MrDieing Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 (edited) Lately the fact that there is one thread where two aircraft are being discussed at the same time, has itched me. Thats why I created this thread, to keep it all organized and clear for everybody. There is not an awful lot known about this module yet but as time progresses and more news comes I will update this thread including pictures. For now this will be a comprehensive overview of the variant that we are getting, the Mi-24P. I also suggest that we continue future discussion on this module here in order to prevent two discussions running through each other. New additions in green Needs confirmation Mi-24P General characteristics Crew: 2–3: pilot, weapons system officer and technician (optional) Capacity: 8 troops or 4 stretchers or 2400 kg (5,291 lb) cargo on an external sling Length: 17.51 m (57 ft 5 in) Rotor diameter: 17.3 m (56 ft 9 in) Wingspan: 6.5 m (21 ft 3 in) Height: 6.5 m (21 ft 3 in) Disc area: 235 m2 (2,530 ft2) Empty weight: 8,200 kg (18,078 lb) Max. takeoff weight: 12,000 kg (26,500 lb) Powerplant: 2 × Isotov TV3-117 turbines, 1,600 kW (2,200 hp) each Performance Maximum speed: 335 km/h (208 mph, 180 kt) / 270km/h cruise / 217 km/h economical Range: 500 km / 1000 km with four fuel tanks / 160 km combat radius / 288 km combat radius with four fuel tanks Fuel: 1840 L internal - 500 L tanks on each hardpoint Service ceiling: 4,500 m (14,750 ft) Armor Protected against 12.7mm all around, incl rotor blades, cockpit resistant to 37mm rounds Avionics/Self defense Electro optical sight ASP-17V (similar to ASP-17, which is the gunsight on the Su-25) (Possibly with laser-rangefinder, depends on modification) IFF RWR IR Jammer Flares Optional heat diffusers Armament Bear in mind, none of these weapons have been confirmed nor denied. Internal gun fixed twin-barrel GSh-30-2K 30mm autocannon. 250 rounds of uranium depleted shell ammunition. 300 rpm (low) / 2,000 - 2,600 rpm (high) External stores Total payload is 1,500 kg of external stores. Inner hardpoints can carry at least 500 kg Outer hardpoints can carry up to 250 kg Bomb-load Bombs within weight range (presumably ZAB, FAB, RBK, ODAB etc.), Up to 500 kg. MBD multiple ejector racks (presumably MBD-4 with 4 × FAB-100) KGMU2V submunition/mine dispenser pods Gunpods/rockets/missiles GUV-8700 gunpod (with a 12.7 mm Yak-B + 2 × 7.62 mm GShG-7.62 mm combination or one 30 mm AGS-17) UB-32 S-5 57mm rocket launchers S-24 240 mm rockets S-13 122mm rockets UPK-23-250 gunpod carrying the twin-barrel GSh-23L 23mm autocannon (3,400 - 3,600 rpm) B-8V20. A lightweight long tubed helicopter version of the S-8 80mm rocket launcher 9K114 Shturm (AT-6 Spiral) radio guided ATGM in pairs on the outer/middle pylons Possible armament (Depends aircraft modification we are getting, either early or late P) 9M120 Ataka missiles: guidance is apparently identical to Shturm, and a page from Mi-24 manual from 80s listed Ataka among weapon possibilities. Ataka has a bigger warhead, somewhat higher speed, longer range, and option for a blast/frag warhead. Basically a next-gen Shturm R-60 air to air missiles: some Mi-24s in Germany were modified to carry these. But that is more of a special modification than a general ability of Mi-24 7.62mm machine gun on cargo bay door Confirmed features / Special Options Control Helper - as in Mi-8 maybe Rudder Trimmer - as in Mi-8 Autopilot Adjustment -not needed, in Mi-24P the autopilot and press button trim are interrelated Trimmer Mode - probably as in Mi-8 Max FOV adjustment Cockpit Camera Shake Multicrew Pictures of the real thing Update 04/01/2019 We have certainly not forgotten about all the rotor-heads! Work continues the deadly Mi-24P HIND. Using many of the same systems as the Mi-8MTV2, this project is well underway and will be a great addition to the stable of DCS World helicopters. With the advancements in our terrain technology and the ability to create much more detailed low-altitude environments, the HIND will be a joy to fly. Combining both gunship and troop-carry abilities, the Mi-24P will certainly result in outstanding missions and campaigns. Being a two-seat aircraft, the HIND will be a particularly interesting aircraft to fly with a friend online. Update 31/05/2019 Our current helicopter focus is on the updated Ka-50 for DCS: World Black Shark and DCS: Mi-24P Hind. Both projects are progressing well. The Ka-50 update will consist of new functions such as Igla air-to-air missiles and missile warning systems with infrared missile jamming systems in addition to a substantial graphics overhaul. While new cockpit functions will be part of a paid upgrade, the entirely new and improved cockpit and external model will be available for free. In addition to a graphics overall and new features, we will also take this opportunity to clean up any remaining bugs in the Ka-50. The Mi-24P is the next helicopter we are bringing to DCS World, created by the same the same team behind the DCS: Mi-8MTV2. This iconic attack helicopter will feature both front and back seat cockpits (including network and coop play). We are confident that it will be the most realistic simulation of the Mi-24P ever created and will add more outstanding game play for DCS World. Update 25/3/2020 New screenshots https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/downloads/screenshots/1286/ Update 21/08/2020 Mi-24P Hind Development Report Overall The cockpit model: Aft Crew Station and Front Crew Station - 100% completed. Animated cockpit objects: Aft Crew Station - 100%, Front Crew Station - WIP (40%). The external 3D model - 100% Animation of external model objects - 70%. The flight model is complete now and will undergo fine tuning. Power plant - 100%. Helicopter Systems Completed Electrical Power Supply System - 100%; Fuel System - 80%; Hydraulic System -100% Oil Systems - 80% Anti-Ice System - WIP Fire Detection & Extinguishing Systems - 70%; Brake system - 100%, Air Conditioning System - WIP Lighting System - WIP Flight control system (including SAU-V24) - 80% (WIP - SAU setting) Completed radio communication equipment - 100%; Helicopter radio navigation equipment -> 80% (WIP - the map indicator is being revised). Instruments and avionics -> 80% (WIP - connection of operator's cockpit objects). Armament and Weapon control Sight ASP-17V and Analog-Digital Computing Device (AСVU), AUTO and Manual modes - completed Pilot weapon control panel (PUVL) - completed Built-in cannon and mounts (30 mm, GSh-2-30) - completed (with all fire modes) Universal gun or grenade launcher container systems (GUV-1) - completed Bombing munitions and racks - completed Guided weapons (9K113 Guided Missile System with 9M114 or 9M120 missiles) - WIP PKI operator's sight - WIP Rockets UB-32 rocket launchers with S-5 rockets - completed B8V20A rocket launchers with S-8 rockets - completed B-13L rocket launchers with S-13 rockets - completed APU-68UM3 rocket launcher with S-24B rocket - completed The RWR SPO-10 is under development The crew AI (pilot /co-pilot) is currently WIP Edited August 21, 2020 by MrDieing ''Greed is a bottomless pit which exhausts the person in an endless effort to satisfy the need without ever reaching satisfaction.'' 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Magic Zach Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 I was wondering why there were a few around the F4 Phantom and not the MI24 Hind myself! Good idea here. Hardware: T-50 Mongoose, VKB STECS, Saitek 3 Throttle Quadrant, Homemade 32-function Leo Bodnar Button Box, MFG Crosswind Pedals Oculus Rift S System Specs: MSI MPG X570 GAMING PLUS, RTX 3090, Ryzen 7 5800X3D, 32GB DDR4-3200, Samsung 860 EVO, Samsung 970 EVO 250GB Modules: AH-64D, Ka-50, Mi-8MTV2, F-16C, F-15E, F/A-18C, F-14B, F-5E, P-51D, Spitfire Mk LF Mk. IXc, Bf-109K-4, Fw-190A-8 Maps: Normandy, Nevada, Persian Gulf, Syria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Askerov24 Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 Correction! 250 rounds for GSh-30K Sturm V also can be mounted on middle pylons Acer Aspire E5-571G-713W/Intel® Core™ i7-4510U 2.0-3.1GHz/12 GB DDR3 L Memo/NVIDIA® GeForce® 820M 2 GB/1000 GB HDD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradox Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 I was thinking that 750 seemed rather a lot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Zach Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 I feel I need to ask this: Has anyone interested in the Mi-24P read the Monster Hunter book series? I was introduced to the Mi-24 Hind through that book series, with the remarkably skilled pilot Skippy at the controls. Since then, I have been wanting a Hind for DCS! Love this helicopter! Hardware: T-50 Mongoose, VKB STECS, Saitek 3 Throttle Quadrant, Homemade 32-function Leo Bodnar Button Box, MFG Crosswind Pedals Oculus Rift S System Specs: MSI MPG X570 GAMING PLUS, RTX 3090, Ryzen 7 5800X3D, 32GB DDR4-3200, Samsung 860 EVO, Samsung 970 EVO 250GB Modules: AH-64D, Ka-50, Mi-8MTV2, F-16C, F-15E, F/A-18C, F-14B, F-5E, P-51D, Spitfire Mk LF Mk. IXc, Bf-109K-4, Fw-190A-8 Maps: Normandy, Nevada, Persian Gulf, Syria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDieing Posted September 22, 2017 Author Share Posted September 22, 2017 Correction! 250 rounds for GSh-30K Sturm V also can be mounted on middle pylons Thanks for that! And yes, in hindsight 750 was actually quite a lot :D 1 ''Greed is a bottomless pit which exhausts the person in an endless effort to satisfy the need without ever reaching satisfaction.'' Erich Fromm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guitrz Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 You might have forgotten to add the Falanga missiles to the Hind-D armaments (first gen): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9M17_Fleyta [sIGPIC][url=http://www.blacksharkden.com][/url][/sIGPIC] http://www.blacksharkden.com "Come join us" - Bad Religion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Temp89 Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 Man, a chin gun is a key part of the "gunship" experience. A fixed cannon and it'll be like another airplane. Would like to see: Panavia Tornado Panther AS565 English Electric Lightning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sealpup Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 (edited) You might have forgotten to add the Falanga missiles to the Hind-D armaments (first gen): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9M17_Fleyta I do not believe Falanga (3M11) and Shturm (9K114) are compatible. Falanga is an MCLOS missile, where the gunner steers the missile to target, while Shturm is an RF beam-rider. They would require completely different sighting systems. Man, a chin gun is a key part of the "gunship" experience. A fixed cannon and it'll be like another airplane. Well, good thing this is an assault helicopter and not a gunship, eh? Edited September 23, 2017 by Hyena Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoBlue Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 Nice I will follow this topic as I'm eagerly awaiting the Hind ;). Maybe you can add this:https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3200766&postcount=354 i7 8700k@4.7, 1080ti, DDR4 32GB, 2x SSD , HD 2TB, W10, ASUS 27", TrackIr5, TMWH, X-56, GProR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guitrz Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 I don't know why but I figured he was just listing stuff that the Hinds carried [sIGPIC][url=http://www.blacksharkden.com][/url][/sIGPIC] http://www.blacksharkden.com "Come join us" - Bad Religion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinterH Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 There are also a few "maybe" weapons discussed in the big thread: - Ataka missiles: guidance is apparently identical to Shturm, and a page from Mi-24 manual from 80s listed Ataka among weapon possibilities. Ataka has a bigger warhead, somewhat higher speed, longer range, and option for a blast/frag warhead. - R-60 air to air missiles: some Mi-24s in Germany were modified to carry these. But that is more of a special modification than a general ability of Mi-24 - KMGU submunition dispensers Finally, 7.62mm machine guns could be mounted on cargo bay doors. Not that they would be of any use in DCS but, hey... :) I hope later Hinds like the P we are getting can use S-24 too like the older ones did :p. Sent from my ASUS_Z00ED using Tapatalk Wishlist: F-4E Block 53 +, MiG-27K, Su-17M3 or M4, AH-1F or W circa 80s or early 90s, J35 Draken, Kfir C7, Mirage III/V DCS-Dismounts Script Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyso4ek Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 We re probably getting r60 and ataka atgm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDieing Posted September 23, 2017 Author Share Posted September 23, 2017 I have updated the main post, thanks for all the info and corrections guys, keep them coming! ''Greed is a bottomless pit which exhausts the person in an endless effort to satisfy the need without ever reaching satisfaction.'' Erich Fromm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hungaromaus Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 "Crew: 2–3: pilot, weapons system officer and technician (optional)" Okay, but where does the technician sit ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDieing Posted September 23, 2017 Author Share Posted September 23, 2017 Somewhere in here ;) ''Greed is a bottomless pit which exhausts the person in an endless effort to satisfy the need without ever reaching satisfaction.'' Erich Fromm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
molevitch Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 Somewhere in here ;) Having just sat in a Mi-24, I can tell you the engineer's seat is in a dark alcove directly behind the pilot's seat. SCAN Intel Core i9 10850K "Comet Lake", 32GB DDR4, 10GB NVIDIA RTX 3080, HP Reverb G2. Custom Mi-24 pit with magnetic braked cyclic and collective. See it here: Molevitch Mi-24 Pit. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] www.blacksharkden.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxbat155 Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 3'rd men is siting on the bench: or in corridor between cargo compartment and pilot cockpit..... ....using this fancy big pillow with parachute.:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Trooper Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 (edited) Man, a chin gun is a key part of the "gunship" experience. A fixed cannon and it'll be like another airplane. We will have fun working on this problem, the sheer destructive power of the dual (true) 30mils may compensate. Dual door gunners on release will help me adjust.... help me real good. if the weather is right... weapon reloads in the passenger cabin would also help me overcome the chin turret loss. Belsimtek may say it ain't right but believe me, IRL ... there are plenty of rusky pilots that did it in Afghanistan. Edited September 28, 2017 by Rogue Trooper HP G2 Reverb, Windows 10 VR settings: IPD is 64.5mm, High image quality, G2 reset to 60Hz refresh rate. OpenXR, Open XR tool kit disabled. DCS: Pixel Density 1.0, Forced IPD at 55 (perceived world size), 0 X MSAA, 0 X SSAA. My real IPD is 64.5mm. Prescription VROptition lenses installed. VR Driver system: I9-9900KS 5Ghz CPU. XI Hero motherboard and RTX 3090 graphics card, 64 gigs Ram, No OC. Vaicom user. Virpil Mongoose base CM3 & Mongoose stick CM2 (not set for dead stick), Virpil TCS with apache Grip. MFG pedals with damper upgrade. Total controls Apache MPDs set to virtual Reality height. Simshaker Jet Pro vibration seat.. Uses data from DCS not sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Rage* Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 Great idea this thread. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 64th "Scorpions" Aggressor Squadron Discord: 64th Aggressor Squadron TS: 195.201.110.22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackjackk Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 I have always read that it carried 750 rounds of 30mm. Can you please provide your data source where you see 250 rounds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Askerov24 Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 I have always read that it carried 750 rounds of 30mm. Can you please provide your data source where you see 250 rounds? Asked real pilots and technics multiple times about that on open days of our Air Force base. I've also read a lot of times that the amount is 750, but after seeing it with my own eyes I have no doubt that it's 250. Acer Aspire E5-571G-713W/Intel® Core™ i7-4510U 2.0-3.1GHz/12 GB DDR3 L Memo/NVIDIA® GeForce® 820M 2 GB/1000 GB HDD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDieing Posted October 5, 2017 Author Share Posted October 5, 2017 Perhaps this too is dependent on what modification we are getting, lets say the Russian one has 750 and perhaps the Azerbaijanis modified theirs to spare some weight and carry less ammo. ''Greed is a bottomless pit which exhausts the person in an endless effort to satisfy the need without ever reaching satisfaction.'' Erich Fromm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackjackk Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 My guess is that that most of the time they wouldn't fully load the aircraft even though it had the capacity to take more ammunition. I just was curious where you found that information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Askerov24 Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Perhaps this too is dependent on what modification we are getting, lets say the Russian one has 750 and perhaps the Azerbaijanis modified theirs to spare some weight and carry less ammo. We are getting Mi-24P, with fixed, twin barrel GSh-30K cannon on starboard side. I think there is no such thing like "modification" of existing modification, in our case Mi-24P, so it can carry something else. So, no for this. I even can asure you that every single Mi-24P (and it's derivatives, like Mi-24PN and Mi-24PK-2) that flies around the globe can carry only 250 rounds for it's cannon. My guess is that that most of the time they wouldn't fully load the aircraft even though it had the capacity to take more ammunition. I just was curious where you found that information. Yes, you are right, most of the time they (at least our Azeri Mi-24Ps) carry half or even less ammo. For example sometimes they load only 40 rounds (40 CARL!) when they practise at firing range. Currenlty I can't find the needed documentation, but if you check even russian article about Mi-24 on wiki, you'll find 250 rounds for GSh-30K Acer Aspire E5-571G-713W/Intel® Core™ i7-4510U 2.0-3.1GHz/12 GB DDR3 L Memo/NVIDIA® GeForce® 820M 2 GB/1000 GB HDD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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