UH-1H without rudder pedals?

[IonicRipper]

I'm thinking of getting the Huey but I'm unsure of my current setup.

I fly with a Saitek X52 and no rudder pedals (just the stick twist.)

I've always thought that flying a helo without rudder pedals is far from ideal.

Does anyone actively fly the Huey with a similar setup?

How hard would it be to learn to fly the Huey without pedals?

[71st_Mastiff]

I'm thinking of getting the Huey but I'm unsure of my current setup.

I fly with a Saitek X52 and no rudder pedals (just the stick twist.)

I've always thought that flying a helo without rudder pedals is far from ideal.

Does anyone actively fly the Huey with a similar setup?

How hard would it be to learn to fly the Huey without pedals?

 

well consider this, you get allot less translation in a twist stick then you do a set of rudder pedals.

 

and you have more control with ruder pedals. I do not fly with out them ever again, plus side you free up your hand from to much push, pull and twisting at the same time.:joystick:

[PeterP]

If you are able to do something like this:

 

- you won't need rudders and you will be fine with a twist-stick in a helicopter.

 

if not,

get rudders as soon as possible.

 

The possibility is high that maybe some people will tell you that they can control the Huey with a twist stick - but I bet once they did it with real rudders they also will never-ever use the twist again for a helicopter.

 

Some tips how to modify the rudders for more realistic control and feel>>> http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=73311

Edited June 12, 2013 by PeterP

[lesnyborsuk]

The possibility is high that maybe some people will tell you that they can control the Huey with a twist stick - but I bet once they did it with real rudders they also will never-ever use the twist again for a helicopter.

 

I totally agree. I have rudder pedals since few months and I can't imagine trying to control Huey without it. I know it is possible though.

 

BTW: Is x52 having twist-stick only as rudder? I have old x45 which has separate rudder on throttle- that would be more easy to handle instead of having rudder peddals.

[TimeKilla]

Its fine to fly without the rudder pedals while in high speed forward flight you wont use them that much anyway only really for take off/hover and low speeds and the twist joystick works great I've got the X52 Pro so almost same setup.

 

If you want to go that extra step them buy them I will at some point, I just fly helicopters no fixed wings and I don't have any issues.

[IonicRipper]

I have a Logitech MOMO racing wheel with pedals. Would that work for rudders? Only problem is I'll have to keep the wheel plugged in in order to use the pedals.

[NineLine]

I have the G25 from Logitech, I can use the pedals for rudders...

 

I have a Logitech MOMO racing wheel with pedals. Would that work for rudders? Only problem is I'll have to keep the wheel plugged in in order to use the pedals.

[PeterP]

I have a Logitech MOMO racing wheel with pedals. Would that work for rudders? Only problem is I'll have to keep the wheel plugged in in order to use the pedals.

 

well, sure it will work 'somehow' - as long you can use both pedals as combined axis (...

) .

BUT:

 

I also experimented with racing wheel pedals in my 'early days' .

And I came to the conclusion that it might be usable for fixed wing use - but very inconvenient for helicopters - as you very often face a flight state where you never keep them 'centred' - so you will have to hold your feet always at a certain position that can change really quick , and this adds allot of strain to your legs (That's why I added the tip to modify the rudders)...and doing it while both pedals aren't mechanically connected to each others will be even more stress ...

 

I hope you get my point .

 

My conclusion: Flying/cursing and taking off/landing when having some space around you and whatever will work OK - but you won't be really able to do it with finesse and precision,

and have some hard time in pin-point landings and tricky manoeuvres.

Edited June 12, 2013 by PeterP

[IonicRipper]

I understand very well what you mean and its the reason why I haven't been using them as rudders so far.

 

Just out of curiosity, what do you think would be best between racing pedals and the twist axis?

[PeterP]

I understand very well what you mean and its the reason why I haven't been using them as rudders so far.

 

Just out of curiosity, what do you think would be best between racing pedals and the twist axis?

Serious?!

:D

A cold beer!

[WildBillKelsoe]

recommend a purchase of CH pro rudder pedals.

[PeterP]

Had them before the saitek - -CH rudders are too narrow . - this ads to much strain to your legs during helicopter long-runs (keep in mind: holding them centred for longer periods is not common in the Huey) and isn't usable at all when you will sometime change to a center-stick config .

 

(some info about my experience: I came from (almost) helicopter-only flying in FSX to the BlackShark some many moons ago)

Edited June 12, 2013 by PeterP

[IonicRipper]

Serious?!

:D

A cold beer!

 

 

I don't like beer, unfortunately :P

[shagrat]

The usual are the Saitek pro flight rudder pedals... if you want it realistic go for the saitek combat rudder pedals.

 

There are quite expensive metal builds from professional flight sim equipment companies available, but for my part and most of the community the Saitek pedals seem to do a fine job!:thumbup:

 

There is always the option to build your own pedals (Home Depot, Creativity and a USB controller card, potentiometer etc.) :music_whistling:

[PeterP]

here is a example what you can do 'out of nothing' and without to know how to rewire potentiometers/hall-sensors or whatever:

 

... to be honest: the Idea is OK but the hinge needs some serious redesign to get the paddles chained together...

 

...or add a detachable pulley on your momo-pedals , so one wont be able to move one forward when the other is punched down.

Edited June 12, 2013 by PeterP

[WildBillKelsoe]

Had them before the saitek - -CH rudders are too narrow . - this ads to much strain to your legs during helicopter long-runs (keep in mind: holding them centred for longer periods is not common in the Huey) and isn't usable at all when you will sometime change to a center-stick config .

 

(some info about my experience: I came from (almost) helicopter-only flinging in FSX to the BlackShark some many moons ago)

 

True

[IonicRipper]

I wonder if i could dissemble my MOMO wheel and use that to build rudder pedals...

 

Quickly, to the bat cave!

[PeterP]

a better Idea is maybe to just put the wheel in vertical position under your feet and put some sort of plank on it to rest your feet - and than turn just the wheel/plank...

 

EDIT:

Seems we finally convinced IonicRipper .

 

>>> Looking for rudder pedals!

Edited June 12, 2013 by PeterP

[IonicRipper]

Yes indeed.

 

But it wasn't a question of being convinced but rather if it was absolutely necessary or not.

 

I've always wanted a set of pedals but never wanted to spend the money for them.

[marker]

Get them mate, I was using the twist on an X52, got a pair of saitek Cessna pro, for £100 sterling, probably the most worthwhile money I have spent on "gaming" in a good while, obviously after Huey :)

[flyer49]

It is very possible to fly the Huey with a Saitek X52. I fly with this set up and once you get use to it, it works fine. I have a set of Combat pedals but don't have them hook up yet. Until you can afford a set of pedals the X52 will work fine.

[IonicRipper]

Isn't that what force trim button's for? So you don't have to keep the controls in a certain position?

[159th_Viper]

Isn't that what force trim button's for? So you don't have to keep the controls in a certain position?

 

Does not apply to the rudders.

[IonicRipper]

But in the manual its written that it does...

Force centering devices are incorporated in the cyclic controls and directional pedal controls. These devices are installed between the cyclic stick and the hydraulic servo cylinders, and between the anti-torque pedals and the hydraulic servo cylinder. The devices furnish a force gradient or "feel" to the cyclic control stick and anti-torque pedals.

[PeterP]

But at the product page they say:

BETA

So what's wrong? - your expectation or the product ?! ;):)

-nevermind-

Edited June 17, 2013 by PeterP