDDR5 | 16GB DDR4 | Intel 730 series 512GB SSD | Thrustmaster WARTHOG | CH Pro Pedals | TrackIR4 pro | |A-10C|BS2 |CA|P-51 MUSTANG|UH-1H HUEY|MI-8 MTV2 |FC3|F5E|M2000C|AJS-37|FW190|BF 109K|Mig21|A-10:SSC,EWC|L-39|NEVADA|
SkateZilla Posted May 8, 2013 Posted May 8, 2013 I don't think so...I haven't seen that in any of the updates since it was announced. If I fly the A-10, I generally fly the C variant now....just a lot more capability and a lot more fun. ok, was about to say, how the eff did i miss that announcement.. Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs
Maxzouz Posted May 8, 2013 Posted May 8, 2013 ok, was about to say, how the eff did i miss that announcement.. http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1643589&postcount=4 Line 8. I was just looking for the same thing :)
SkateZilla Posted May 8, 2013 Posted May 8, 2013 I'll have to re-fly a mission with the A-10A, as last time it definitely didnt feel like an AFM. That was a Comparison list between FC2 and FC3, that was posted well before FC3 went gold, so some things on the list may have been cut or delayed. http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1643589&postcount=4 Line 8. I was just looking for the same thing :) I was referring to an Announcement that A-10A AFM was done, in the release notes for the Updates. Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs
ishtmail Posted May 8, 2013 Posted May 8, 2013 (edited) I believe it was said that the A10C AFM model would be (was) applied to A10A. EDIT: From what I can see, A10A AFM was announced, but was not included in either 1.2.3 or 1.2.4, so we don't have it yet. Edited May 8, 2013 by ishtmail DCS A10C Warthog, DCS Black Shark 2, DCS P51D Mustang, DCS UH-1H Huey, DCS Mi-8MTV2 Magnificent Eight, Flaming Cliffs 3, Combined Arms System: Intel i7 4770k @4,2GHz; MSI Z87-G65; 16GB DDR3 1600 MHz RAM; 128GB SSD SATA3 (system disk); 2TB HDD SATA3 (games disk); Sapphire Radeon R9 290 Tri-X; Windows 7 64bit Flight controls: Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog; Saitek Pro Flight Combat Rudder; TrackIR 5; Thrustmaster F16 MFDs; 2x 8'' LCD screens (VGA) for MFD display; 27'' LG LCD full HD main display
Witchking Posted May 8, 2013 Posted May 8, 2013 I think a simple landing test will clarify the issue... If it magnetically sticks to the runway ...not yet. WHISPR | Intel I7 5930K | Nvidia GTX980 4GB GDDR5 | 16GB DDR4 | Intel 730 series 512GB SSD | Thrustmaster WARTHOG | CH Pro Pedals | TrackIR4 pro | |A-10C|BS2 |CA|P-51 MUSTANG|UH-1H HUEY|MI-8 MTV2 |FC3|F5E|M2000C|AJS-37|FW190|BF 109K|Mig21|A-10:SSC,EWC|L-39|NEVADA|
SkateZilla Posted May 8, 2013 Posted May 8, 2013 yeah, didnt think so. Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs
ED Team Wags Posted May 8, 2013 ED Team Posted May 8, 2013 (edited) A few notes based on my skimming of this thread: 1- There has been no decision regarding pricing yet. 2- There has been no decision regarding discounts to current FC3 customers or including the advanced flight models as a free FC3 update. This is certainly something that we will be discussing internally over the coming weeks. 3- Trying to place a release date around one of the high-fidelity aircraft modules would only be an educated guess that would more likely than not bite us in the butt later if the date was missed and features changed. The same applies to any sort of public "road map" that would even more likely change. We're not going down that road again. 4- Regarding the change in the 03 May 2013 language, plans change or new information comes to light that will modify previously expressed plans and intentions. While we want to better provide you earlier news of upcoming products, the price is that at times our plans and intentions will change. For instance, I only learned of the feature intentions of the F-15C and Su-27 a very short time ago. The alternative is that we go back to only discussing new products once they are 100% final. Your actions will determine my decision. 5- The new F-15C and Su-27 have no significant impact on the development of the high-fidelity module aircraft. In fact, they benefit them by bringing in additional income to fund that development. 6- We understand and fully empathize with the desire of many members here for high-fidelity module aircraft ASAP. Rest assured that they are coming and we are certainly not delaying them in favor of lesser fidelity modules. However, it seems some here vastly underestimate the amount of time and money it takes to create one of these. Edited May 8, 2013 by Wags Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/user/wagmatt Twitch: wagmatt System: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=3729544#post3729544
ED Team NineLine Posted May 8, 2013 ED Team Posted May 8, 2013 A few notes based on my skimming of these thread: 1- There has been no decision regarding pricing yet. 2- There has been no decision regarding discounts to current FC3 customers. 3- Trying to place a release date around one of the high-fidelity aircraft modules would only be an educated guess that would more likely than not bite us in the butt later if the date was missed and features changed. The same applies to any sort of "road map" that would even more likely change. We're not going down that road again. 4- Regarding the change in the 03 May 2013 language, plans change or new information comes to light that will modify previously expressed plans and intentions. While we want to better provide you earlier news of upcoming products, the price is that at times our plans and intentions will change. For instance, I only learned of the feature intentions of the F-15C and Su-27 a very short time ago. The alternative is that we go back to only discussing new products once they are 100% final. Your actions will determine my decision. 5- The new F-15C and Su-27 have no significant impact on the development of the high-fidelity module aircraft. In fact, they benefit them by bringing in additional income to fund that development. 6- We understand and fully empathize with the desire of many members here for high-fidelity module aircraft ASAP. Rest assured that they are coming and we are certainly not delaying them in favor of lesser fidelity modules. However, it seems many here vastly underestimate the amount of time and money it takes to create one of these. Thanks Matt, could you put this ias a reply to your 07 Update post too, otherwise this post will be buried in about 10 mins and people will be asking the same questions all over again :) Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug**
Yellonet Posted May 8, 2013 Posted May 8, 2013 A few notes based on my skimming of these thread: 1- There has been no decision regarding pricing yet. 2- There has been no decision regarding discounts to current FC3 customers. 3- Trying to place a release date around one of the high-fidelity aircraft modules would only be an educated guess that would more likely than not bite us in the butt later if the date was missed and features changed. The same applies to any sort of "road map" that would even more likely change. We're not going down that road again. 4- Regarding the change in the 03 May 2013 language, plans change or new information comes to light that will modify previously expressed plans and intentions. While we want to better provide you earlier news of upcoming products, the price is that at times our plans and intentions will change. For instance, I only learned of the feature intentions of the F-15C and Su-27 a very short time ago. The alternative is that we go back to only discussing new products once they are 100% final. Your actions will determine my decision. 5- The new F-15C and Su-27 have no significant impact on the development of the high-fidelity module aircraft. In fact, they benefit them by bringing in additional income to fund that development. 6- We understand and fully empathize with the desire of many members here for high-fidelity module aircraft ASAP. Rest assured that they are coming and we are certainly not delaying them in favor of lesser fidelity modules. However, it seems many here vastly underestimate the amount of time and money it takes to create one of these.Thanks for clearing things up :) i7-2600k@4GHz, 8GB, R9 280X 3GB, SSD, HOTAS WH, Pro Flight Combat Pedals, TIR5
blkspade Posted May 8, 2013 Posted May 8, 2013 It makes absolute sense to have stand-alone fighter add-ons for DCS world, since the cost of entry otherwise would be $60 for many that probably would spend most of their time in one jet. For me when FC2 was announced I went scambling through my box of old neglected software to find my original LO:MAC disk. Then promptly made a copy of it to keep on my HDD. Its not this simple for people who are just now getting into ED products, even worse if they aren't in the US having to wait for a copy by mail. I wouldn't want to have to go searching for an old piece of software to buy, install but essentially not use just to have access to the newer version. Yes I already understand the why. Now it would be absolutely illogical to not give the FC3 users the AFM. Not only due to the obvious consumer outrage, but the overhead in development for ED and mission builders would be a pain. Obviously the stand-alones would be using the same resources as the FC3 jets with AFM tacked on. Those of us with FC3 basically put forth the cost of that jet and then some with the original LO requirement. http://104thphoenix.com/
159th_Viper Posted May 8, 2013 Posted May 8, 2013 INow it would be absolutely illogical to not give the FC3 users the AFM.... Here I would disagree. Why would we expect something for free? Is there any other aspect in life where this expectation comes as easily as it seems to be in this community? The AFM is an extra, an addition. If you want it, pay to get it. If you do not want it or refuse to pay, then that's OK too. There is no loss as you still retain full functionality minus the AFM. Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......'
104th_Crunch Posted May 8, 2013 Posted May 8, 2013 Great post Matt. Thanks. Can't wait for the future. Please do not be discouraged by the posts here. The idea of more public updates is a good one. All in all, this thread has not really turned in to a flame war. People just expressing their opinions. Your clarification was a result. All good.
SkateZilla Posted May 8, 2013 Posted May 8, 2013 Here I would disagree. Why would we expect something for free? Is there any other aspect in life where this expectation comes as easily as it seems to be in this community? The AFM is an extra, an addition. If you want it, pay to get it. If you do not want it or refuse to pay, then that's OK too. There is no loss as you still retain full functionality minus the AFM. Well I can argue both ways regarding AFM, Example, F-15C/SU-27 Standalone Users are getting Assets and stuff that were developed for FC3, and being separated/ported to their own module. So FC3 users should be able to get AFM ported to theirs. But in the end it's ED's decision, and I have no actual proof of the above scenario, just an assumption/example. Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs
sobek Posted May 8, 2013 Posted May 8, 2013 Best Argument is the Removal of Ubi-Strictions from users that want to fly fighters in DCSW. Interesting to read all the reactions to ED announcing basically that they will drop the FC brand for their midrange aircraft, after the armlong list of rants about having to install the original LOMAC. :huh: Good, fast, cheap. Choose any two. Come let's eat grandpa! Use punctuation, save lives!
smnwrx Posted May 8, 2013 Posted May 8, 2013 I am a huge fan of the updates and can completely understand how things can change. I deal with it everyday IRL. The goals of this fine company are directly in line with my flightsim fantacies. To me, ED is "the hand that feeds me" (no one else can come close as far as modern combat sims go IMO). Why complain? To have frequent updates is always nice.
Witchking Posted May 8, 2013 Posted May 8, 2013 (edited) As someone who pre-purchased FC3, I would gladly pay like 15$ each for F-15 and Su27 AFM. I understand that development means more work and the people at ED need to get paid to support their own lives. I agree, we can't expect everything for free. Unfortunately, that is the reality of our niche hobby....they are not developers with 100s of team members who can get a lot of things done. Its a very small team (I would imagine) compared to the team that develops Battlefield or Assassin's creed. Edited May 8, 2013 by Witchking WHISPR | Intel I7 5930K | Nvidia GTX980 4GB GDDR5 | 16GB DDR4 | Intel 730 series 512GB SSD | Thrustmaster WARTHOG | CH Pro Pedals | TrackIR4 pro | |A-10C|BS2 |CA|P-51 MUSTANG|UH-1H HUEY|MI-8 MTV2 |FC3|F5E|M2000C|AJS-37|FW190|BF 109K|Mig21|A-10:SSC,EWC|L-39|NEVADA|
ED Team NineLine Posted May 8, 2013 ED Team Posted May 8, 2013 Interesting to read all the reactions to ED announcing basically that they will drop the FC brand for their midrange aircraft, after the armlong list of rants about having to install the original LOMAC. :huh: Damned if you do, damned if you dont :) Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug**
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