1.2.8 Open Beta Preliminary Change Log

[SkateZilla]

I never saw anything about dual seats,... grasping at straws.

[Wissam24]

I never saw anything about dual seats,... grasping at straws.

 

Clutching at straws to ask if a dual seat aircraft will have dual seats?

[joey45]

Clutching at straws to ask if a dual seat aircraft will have dual seats?

 

Unless stated in big neon lights........

[Pman]

Clutching at straws to ask if a dual seat aircraft will have dual seats?

 

People were asking about Dual control. The version of the Mustang that is coming simply has a jump seat in the back with the radio removed.

 

There are no controls or gauges in the back of the version they are doing. So Dual control is a non issue

 

Pman

[xaoslaad]

It wouldn't be a bad aicraft for them to start working on multi-seat on. Just getting it to where two people can sit in the pit with one controlling it and one along for the ride is a start.... whether that's their intention, and even if it is, whether that's ready for 1.2.8 only ED knows. I'm happy to have another aircraft in either case...

[NineLine]

We just dont know at this point, they havent said, its not out of the realm of reasonable thinking that it will either be a functioning second seat, or sometime in the future... but we just dont know at this point. Now you can discuss it, but its all assumptions and guessing right now...

[GeorgeLKMT]

Now you can discuss it, but its all assumptions and guessing right now...

 

Official motto of DCS forum :P

 

Anyway, with Su-25T 6DOF, Su-33 6DOF, Eagle AFM and free Mustang ... I won't even know what to try first :joystick: But it should be enough to keep me occupied until all the other good things come.

Edited April 1, 2014 by GeorgeLKMT

[blkspade]

It is kind of non-nonsensical to even want a dual seat/control trainer in a Sim, if you wanted to legitimately use it as such. Mostly do to the benefits of a sim make up for there being no respawns in RL. Now a genuinely functional RIO/WSO slot in a combat aircraft, that would be awesome.

[GGTharos]

... say the people who couldn't tell their radar cone from their burner cans when it comes to BFM training ;)

 

A dual seat trainer would be an incredibly useful asset for training the basics of flight and BFM. And no, you can't do it 'just the same' by flying formation with the other guy, or watching his track, or watching his plane in externals.

 

It is kind of non-nonsensical to even want a dual seat/control trainer in a Sim, if you wanted to legitimately use it as such.

[NineLine]

It is kind of non-nonsensical to even want a dual seat/control trainer in a Sim, if you wanted to legitimately use it as such. Mostly do to the benefits of a sim make up for there being no respawns in RL. Now a genuinely functional RIO/WSO slot in a combat aircraft, that would be awesome.

 

 

I would love the opportunity to ride along, live, with some people, I think it would be hugely beneficial in my opinion.

[kontiuka]

I would love the opportunity to ride along, live, with some people, I think it would be hugely beneficial in my opinion.

You flatter me, sir.;)

[NineLine]

You flatter me, sir.;)

 

 

Yes, riding along with you, seeing all that is wrong with what you do, could aid millions of noobs across the world... ;)

[Jumbik]

Yes, riding along with you, seeing all that is wrong with what you do, could aid millions of noobs across the world... ;)

 

What happens in the plane, stays in the plane.

[sobek]

What happens in the plane, stays in the plane.

 

Yeah, you didn't think that one through. :)

[Jumbik]

Yeah, you didn't think that one through. :)

 

There are some other rules that I should know of? :D

[blkspade]

... say the people who couldn't tell their radar cone from their burner cans when it comes to BFM training ;)

 

A dual seat trainer would be an incredibly useful asset for training the basics of flight and BFM. And no, you can't do it 'just the same' by flying formation with the other guy, or watching his track, or watching his plane in externals.

 

In what way exactly does it fail to be the same thing? Once you've subtracted the ability to actually feel what the plane is doing, and the risk/fear of actual death do to it all being simulated, what are the benefits?

[GGTharos]

Training. There's no substitute for teacher and IP sharing essentially the same view and being able to trade control of the aircraft for demonstration and execution.

 

In what way exactly does it fail to be the same thing? Once you've subtracted the ability to actually feel what the plane is doing, and the risk/fear of actual death do to it all being simulated, what are the benefits?

[Pman]

I would love the opportunity to ride along, live, with some people, I think it would be hugely beneficial in my opinion.

 

I can say with almost certainty that if you could have a ride along mode we would use it in the Virtual Horsemen to show off what its like doing what we do in formation :)

 

If you can implement Rift then even better ;)

[Call911]

All this talk about the free P51 an dual seat makes me wander an hope for dual Huey/MI8 in near future. maybe ED had a break through somewhere.:pilotfly::joystick:

[ZaltysZ]

In what way exactly does it fail to be the same thing? Once you've subtracted the ability to actually feel what the plane is doing, and the risk/fear of actual death do to it all being simulated, what are the benefits?

 

I had opportunity to "teach" people both by using tracks and by standing behind them and giving remarks in real time. Later method was way more effective with lots of people. If you have ability to affect controls, training is even more effective, because it allows student to concentrate on particular stage of complex situation, while instructor helps on others. This is very important thing for virtual squadrons, which do the training even for very greenish pilots.

[NRG-Vampire]

Here it is:

 

DCS World

Added FREE TF-51D for DCS World! This is the P-51D with the weapons, radios and rear tank removed with a jump seat added in the back. This does not include dual controls.

 

 

:thumbsup:

cool, does it mean new 3d model comes with longer canopy ?

 

Edited April 2, 2014 by NRG-Vampire

[Cnuke]

I'm very excited about this great move from ED. A great time to release a 2-seater in spring for all the lovebirds :).

 

It's just a fantastic way to promote DCS. :thumbup:

And to fly over new terrain would be even better. :smilewink:

[SkateZilla]

:thumbsup:

cool, does it mean new 3d model comes with longer canopy ?

 

Not sure, but it maybe the same P-51D, with some slight modifications, and a 2nd seat installed behind the pilot without actually modifying the canopy size.

 

ie:

http://www.mustangsmustangs.com/p-51/?image_viewer/survivors/44-72907/79236127/5151/69

 

I'm very excited about this great move from ED. A great time to release a 2-seater in spring for all the lovebirds :).

 

It's just a fantastic way to promote DCS. :thumbup:

And to fly over new terrain would be even better. :smilewink:

 

2-Seater Visually, however it was never stated both seats were functional, and that the user can move between the 2 seats.

 

As I've said before, everyone jumpin for joy over Dual Seats and stuff are celebrating pre-maturely, as this was never stated to introduce a Dual Seat Feature,

 

It's Simply Put a Free Version of the P-51D.

 

Added FREE TF-51D for DCS World! This is the P-51D with the weapons, radios and rear tank removed with a jump seat added in the back. This does not include dual controls.

Edited April 2, 2014 by SkateZilla

[Shein]

where does one find the open beta once it's available?

[cichlidfan]

The installer is here. It is available now, but it is not 1.2.8 yet.

 

http://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/downloads/world/dcs_world_open_beta/