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The question is: On Suncom gimbal the magnets will not turn or sliding left <> right, or move up <> down, but oscillate in X, Y axes in front the sensor. Installing Hall sensor in CH pedal (turning magnet) I discover that plastic pivot induce a small lateral movement on magnet that disturb sensor readings, requiring install bearing. In that "Saturn ring" Suncom gimbal I think this will be accentuated. In T.16KM, Warthog, X-56, the magnet oscillate, but the sensor is "3D". Anyway post the results of your try. :thumbup:

Curious about this mod in Xplane is that the guy made a well detailed , illustrated topic, but don't show a unique picture of Hall sensor/magnet placement in gimbal.

zhutwo This Suncom "USB'risation" keep the original pot's, and axes response (in 10 bits) is good. Author create a custom code for Arduino that set pinky button as momentary shift for other buttons and POV HAT. And little button under POV HAT as well base buttons as "modes" (5). So can use ~80 buttons.

Depends on model, example: More here: http://www.havoc-company.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=1386

No support for keyboard emulation, Gameport to USB adapters just emulate some joysticks, being old - appear around 2000 when they became necessary due transition for USB; typically emulate the "entry-level" reference joystick of the time, like: CH Flighstick: 3 axes, POV HAT, 4 buttos. Thrustmaster FCS: 2 axes POV HAT, 4 buttons. Generic gamepad: 4 axes, 6 buttons (not sure). The "best" adapter is considered Rockfire RM-203 (or their clones). See here how RM-203 clone transform a "2 axes + 18 buttons joystick (Thrustmaster F22PRO) + 4 axes + 10 buttons + mouse throttle (TQS) + 1 axis rudder pedal (RCS) HOTAS in a... "4 axes + 4 buttons HOTAS". :)) In Reddit are reference for "Manhatten" gameport to USB adapter, allegedly with better support, for example for all buttons CH Combatstick (3 axes, POV HAT, 10 buttons), but for me look likes another RM-203 clone. BTW - By less than the cost of RM-203 you buy a Arduino PRO Micro (ATMEGA32u4, 16MHZ, 5v) ~$5 in eBay/Aliexpress, flash with MMjoy2 firmware (a 5 minutes job) and have a modern USB controller with support for 8 axes, up to 128 buttons, but this approach require DIY skill - ability to make solder and tolls.

Rewire, new USB Controller, sensors (and even new gimbal) is requirement.* Gameport to USB adapters (an old 1999 tech 8 bits device) in this old "pass thru keyboard" HOTAS, will give you 2 axis and 2/4 buttons. * Probable the more easy/speed way is use only Suncom grip, wired, for example in T.16000M base.

1 - Buy a replacement from Thrustmaster ~35 euros. The more practical option. 2 - Buy a "military" OTTO HAT in Mouser/digikey ~$100 +, probable need make changes in throttle for adapt, they are big. 3 - Less expensive, just replace the tactile micro-switches inside the HAT base by OMROM B3F series (6x6mm). Pictures of Warthog throttle HAT base. imghost Can make one with with 3D Printed parts, and micro-switches, but no advantage over above options, unless want a specific/exotic design.

Construction and electronics are similar in both. WarBRD have some "points+" in look department. :D But I see T-Rudder as a more flexible solution, came with T-Link software for emulate differential brakes for any plane, in any game, though use of a joy button. And if you use a conventional office chair their operation is less tiresome than back and forth pedal, since you use only base of toes, what give more fine control than legs/hip movement. I see WarBRD as a more a specialized solution for helicopter - is more os less inspired in Mi-8 pedals.

Defective micro stick is easy to replace - but of course, a good excuse for buy a new throttle. :D Just need a ALPS RKJXV1224005 mini joystick, and a piece of breadboard for PCB, and of course some solder.

Seems press back like in Russian fighter throttles: Image cleared: https://i.postimg.cc/T1hBbg9G/VPC.jpg Landing gear handle in "button box". :thumbup:

If is not in warranty (for return) open base and slight tight/loose screws that fit spring, depends on position they create a mechanical deadzone/play on gimbal.

No, at time I give a look, stripe a Suncom pot, but don't seems how that MOD don't cause friction/stiction, an since I have other sticks forget the matter. I believe that Object 77-B is the best option for try

I believe that CAM gimbal leave axis separation more defined, since are two distinct axes points. If you objective is keep Suncom original gimbal - what is similar to Warthog/T.16000, X-5x gimbals operation (all considere so so) the only solution proposed until now is the old DocFlyer pot to HALL conversion, but AFAIK he is the only person who made this conversion, in ~10 years no second feedback is know. In SimHQ sare a link for their PDF instructions. Well, I have 4 or 5 Suncom's laying around, but never use then jus due the lack of practical gimbal solution. 3D Print in "corner of the world" or is very expensive or lack or quality in print and materials Besides Object 77-B in il2sturmovik.ru forum are a guy selling a metal gimbal that fit inside Suncom case. Too need the above spacer, but are based in a kind of pincer, so with more defined center and transition than CAM.

zhutwo If you 3D print "Object 77-b" CAM gimbal, this will fit inside Suncom case and accept contacless sensor. Is just need print a additional spacer. If ask ROSS-Karavan in above topic (write in English under spoiler) he can draw a pole for Suncon grip, will need that you take measures. This gimbal was used in Cobra M-5, VKB Gladiator, HOTAS Cougar sticks.

Good move, taking advantage of the hype of MS 2020. Success. :thumbup:

Because he have a Microsoft Force Feedback PRO (not Force Feedback 2 USB) hence need an USB adapter, made with this "adapt-ffb-joy.hex".

Happens that when Suncom was released (90's) need rely basically in keyboard emulation - for Windows is just a 2 axis 2 buttons joystick, all buttons, HAT's send keypress. I remember that Suncom was sued by Thrustmaster and probable due this can't use their FCS patent who have a POV HAT circuit. So their HAT's are made for press keys, not for POV HAT, that have 4 buttons but 8 directions, in what 2 buttons pressed simultaneous generate a diagonal press in firmware. So if you want that one of this two HAT work as POV HAT (in modern USB controller) need file openings in the diagonals, for pole move in this directions and press two buttons simultaneous. http://theseger.com/projects/2014/04/converting-old-joysticks/ If you use ALPS RKJX... switches (used by VKB, VPC) that have 8 physical directions, can use in both HAT's, but for POV HAT need an special PCB for emulate that have only 4 buttons like a normal POV HAT (but 8 directions), check back in this topic Sergeype posts.

Are pictres in these forums of VKB KG-12B (Bf 109/Fw 190...) grip made in metal, but just a prototype, that don't reach production and was not sold for consumers. And a picture of SCG (Space Combat Grip Kosmosima) made in metal, but for a professional sim contract (military I guess), too no sold for consumers, maybe someone, friendly of the right VKB guy get one, but just one. Perhaps you are remembering one of this pictures... if not, change your medicines. :D

No, VKB don't make grips in metal, they say that are not advantage in this, but some disadvantage (weight, grip CG), only in plastic. If you want metal grip get Thrustmaster F-16 or F-18 grip only, for what VKB has de needed electronic and mechanic adapter (need fit inside grip) and use in Gunfighter base.

Interesting, generally happens the inverse, Windows turn OFF USB ports when go sleep - what can be disabled in power settings; and when wake-up give a new ID for controllers, and people complain about loose joystick settings. Perhaps in your case a fault potentiometer in Saitek (a common thing) are send continuous signals for computer, prevent Windows to sleep. Just a guess. Anyway have you checked in Power Setting's if sleep is not turned off?

supa325 Try "aircraft landing gear control" in eBay, example: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Control-landing-Gear-A4503M9-5/303612844464?hash=item46b0bc59b0:g:U~4AAOSwKiReoeHJ

TCA x T.16000M/FCS One more button (17 x 16) in throttle slider near 0%, OK not much useful unless for Airbus reverse. One of 4 buttons in grip is now over trigger, position that make easy use then as "shift" for the other 2 buttons in grip, achieving more two "virtual buttons". TCA throttle x TWCS Less buttons, axes (in TCA basic module). Contactless sensor in the two throttles X potentimeter in TWCS. Turning levers X slider rails (subject to stiction) of T.16000M/FCS

This Bi-Tech 6127 series has model with 90 degrees of effective electric angle" and other angles, I just don't see the 30 degrees model, despite by mentioned in datasheet. AMS AS5600 contacless sensor can have the "effective electric angle" programmed for match joystick handle movement angle, is supported by FreeJoy firmware for STM32 boards. GVL224 MagRez (KMZ-41) can have the angle desired set through resistors in sensor PCB.

No, because 8 axes per controller is a standard in Windows Games Controllers applet and in games. I know that VKB electronic engineer test 32 axes in their NJoy3NG controller, but since games (not sure about X-Plane) actually don't support, just a concept proof. So you need various controllers with 8 axes, being Arduino +MMJoy2, STM32+FreeJoy firmware's cheap alternatives, specially for the priced BU0836X, with the advantage that this firmware's support advanced sensors, in digital mode (BU0836 has only analog axis inputs), not something for run behind, but expand sensors options for axes.