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Hey ho, I just compared the MIL values of the real AF T.O. with the ones in the DCS manual. (T.O. 1F-5E-34-1-1-1980) I wont post it for obvious reasons. DCS manual says: 20°, 1500ft, 400KIAS -> 80 MILS 30°, 2000ft, 440KIAS -> 79 MILS T.O. says: 20°, 1500ft, 400KIAS -> 120 MILS (Section VI, Table 6-10. (Sheet 3), page 6-59) 30°, 2000ft, 440KIAS -> 96 MILS ( as above (Sheet 4), page 6-60) Maybe I am digging in already reported stuff, please tell me. Anybody knows why there is such discrepancy? Which ones are best to use? I want to do it by book. Thumb rules are welcome, I have read a few, but procedures would be ideal.

Hi guys, a lot of conversation here, very nice. Was off for a couple of weeks, business at the former JaBoG 33... Tornado wing :D So I went through the couple of last pages and have to answer a few questions and correct some things: 1. ASSTA 2 was never a thing with the German Air Force. Airbus (had some other name back then) did develop it, but it became a part of ASSTA 3. In ASSTA 3 however, only the CRPMD (Combine Radar and Projected Map Display - "The round center thing in the back seat") and the radar/map projector in the front seat got replaced bei MFCDs. The TV/TABs remained (there are still some in the GAF) and get replaced for MFCDs with ASSTA 4.1 There happend other things, but just that you know how the cockpit changed visually. The old E-scope got changed as well as far as I know. About the MFCDs. They are nice, of course. But actually the old CRPMD had a way better resolution for the GMR (ground mapping radar). I heard a bunch of back seaters saying that for ground radar usage the new birds are actually waste/rubbish. Remember that for my resume at the end... 2. About Night-Cap: first I have to complete the equipment list, it has a Doppler radar for height The Tornado was very much night capable out of the box. More than other birds at that time, with maybe 1 or 2 exceptions being A-6 and/or F-111. NVG was not a thing back then, but I read that the British had field/combat modified jets ('Einsatzsofortbeschaffung' in german) in the early/mid 1990s for their combat operations. Have to check my GR.1 book. 3. About the British variants: The GR.1A had NO canons. Both sides were fitted with SLIR (side looking infra red). Same for the GR.4A. It was the GR.4 that had only one. The standard GR.1 (and GR.1B) had two canons. The GR.1B is a standard GR.1 which is wired for the Sea Eagle. It's really not a different variant. So Sea Eagle should be thing for DCS GR.1. Integrated FLIR came with the GR.4, LRMTS was a thing with the GR.1 and was very useful. Back in the cold war days, the main problem was to get a height fix, to have your bombs actually hit. Every WSO from pre GPS days tells that. LRMTS made it way easier to get a good range and height fix on the target, for me big reason for GR.1 over the German IDS. 4. About the weapons: The Germans use the IRIS-T but only since about 10-15 years, as the British used ASRAAM on their Tornados later on as well. Early 2000 and earlier only AIM-9s were a thing, for all nations. MW-1 and JP-233 were mentioned. Which one is better? I dont know. Essentially, the JP-233 always carried 2 types of submuntion. MW-1 could be fitted with single types but also different types at the same time. I heard that the MW-1 had more punch, but it were German pilots who said that... In the early 90s the British used the JP233 for runway denial in Iraq, it worked, but it was only useful for a couple of days. Iraqi airfields were very huge/wide and those mines which were dispensed were not very useful. I heard the would have liked to be able to use the MW-1 and not use mines but instead more denial bomblets. What really stands out for me personally is ALARM, which to my knowledge was scrapped with the introduction of the GR.4. This ARM is pretty versatile (more than other ARMs) and could be loaded to complement other loads. (On the stubs for example) For me it is kind of a must-have. A 2-ship flight could cover itself with 4-8 ALARMS in Loiter-Mode and still perform a good strike. British philosophy was not to have a dedicated SEAD asset, but that the flights could cover themselves and all birds should have the capability. JP-233 was also scrapped with GR.4, Storm Shadow was introduced with GR.4 (British and Saudi). KEPD Taurus is the German counterpart to Storm Shadow and came with ASSTA 1, as did GPS. 5. About the ECR: I think I have to clarify some things about the ECR (and with it IDS). HARMs can be used on both birds (to this day) As correctly mentioned, they are only used on ECRs in the GAF, but they could use it on IDS birds. The main factor of the ECR is the ELS, that's not a secret. Emitter Locating System. Apart from that it is actually not as special as widely believed. It does emitter location. We can do emitter locating in DCS already. The performance is pretty hard classified. Only thing to tell about that, the US thought about buying the ECR for a while, that comment to how good the ELS is. But other than that, it once had IRLS (IIS) [infra red Line scan / Infra-Red Imaging system], thats not so much of a secret and it once had ODIN, a pretty crappy Data link system, only could do ECR -> ECR (no other bird had that) And it has a FLIR. Also more of a toy from what I heard from actual users. It had the same Jammer as the IDS did, so there is not so much EW magic happening. It is really not that big of a thing. It has no guns. It's a dedicated SEAD/RECON Tornado, I think an early variant is doable. It is nice. But I think it is not necessary, the other variants can do the same thing except for the emitter location, and we would never get its real performance. A GR.1+GR.1A+GR.1B packet would have the same use. And those birds are pretty similar, a lot more than the two F-14s we get. Plus SkyShadow was the better Jammer, but still, EW is crap in DCS atm. Just wanted to mention it. Resume: So for you guys, I don't know what you want, but if you love that cold war striker with a fancy A-G radar (for its time), the earlier birds are simply better. I dont know how good the TARDIS (the British replacement for the CRPMD), I think it is pretty cool. I also think the GR.4 is very capable. But the Tornado was forced into a roll it never was intended for. It did medium altitude CAS and RECON for the last 20 years but the original equipment was not used for that any more. GMR and TFR (Terrain following radar) are not really used any more. I think F-16, F-18 and F-15E will be platforms that can do those things better, apart from carrying 9 Brimstone maybe, or 4 Storm Shadow. But they use less fuel at medium alt. while having better engine performance and agility. The Tornado really is a brick at 15000ft and above, and I am not talking about dogfight. It has to go 450++ knots and below 10000ft to shine. For me it's a GR.1. It had LGB in the 1990s, ALARM, early equivalent of a TGP (TIALD), a nice A-G radar, Sea Eagle (GR.1B) but also that older stuff and could use it to its full potential. My dad was a german IDS cold war WSO, even they said the British simply had better equipment, except for the SMS (store management system). I would be thankful for a ASSTA 1 or earlier IDS, an Italian one, those have ILS. But apart from the GR.4 being very fancy, we have a lot of fancy stuff already and they do better. I think we will be disappointed of an ASSTA 3 (or more) IDS or a GR.4 with the other birds around.

I recently did a night time test in single player out of the mission editor. Even though I communicated with the ATC, no lights were put on. Is this a known bug for Creech AFB?

No problem. Just drop me a message here or on Discord. ( Bananabrai#2968 ) More info on our guys: https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=4177269&postcount=17 F-4 will be the next big thing for me as well, as long as there is no Tornado announced...

Hi, I am not sure if I can trigger your interest, but: I am from germany as well, and as long as there is no Tornado, the Viggen will stay as one of my favorit modules. I founded a german virtual squadron, the vJaBoG 34 "Allgäu". Long story shortened for you: We're basically trying to keep things very simple and fun, but still want to learn proper flying beginning with the YaK and ending on the F-5. There is more to it but we can talk about that later. I really like to fly the Viggen to its potential, however I am struggling to find pilots to fly it with , and most of the time I am alone in the bird. So to have a proper 2-ship I mostly fly other modules at the moment. If I catched you're interest and you happen to have time on a thursday between 2000-2200 LCL, just raise your hand...

War eigentlich nur auf mich bezogen. Im SP ist es mir tatsächlich nicht aufgefallen, nur im ME manchmal.

I would really like China Lake being on the map. Would fit well for the Navy assets...

Eigentlich nur im multiplayer...

Tritt bei mir auch hin und wieder auf. Zur Zeit vermehrt auf Tonopah oder auf dem Beatty airfield.

Did not kow that it has no effect. Similar to the Tornado BOZ. It had chaff to no end but only 28 flares.

Since when has the Viggen NVG? :huh:

For me it worked fine without any login... used the discord link... Also I think it's a good manner to ask the community. Just hope they show the results and wonder if they stick to the voted priority. Maybe they are at a point where it doesnt make a difference what they start next, in terms of "obvious, logical or fincial". Just take that into account.

Only certain combinations are possible. You can combine a few things, but not to many. Just ask if you need support on that.

No smoke pods on the viggen.

:joystick: Just need a bit of Scotland and a GR.1B for that to join this awesome setting. :D

Finally a campaign from you for a module that I own and love! (Viggen? :helpsmilie:) And "Hollywood" sounds great, love story driven! Will there be something like a TARPS RECON style mission? Just one ping would be enough, Vasili... :pilotfly:

About LASER accuracy: The A400M DIRCM is able steer an approaching FOX2 away from it by pointing a LASER into the right spot of the sensor. Don't ask me about the range, thats not public of course. But a big turning Cargo plane (-> the senors are not very close to the aerodynmic center and/or CG and are turning well inside this axis system already) and a small and fast tunring missile is good example how accurate systems can be.

Thanks NineLine G34, G35 and the quad area G36-G39 is working fine for C-130 & B707 (KC135,...) size. havent tested B-1s, they should fit as well. B-52s are indeed a bit to big, but they should fit F79, F58 (& F56), although the last is where the Thunderbirds are if I remember correctly.

1. is doable pretty easy. You just have to do it after every update, clients only (AI does not work) inside: programs/DCS/database/scripts edit the file: me_route.lua somewhere at line 150 copy over the attributes form the helos over to the planes

Finde auch, dass der Vergleich etwas hinkt, aber eher aus einem anderen Grund. Wenn man sich als "anders" (egal in welchem Bereich) autet wird man eher von Fragen, kommentaren und "Fachwissen" überhäuft. Ich dränge meine Lebenseinstellungen niemanden auf. Zumal ich auch glaube, wenn sich jeder VR nutzer hier meldet, sähe das anders aus. Hätte immer mal Bock auf nen Beamer gehabt, bin nie dazu gekommen. Bin immernoch am Monitor. Dieser A-10 Guru auf Youtube hat doch so nen krasses beamer layout. Komm grad nicht auf dem Namen.

Is someone from ED reading this? Where do I at least find the "getStandList" from Nevada/Nellis, so I can modifie the available space of certain parking slots.

No, this is a separat point

And: Fix to inaccurate ELINT-analysis. Is ELINT a bit more accurate now?

I had tankers and Transports for another test. Very same behaviour.

Is there a list what Y-Channels are working for AA? Is only 20Y broken? I have 6 tankers, set to 10, 20, 30, 40 and 60, all Y. We only testen the 20Y one yesterday in MP.