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I really don't care for your reactions. I didn't ask for them, I'm not in control of them, and I don't appreciate them. In the context of my minor annoyance for radios, having to endure you trying to tell me off is unacceptable behavior, and I will not stand for it. You are in no position to tone police me. IRL I will not tolerate these communications with me. And I will not accept it here. Already I have worked for free to improve this person's mission. Don't you dare tell me about the value of free labor or mission design. As of yet, you have provided zero feedback for Miles' mission. You couldn't even find it without asking for a handhold (it took me less than 45 seconds to find). You are not in a position of moral superiority here. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you're having a bad moment. These happen, maybe it's happening here and now. If you cannot treat me with respect I will not communicate with you. And I will not tolerate your outbursts.

Hi Miles, First, I need to apologize for an error I made. Here I said, I clearly forgot we have the Jardo-1A radio, which in fact can be manually tuned. Oops.. my bad. Pretty much nobody makes use of this radio, outside of well built rescue missions. Anyways, Hey, thanks for taking my very harsh response and making something useful out of it. I didn't really mean to come off that badly, but I'm telling you, this is a unanimous problem. I actually hadn't even joined your server when I made that post, because I was so sure it was true. Thank you for asking the Hind community for tips, and thanks for acting on my testy suggestion. I joined your .miz "Estonian Liberation 10-31-21," in slot "NATO HIND 1-1." I read your briefing, including the images, and looked at the F-10 map. I used the Target range script to locate the target range, and realized it's very far away for a Hind (37 minutes 1-way I calculate). Okay, that's fine. You did a pretty good job setting up the radio. All you could really add (as an option) is the tower frequency for Anapa, considering it's so close. I assume you didn't program the range frequencies 270mhz and 260mhz because it's so far away... What's further needed is that information somewhere in the Briefing... I'm specifically talking the channel numbers. Let me give you an example not related to the Hind: You placed an AWACS in the mission. When you placed it, you gave it (or let it keep) the frequency of 251.0 mhz AM. If you would have ended the process there, the mission wouldn't work, because your users wouldn't know how to contact the AWACS (assuming it was visible on the friendly unit list). Those of us experienced would have gotten lucky, because that looks like a default frequency (in fact they all do) so we could have guessed it. But you understood that part of the process of setting up an AWACS was to inform us how we should contact it. By putting it's information (freq) in the briefing. So back to the Hind. You would like me to check the presets. So I jump into your Hind slot and I'm looking at 4 radios, 3 of which exclusively use presets (and are actually useful). Lets start with R-863, the main radio. I know (highly suspect) it's the one you set up I see I'm sitting cold at some sort of FARP. I should call the FARP Controller to request startup clearance.. which preset is that? For which radio? You see my problem here? For the R-863 I could try calling the FARP on each of the 20 frequency presets until I found the one you set. Then I could repeat the process until I identify every single one of your presets. Likewise, in an A-10C I could call on every single frequency possible with the UHF until I found the one that is tuned to the AWACS. But you already anticipate that problem. I'm just asking to extend that throught process to the Hind (and I guess I should have mentioned that point in my first reply). You don't fly the Hind, so I guess I really shouldn't blame you. In all the instant action missions where you have to call somebody, you are told in the briefing (and often via popup message) which radio to use, which preset channel to select, and who to call. This is easy and seamless, and really makes the radios as easy to operate as they're actually designed. .... Let me tell you how I actually verified your radio setup... despite the complete absence of info in the briefing. I have SimpleRadioStandalone running. I pulled up the radio overlay, which gives me a fictitious real time readout of the radio crystals you inserted during maintenance. I.e. I can see the real time preset frequency. I then compared them to the F10 info (Anapa, FARP) and your briefing. Easy. Without this cheat, it's basically impossible to use the radios for the Hind. Because nobody knows how to build a mission for it (other than ED/Belsimtek). And we Hind pilots have to suffer through this on damn every single mission. (Yes, even *that* mission). Thank god for SRS. Thank you for making the effort Miles, and I hope this helps explain the issue, and the solution needed. I would also suggest that if you make the presets identical for all aircraft (i.e. AWACS is always on #2), you don't have to specialize instructions for each module. Seems Sirrah doesn't like to read the truth...

Get into the habit of saving your controller profiles. Saves you the process of rebinding, just reload the profile if there's a problem.

Unfortunately when watching your track we didn't get that far. After shooting some rockets at the shore line, you fly along a shallow hill next to radio antennas, then as you turn to the left we strike trees and explode...

I think the unit is meters.

That would make sense, considering the initial games of the franchise took place in Crimea... Remember the world in DCS: World is flat. The coordinate system being used is 2 dimensional... just sayin'

You need to set up the radio presets for your hinds. You are the mission maker, it is your job. I disagree with people who think we should have arming window options to tune our radio frequencies. In many modules there is the ability to manually tune radios, it does not exist in the Mi-24. We rely on the ground crew to configure the radios for the combat theater and other mission assets. You are the mission maker. You serve this role as our ground crew. There is nothing more annoying than to join into a hind slot you carelessly plopped into your mission, and I can't communicate with anything in the briefing because you didn't set up the darned radios!!!

Correct. 2-4 degrees per minute. And only when the attitude is within limits to prevent signal removal by (I think) VU-12. 10+ degrees per second. I agree with you, I don't think there are.

Thank you for the confirmation. Yes, agree. I feel my understanding is getting better. They share a lot of similarities, but some important differences. My understanding is it cuts out signal from Induction (Flux Gate) sensor. KM-2 correction value remains as the only signal. No, I think it is as duty of the Pilot Gunner. I would describe it as a directional indication system. An autopilot's operation would be dependent on it, but Greben/GMK-1A would be independent from any autopilot. I think this is a correct use of the system. Have no idea what the "tune" mode (bottom switch) is supposed to do. Seems everything can be done in the OPERATE mode. In the Tu-154 that's a selector for independent gyros a.k.a. a 2 gyro system "GMK-2." According to the maintenance tests, if I understand them correctly.. mode ZK directly controls the HSI. I.e. if I set a declination value of +30°, set ZK, and press the Synchronize button, the Heading Indicator is supposed to slew to 030° +/-1° at a rate of minimum 10°/sec.

In the last patch you said, "KM-2 magnetic declination system compensation implemented. " But it is not. It's merely animated and mouse interactive. I attempt to carry out the tests described here: https://rykovodstvo.ru/exspl/20494/index.html?page=6 They all fail. Settings of the KM-2 have no effect on the rest of the "Greben" GMK-1 system. Track attached. KM2 Inop Bug.trk

It's kinda hard to find this info, but it doesn't pass a common sense test, and I found a tangentially related source to back it up. Please run it by SME's: It's currently possible to select a declination on the KM-2 of +360.0° to -360.0°. I think this should be +180.0° to -180.0°. If it's desired to select a declination of more than 180 degrees in either direction, the selection is identical to the opposite direction minus 180 degrees. i.e. to select +270.0 is the same setting as -90.0. Here is the source for the KM-8 device used in the Mi-8 (and I think L-39). It states a limit of +/-180° Here's a track where I spin the declination knob of the KM-2 for like 10 minutes. Thanks, KM2 Scale Bug.trk

He didn't know how to manage airspeed, so he didn't feel comfortable giving you a target which he himself doesn't have control over. But he has confidence he can control the fuel flow to his engines with his throttles. He adjusts them to the fuel flow he wants and leaves them there. He thinks that's good enough for you. Of course engine power settings (*actual ones* like RPM and EPR) are used for standard configurations during standard flight maneuvers (mostly for approaches) via "pitch and power tables", but at some point some DCS user decided to just set fuel flow, and seems that made up technique is spreading around. EDIT: As the poster above explains, this "technique" is now being "taught," and that might be the same source.

Here: Also, enjoy this navigation test mission I made. CPG ADI Test.trk

Functionally translated by Google; I think that about completely answers my questions of how the system operates. KM-2 panel really is central to the operation of the gyro system. Despite claims in the latest update, it's still not done yet, but the progress is encouraging. I'm excited to use the system as it matures. Just to clarify my understanding, it uses the phrase NV computer. I understand that to be also an INS. It's probably fair just to say the source is any sort of Area Navigation system which can continuously track the latitude. As they probably call GPS an NVU of some sort as well... The real meat and potatoes is 2 pages prior to your link!

SnuggleFairy, this is great stuff, nice job finding it!

Another user doesn't want to read the manual he gets with his new trial jet. Instead would just fumble around aimlessly in frustration. Then blame the software for being broken. Another user: another day. The A-10A's manual sits a 104 pages. Steps for firing the gun are on 95. "I gotta read 95 pages to know how to fire the gun?" They don't teach kids how to use a table of contents, or a search bar apparently.... It's 3 keyboard presses and the bullets start flying.

So....I have a hypothesis.... Placing the Gerben-1 mode knob in ZK doesn't actually put the system into any operating mode. The GMK-1 only has 2 operating modes. "GYRO/MAG aka GPK/MK" The far left position HDG aka ZK enables the "latitude" knob to become a heading adjustment knob. Not how it currently works.. but just an idea. Also looking at images of the panel on the internet. The three round black objects on the left are lights. Top to bottom: Automatic, "TB," Off or Fail....? The part number for the Gerben-1 is PU-38B or perhaps just PU-38

My experience is that you control which gyro drives the indicator with that switch. If it's ON you use the backup vertical gyro, if it's OFF you use the primary one (or visa versa?)

I also don't know the term "quarter deviation" ("четверть отклонения")? In this context.

Good references, thank you! I have a suspicion that KM-2 and KM-8 are different versions of the same device. From the next page: https://infopedia.su/17x1043.html Which google translates: So seems it is a device foreign to western aircraft. About the nearest approximation we have are the correcting magnets within a mechanical compass. It seems with this any heading reference can be set. You can simply correct for deviation, or enter the local variation and use it to indicate true. Or anything else really... But it doesn't slew our gyros in the simulation. Outside the KM-2, I see no way to slew our gyros in the Mi-24P. In the Mi-8MTV2 we have the ZK switch on the SU-26. Clearly the map display is WIP so I assume the gyros just aren't talking to it yet. The next question is are the gyros talking to the DISS-15?

Same. Nothing changes, even when I set a value of -30.0° I've also discovered that the DISS-15 in the Mi-24P has an error of 1.3° East. I.E. when you calculate the desired magnetic course, subtract 1.3 from the answer for this correction. I don't see that. There is no reference to this equipment in the flight manual. You can do that with the ZK switch on the bottom right of the SU-26 control panel. Just adjust the DG (in GPK mode) until it indicates current True Heading. I don't think we have it. I know that control is in the L-39 Cockpit. But as I understand it, it's basically broken.

So it looks like the answer to my question might be the KM-2 control in the front cockpit. I will have to run some tests to learn this control. Also I've noticed my assumption was incorrect. The paper map is not oriented to true north (meridian lines vertical), but instead appears to be what I consider DCS grid north (F10 vertical). So the only thing the KM-2 needs to account for is the DCS magnetic variation. Or, more accurately, the deviation between gyro north and grid north.

What's the issue you're having? I assume an updated manual is a long ways off (but it's coming). Luckily we have sources like yours. And many other Russian aircraft that use nearly identical equipment. And theory which also applies to the western versions...

Thanks. What is the source for those procedures?

Oh, THAT PANEL! My bad! No, there is no required position on that panel to engage route mode. That panel is only related to controlling the gyros, not the AP. Route mode works in all 3 switch positions.