104th Phoenix Dedicated Server Info

[Frostie]

The combination of good mission + populated server is quite rare

 

But you only want to be in touch with 3 or 4 players at most so why do you need to be in such a heavily populated server.

[Exorcet]

That's the problem. Escorting strikers is boring.

 

It always goes the same way.

 

1. Fly A-10 or K-50 and get blown out of the sky by eight billion AIM-120's

2. Switch to F-15/SU-27/MiG-29

3. Listen as your teammates refuse to get their asses out of the target area and get shot down

4. Discover fighter had an ounce of sense and ran home

5. Hang around and strafe things

6. Get bored

7. Go back to ground attack

8. Wait 20 minutes

9. See step #1

 

Unless somebody is okay with flying around in a fighter doing nothing but trying to conserve fuel for a few hours, this isn't going to change.

 

This doesn't make sense, if strike aircraft are instantly blown up, then there would be plenty for escorts to shoot at. If there is nothing for escorts to shoot at, there is no way #1 is true.

 

In any case, just about every time a strike group has asked for cover, I've gone over there. It's actually quite fun, more like an actual mission than randomly flying around missile jousting.

 

Exactly, that's the problem.

 

I say: F**k realism

 

When I start DCS, I do it to have fun. Sure, a great deal of DCS' fun comes from realism. But getting realistic shot down by a player in a fighter while flying a strike aircraft is not fun.

I'm more often the fighter, but I disagree. Having to deal with enemy fighters makes air to ground more interesting. The big issue though is that the A-10 and Su-25 are terrible at every aspect of that except avoiding detection (which I find fun to attempt).

 

As I understand, the 104th server and missions are designed to work as a public, hop-on-hop-off thing, not requiring coordinated effort.

And the briefings do not task you with hunting strike aircraft. In fact, without reading the opposite side's briefing, you don't even know where they operate. You have no 'connection' to your own ground units in the enemy's TA, so protecting them is not an argument. This is not blue flag. This is not joint warrior. These are no multi-role coordinated missions.

It doesn't take much coordination to announce to the fighters on your team that they can get free kills on distracted enemy aircraft at a certain spot though.

 

If you pull the attention of enemy fighters, then your friendly fighters should be interested in your location.

 

If you want realism, do what the briefing says and protect your strikers. Go to the TA and circle for an hour. Then go back to base, refuel and back on station.

 

Oh wait. That's not fun? Too bad...

Do it all the time, but I have to ask, if there is nothing to shoot at, what is shooting you down?

[gavagai]

Trying to prove that the other guy is illogical helps nothing.:doh:

 

Flying A2G with the danger of interception is more fun than A2G without the danger of interception.

 

But flying A2G and getting your ass shot off repeatedly by fighters is pointless.

 

That's a more charitable interpretation, and I don't think it's unreasonable.

 

When I look at the proportion of aircraft on this server it's about 50% F-15 (flying red and blue), 30% Su-27, and 20% other (I mean occupied slots, not the slots available). It is a special kind of masochist who flies A2G with that kind of lineup, but do you really want him to go away?:huh:

[winchesterdelta1]

I never go really search for the active TA. But if i pick you up and you are in weapon range i will shoot you. After i play with you a bit. I think that is fair.. So they still have time to do some nice maneuvers before they die. Or the chance for me to make a blunder and he kills me. Giving him the time of his life.

[Shabi]

Would it be possible to enable TacView for certain time periods on this server? I ask as it's an awesome learning tool, and fun to recap battles (I've done this after the fact on teamspeak as a sports commentator of sorts).

 

Maybe do it as "TacView Tuesdays" and include it in the MoTD? I'd love to see how people fly in this server, and how this works within the context of the engagement as a whole.

[OldE24]

um i'm gonna bet NOT.

 

 

If you want a tac view go watch the replay...............

[mia389]

But you only want to be in touch with 3 or 4 players at most so why do you need to be in such a heavily populated server.

 

I like to have hi volume airports. AG and AA aircraft. I know quote wasnt towards me but that is a reason I fly cas on a populated server. More for the airport operations. Its fun to see another plane taxi or t/o and land.

 

It really does suck when an A10 takes a lot of time to set up navigation and weapons, systems and gets shot down by an arcade planes that starts by a keystroke. Maybe hot starts for CAS planes and no fuel starts for fighters to offset this imbalance.

 

I think most respectable CAP players do not engage CAS aircraft. If that changes I hope the CAS players do go somewhere else and let the FC3 planes fly together. When I fly fighters there is plenty of fighters to shoot at.

 

Some missions on the 104th I refuse to fly CAS. Some I wont fly fighters. I find CAS to be good on Open Conflict.

[Ktulu2]

If an a-10 sneaks up on you because you didn't shoot it, i'm pretty sure that he would shoot (I sure would).

Also, if escorting CAS, you not only should, but must take down enemy CAS. Not sure where the logic of not targeting ground pounders is.

[winchesterdelta1]

So getting shot down by a full module like Mirage 2000C or MIG-21 is better or when the F-18C comes out. Next time i just take Mirage because then you suddenly don't really mind being shot down in your A-10 or Su-25. And yes.. how many times have i been shot down by A-10C AIM-9 because i just ignored them.. cause i felt bad for them. Everything that fly's and can cause me harm i will shoot down. 90% of the time we won't go actively hunt for you. But if we see you you better hide or find another server where you can fly around chill with no worries.

Edited June 30, 2016 by winchesterdelta1

[Enduro14]

This will only be solved by having all modules same level of fidelity. Or like said go to servers that have only same level of modules active. 104 is exciting for n as a ground striker as you have to fly proper tactics

[TAW_Blaze]

Would it be possible to enable TacView for certain time periods on this server? I ask as it's an awesome learning tool, and fun to recap battles (I've done this after the fact on teamspeak as a sports commentator of sorts).

 

Maybe do it as "TacView Tuesdays" and include it in the MoTD? I'd love to see how people fly in this server, and how this works within the context of the engagement as a whole.

 

All this would cause is a bunch of cheaters flying only on that day, until DCS has reworked export features this is a no go. If this was a thing people would quit flying while it's on alltogether and eventually the server would be either empty or full of people who abuse real time tacview.

 

It really does suck though that you have to run replays to record ACMI, especially when said replays are always buggy. :D

[Big Nuts]

Is the 104th going to update soon?

Cheers.

[Exorcet]

It really does suck when an A10 takes a lot of time to set up navigation and weapons, systems and gets shot down by an arcade planes that starts by a keystroke. Maybe hot starts for CAS planes and no fuel starts for fighters to offset this imbalance.

 

I don't see what this helps. The A-10 can be started just as easily, just use quick start. There's nothing arcade about the FC3 fighters anyway. From the perspective of the A-10 pilot, they are 99% identical to a DCS level module.

 

I think most respectable CAP players do not engage CAS aircraft. If that changes I hope the CAS players do go somewhere else and let the FC3 planes fly together. When I fly fighters there is plenty of fighters to shoot at.

Speaking as a CAS pilot (admittedly very part time, I hope it's the opposite. If the fighters ignore me, they add nothing to the mission. I still remember going into a zoom climb for an AIM-9 kill against a MiG-29 that flew overheat while I was doing A-10C CAS. I'd say it was one of the highlights of my A-10 career.

 

Some missions on the 104th I refuse to fly CAS. Some I wont fly fighters. I find CAS to be good on Open Conflict.

 

I suppose rotating missions is a good thing. Have some set up for cooperation between AA and AG, and others where they have nothing to do with each other.

[OldE24]

Is the 104th going to update soon?

Cheers.

 

104th runs the STABLE build....... so there is nothing to update until they update the release client.

[Shabi]

It really does suck though that you have to run replays to record ACMI, especially when said replays are always buggy.

 

Ahh I see what the previous poster meant by replay. That's a goo

d way to review things, problem solved (except for the buggy part). Edited July 1, 2016 by Shabi
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[DieHard]

Fly Sorties with Adequate Air Cover

 

I like to have hi volume airports. AG and AA aircraft. I know quote wasnt towards me but that is a reason I fly cas on a populated server. More for the airport operations. Its fun to see another plane taxi or t/o and land.

 

It really does suck when an A10 takes a lot of time to set up navigation and weapons, systems and gets shot down by an arcade planes that starts by a keystroke. Maybe hot starts for CAS planes and no fuel starts for fighters to offset this imbalance.

 

I think most respectable CAP players do not engage CAS aircraft. If that changes I hope the CAS players do go somewhere else and let the FC3 planes fly together. When I fly fighters there is plenty of fighters to shoot at.

 

Some missions on the 104th I refuse to fly CAS. Some I wont fly fighters. I find CAS to be good on Open Conflict.

 

I'm usually in the Ka-50.

 

Sometimes, the smarter fighter guys come where we ground strikers are hanging out and pay us a visit.

 

It's a given on the 104th server, expect the enemy to shoot at you.

 

Don't fly pre-planned autopilot courses to the target area. My case with the copter, use the terrain and down low to hide. Pretty hard to hide from an F-15 and a pilot that knows his stuff. A smart pilot will fly other planes, enemy side, to figure out where his opponents are going.

 

Best course of action is to fly the sorties like real life war, get adequate air cover to protect you and your team mates.

 

I know, most of the fighter-jock guys are not interested in this, dog fighting is all they want to do.

 

I don't get shot down very often by the enemy jets in my copter.

 

104th is the best MP server in DCS!! It is what it is.

Edited July 1, 2016 by DieHard

[RIPTIDE]

Is the 104th going to update soon?

Cheers.

Once 1.5.4 hits Stable, we will

[MacEwan]

Yes slightly awkward but if you follow this it should work:

 

Open a command prompt window

 

Type CMD

Open Command Prompt.

Type: CD\

ENTER Key

Type: CD Program Files\Eagle Dynamics\DCS World OpenBeta\Bin\

ENTER Key

Type: DCS_updater.exe update 1.5.3.53279.80

ENTER KEY

Thanks!! Good Tip!!

[D4n]

Are there any known issues or why isn't the open beta declared "stable" yet? (How many weeks usually go by? Cause iirc it'll only go "stable" when there's another beta patch... which could take a month...)

[Ktulu2]

My guess is the F-5 coming out, must have taken some ressources, also it impliments a WHOLE NEW net code, not really minor.

[Pocket Sized]

DCS is in a weird place right now. The Open beta is used for testing features and is generally considered less stable than the release version.

 

But they're testing network improvements so... the open beta is actually way more stable than the "stable" version (1.5.3). Not saying the 104th should update though. (a lot of people don't have 1.5.4)

[Yuya6104]

Why is the 104th squadron so so very dead???

 

I know have real lifes so on , I guess DCS not popular no more.

[TAW_Blaze]

Why is the 104th squadron so so very dead???

 

I know have real lifes so on , I guess DCS not popular no more.

 

Everyone's taking a break.

[winchesterdelta1]

Everyone's taking a break.

 

That means.. Secretly they are polishing their skills to come and take back their own server on a later date ;)

[Jumbik]

Summer time is always like this. Every server is now less populated.