TrackIR DOF needs improvement in P-51

[BiBa]

The TrackIR DOF movement (left & right) needs badly to be widened to the extent, that the pilot's head can lean out of an open canopy so that taxiing sight is easier, like in a real plane. Once the canopy is closed, it is reset back to current position.

 

In all other AIs, the head's movement is limited by the windowpane, with the Exception of the P-51! If you want to see how good is it popping your head out of the canopy, try it with the A2A P-51 version in FSX! When you got used to that, it's kind of weird when your head is suddenly obstructed by an invisible barrier (in an open canopy). So for the sake of improving Sims realty, vote for yes!

 

See gavagai's picture three step below

Edited November 24, 2013 by Biba

[Fifi]

I agree, but only when on ground taxiing. Not in the air.

[White Owl]

Are we sure the real cockpit has enough shoulder room to lean your head outside? While strapped into the seat?

 

Sincere question; I really don't know the answer. If there are photos of a P-51 pilot taxiing with his neck stretching out to one side and outside the cockpit, then I'll agree the sim needs tweaked a little to match.

[gavagai]

You should post a pic:

 

Edited November 24, 2013 by gavagai

[BiBa]

Are we sure the real cockpit has enough shoulder room to lean your head outside? While strapped into the seat?...

how about strapping your seatbelt after Taxiing, just before Takeoff?

Sincere question; I really don't know the answer. If there are photos of a P-51 pilot taxiing with his neck stretching out to one side and outside the cockpit, then I'll agree the sim needs tweaked a little to match.

in gavagai's picture above, you can see how the pilot's head is beyond the canopy's frame and can further stretch out 10 cm more if his seatbelt was unstrapped. This 20 cm TrackIR side Tweak can make a big difference into the pilot front view.

[BiBa]

I agree, but only when on ground taxiing. Not in the air.

On a hot summer day, when you're on final descending with 120 nm for landing, don't you think opening the canopy would be cool; like flying a biplane!

Edited November 24, 2013 by Biba

[Suchacz]

When I was on the local airshow, I saw a Mustang there. He was going zigzag during his taxiing, to be able to see down the taxiway. Afaik all taildraggers are taxiing this way...

[BiBa]

When I was on the local airshow, I saw a Mustang there. He was going zigzag during his taxiing, to be able to see down the taxiway.

This 20cm TrackIR Tweak is an enhancement to the pilot view, but not to the extent of making the zigzag Taxiing needless.

[Merlin-27]

On a hot summer day, when you're on final descending with 120 nm for landing, don't you think opening the canopy would be cool; like flying a biplane!

 

You already can open the canopy in flight. Are you saying you want to stick your head out of the airplane going 150+mph? I think it's fine like it is. I've never had any problem taxiing with the view we have.

[Pman]

Having sat in a number of Mustangs I can say that there is no way sitting in one I could lean out of the cockpit (either in the front or back) to be able to see effectively without pretty much standing on the floor and being unstrapped.

[BiBa]

You already can open the canopy in flight. Are you saying you want to stick your head out of the airplane going 150+mph? I think it's fine like it is. I've never had any problem taxiing with the view we have.

You don't land with the P-51 with 150+mph, but with 120! 120 is the cruise speed of a Biplane, which has no canopy, so they fly all the time like driving in a cabrio. I personally have driven a Mercedes Benz Cabrio at 280 KmH on our German Freeway, where thanks G.O.D, we had no speed limit. This was a big kick!

 

But the whole Idea was meant for Taxiing, and these extra 20cm tilting your head over the canopy border makes a BIG difference. To better understand the difference, try your TrackIR in a P-51 in FSX...

[Abburo]

I do agree you it will be a nice feature to be able lean outside cockpit, but do you agree with me there are many more important things to be improved?

So, let's send this proposal to ED with a minor priority, just in case they will boring sometime :D

Edited November 24, 2013 by Abburo

[Merlin-27]

You don't land with the P-51 with 150+mph, but with 120! 120 is the cruise speed of a Biplane, which has no canopy, so they fly all the time like driving in a cabrio. I personally have driven a Mercedes Benz Cabrio at 280 KmH on our German Freeway, where thanks G.O.D, we had no speed limit. This was a big kick!

 

You try to cross the threshold at 120... so, that is when you are wanting to open the canopy? Nice way to wreck your aircraft.

 

And are you saying your 120mph bi-plane has no windscreen? Who's sticking their head out of the plane while landing? Seems pretty obsurd to me.

 

But the whole Idea was meant for Taxiing, and these extra 20cm tilting your head over the canopy border makes a BIG difference. To better understand the difference, try your TrackIR in a P-51 in FSX...

 

I don't need to try FSX. I have no problem taxiing.

[BiBa]

...Seems pretty obsurd to me...I don't need to try FSX. I have no problem taxiing.

Good for you - I can only repeat the fact, that for the sake of improving Sim's reality, the true head movement wouldn't be suddenly obstructed by an invisible barrier in an opened canopy! Beyond that, if I can lean my head outside when I feel sick, (if smbd sat a spell on me) so I don't have to puke inside my cockpit, and you have to clean again this absurd mess after!

[Pman]

Good for you - I can only repeat the fact, that for the sake of improving Sim's reality, the true head movement wouldn't be suddenly obstructed by an invisible barrier in an opened canopy! Beyond that, if I can lean my head outside when I feel sick, (if smbd sat a spell on me) so I don't have to puke inside my cockpit, and you have to clean again this absurd mess after!

 

It wouldnt improve the reality as I can tell you from first hand experience that even leaning as best you can when strapped in that you cant see anything over the nose.

 

Improving it would make it LESS realistic

[BiBa]

It wouldnt improve the reality as I can tell you from first hand experience that even leaning as best you can when strapped in that you cant see anything over the nose...Improving it would make it LESS realistic

The picture illustrated from gavagai where you see CLEARLY the pilot's shoulder OVER the fuselage's edge, (as many others picture on Internet) and still your nose remains strapped down in no man's land! It's not obligatory to be strapped while Taxiing!

 

I know Pilots are generally selected small (around 170cm) and I don't know how tall you are, and what or how thick was the cushion/parachute under your butt, but you've surely heard about how tall are most Germans predominantly - so I also can assure you, as I had the opportunity in an exhibition to sit in a P-51 cockpit, that I could hang my arm comfortably over and lean my head over where the windowpane is supposed to be, so excuse me of being so rude in expressing a wish to revive that feeling, but I won't pledge for an excuse of being tall!

 

So if you see me one day sitting there like in the picture below, keep on telling yourself: he's not real - just a dangling mirage...

Edited November 25, 2013 by Biba

[BiBa]

You should post a pic:

Before your comment is submerged by the nagging of frustrated squirts - many thanks for your beautiful Pic!

[Merlin-27]

The only frustrated person seems to be you :)

 

My opinion was just that I don't think it's a necessity that needs to be implemented in the sim. I never said it's not possible to hang your head out of the aircraft.

[MTFDarkEagle]

Nope, no issues here.

[BiBa]

Nope, no issues here.

Before TrackIR came to the Market, your thumb took over the head movement to operate the Joystick's Povehat for view sighting. With TrackIR you started moving your head, but the waist wasn't quite really in use... When you sit still for hours in front of the screen; having the possibility to lean out sideways is not only enhancing your Taxiing sight, but also a good boost for the Bloodstream against neck stiffening. So this TrackIR improvement is, for the love of sport a good and healthy issue! :P

[BabyJail]

What I have heard and read is that space in the cockpit was tight even for guys that are about 5 foot 6 (which is the opposite of "tall" really). Also in WWII the seatbelts were tightened by the crew chief before take off, most likely to the point of being "pretty damn" tight as far as I know. I dont see the possibility for a WWII era Mustang pilot to leisurly hang his arm out the pit during taxi.

 

The guy in that picture might be using a different, more modern harness arrangement than a pilot in WWII. Who knows if he was doing or going to do any aerobatics that day.

 

Try looking over your shoulder whithout moving your upper body. Personally I think that Headtracking ingame makes this a lot easier than it most likely was in the real thing. Thank god! :D

Edited November 25, 2013 by BabyJail

[NineLine]

I think the poll needs updated, we need multi crew WWII fighters so we can have a buddy sit on the wing and help guide us around...

 

[Whiplash]

Now you're on to something!

[BiBa]

I think the poll needs updated, we need multi crew WWII fighters so we can have a buddy sit on the wing and help guide us around...

Hahaa...:lol:

and how about hanging one more buddy beneath the belly,

so every time the plane farts a bom,

he guides it where to come :pilotfly:

[BiBa]

...Also in WWII the seatbelts were tightened by the crew chief before take off, most likely to the point of being "pretty damn" tight as far as I know. I dont see the possibility for a WWII era Mustang pilot to leisurely hang his arm out the pit during taxi. The guy in that picture might be using a different, more modern harness arrangement than a pilot in WWII...

Good information but a weak argument to say no...

 

You want to keep on flying in the 40ties totally tight up, you can simulate that tight phobic atmosphere by adjusting the TrackIR setting to your own demanding - but pls leave me the freedom to make my own setting without limitation and fly in the 21 century and taxi without being strapped tightly, maybe because I'm already using that modern harness, or maybe I just like to park my Mustang on sunset boulevard, roll a joint and pass it over down to my cheerleaders fans of mine, so how the hell am I supposed to do that strapped down like a mummy!?

 

The whole discussion is not about why I want to do that, but rather if that what I'm asking for is a true fact or not, which finally has no effect on all the ones who need no change. So they do their thing, I'll do mine.

Edited November 25, 2013 by Biba