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[Exile5121]

I know plenty about the phantom, Father was one of the people responsible for the development of the aircraft. (specifically the team that was tasked with replacing the APQ72 with the AN\APQ72) Alllllways talked about it, talking about how during training up at elmandorf AFB pilots were complaining about the shoulder harnesses being too thin, Causing people to break collar bones when they dropped flaps spoilers and idled throttle. Really if there is something its really good at its slowing down.

 

Still hate it.

 

That said I hate the mig21 as well, They are 'darts' While the F4 is the better dart its still just a dart. I want a good multi-role that can perform well in many aspects of combat across many different forms of fighting.

 

Not just dart vs dart Or, really, Pointy brick with a big engine in back vs dart running low on vodka (alcohol) reserves.

[BlackLion213]

Not just dart vs dart Or, really, Pointy brick with a big engine in back vs dart running low on vodka (alcohol) reserves.

 

Well yes...that was the state of air combat from the late 1950s-early 1970s. Turbofan engines, the ability to carry a useful load of fuel, and good sensors have totally transformed the situation.

 

But some of us like the historic experience (I strongly prefer it actually: 1940s-1990s).

 

The Phantom was full of faults (in fairness, it's front-line service life was shorter than the development time for the F-22), but in terms of what the USN and USAF wanted (speed, rate of climb, and sensors), it was one of the best fighters in the world. Hence, all 3 services and many US allies chose it. It definitely had limitations (early dogfights between Phantom crews and Skyhawk crews left the Phantoms flabbergasted at their failures - before the days of DACT mind you), but it certainly got the job done.

 

-Nick

[Bogey Jammer]

in fairness, it's front-line service life was shorter than the development time for the F-22

LOL, is the F-22 development finished yet ? :lol:

[OnlyforDCS]

Hey what happened to Rudel's sticky thread? :)

[Nerd1000]

Well yes...that was the state of air combat from the late 1950s-early 1970s. Turbofan engines, the ability to carry a useful load of fuel, and good sensors have totally transformed the situation.

 

But some of us like the historic experience (I strongly prefer it actually: 1940s-1990s).

 

The Phantom was full of faults (in fairness, it's front-line service life was shorter than the development time for the F-22), but in terms of what the USN and USAF wanted (speed, rate of climb, and sensors), it was one of the best fighters in the world. Hence, all 3 services and many US allies chose it. It definitely had limitations (early dogfights between Phantom crews and Skyhawk crews left the Phantoms flabbergasted at their failures - before the days of DACT mind you), but it certainly got the job done.

 

-Nick

 

Australian pilots liked the F-4s we rented from the US so much that we nearly ended up keeping them.

[Cobra847]

Due to the mixed response and increasingly sour thread direction, we decided to remove it for the time being.

 

Working hard to bring you news ASAP.

[OnlyforDCS]

Due to the mixed response and increasingly sour thread direction, we decided to remove it for the time being.

 

Working hard to bring you news ASAP.

 

Thanks for the update. News is great and everything, but it should not come before other more important stuff like building the modules you are making. So, take all the time you need. :thumbup:

 

A few of the very sensitive souls here on the forum, act as if they've never been on the internet before. I'm sure though that most people here appreciate the hard work you are doing and that the wait will be well worth it. Cheers :)

[Coxy_99]

Due to the mixed response and increasingly sour thread direction, we decided to remove it for the time being.

 

Working hard to bring you news ASAP.

 

 

Is the pressure to much? na only kidding whatever is released ill be buying cant wait to see what you have in line for dcs

[badaboom]

Due to the mixed response and increasingly sour thread direction, we decided to remove it for the time being.

 

Working hard to bring you news ASAP.

 

No....Please wait!!!! 90% of us have already lost our mind waiting and Speculating,Surely[May I call you Surely?] You can wait for the 10% who've resisted...They should be along shortly:D

[Stealth_HR]

Due to the mixed response and increasingly sour thread direction, we decided to remove it for the time being.

 

Working hard to bring you news ASAP.

 

That's a damn shame. A community should never take itself so seriously as to lose their sense of humor. I mean, everybody knows about Valve Time, and the ED fortnight, and the Soon™, shame people couldn't take this little jab at us in stride.

[BIGNEWY]

Please keep this thread on topic and not personal.

 

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[MiG21bisFishbedL]

That's a damn shame. A community should never take itself so seriously as to lose their sense of humor. I mean, everybody knows about Valve Time, and the ED fortnight, and the Soon™, shame people couldn't take this little jab at us in stride.

 

It was pretty aggravating to see no one seemingly able to put out a product (on time at least) last year, but we've had a lot of stuff drop in the mean time.

 

Still, c'mon, let's get upset over our inability to spend money on video games.

[Nerd1000]

Still, c'mon, let's get upset over our inability to spend money on video games.

 

Arrgh! I am very upset right now! You can see the anger on my face! -> :mad:

[RaXha]

Wait what did I miss? What thread by Rudel? What's this all about?

 

OT: Still waiting for Viggen

 

He made a new thread titled something like:

leatherneck modules for late 2015 and then he linked in this image with the UFO photoshoped out. :lol:

 

 

ok, might not have been this exact one but it was very similar xD

[Hook47]

I wasn't "salty" about that thread but I understand why some people didn't appreciate it. It would have come across better if it was followed by actual news concerning when we are getting release information.

 

So about that Viggen? What's the consensus? Interceptor or ground attack?

[Sleksa]

I wasn't "salty" about that thread but I understand why some people didn't appreciate it. It would have come across better if it was followed by actual news concerning when we are getting release information.

 

So about that Viggen? What's the consensus? Interceptor or ground attack?

 

I guess with the information we have it's pointing at a interceptor version. One example is the briefly mentioned CRT-screen related stuff, and the multifunction display wasn't a part of the initial AJ strike version, but rather pioneered with the JA interceptor as far as I know. Personally I'd quite prefer the fighter version as it'd be a nice counterpart to the migs and mirages, as well as hopefully having the second functional datalink between player-piloted aircraft.

[Krieg]

One example is the briefly mentioned CRT-screen related stuff, and the multifunction display wasn't a part of the initial AJ strike version, but rather pioneered with the JA interceptor as far as I know.

 

Let's not forget that even old vector displays use CRTs. So no need for MFDs to have a use for "custom shaders for enhanced visual fidelity".

 

Personally I believe the hints point towards an AJ or the upgraded AJS, due to "Ground Mapping and Targeting Radar" and "Complex missiles with Advanced Targeting Parameters" since the JA don't have Ground Mapping Radar, and the only missile with ATP wouldbe the Skyflash and mid course corrections.

 

Advanced Targeting Parameters for AJ37 would be the Rb04 sea skimming and home-on-jam capable anti-ship missile (and Cobras former avatar) and possibly Rb05 (if you think of advanced as in new for DCS) since it would be MCLOS (guided via joystick and a tracer on the missile)

 

The AJS would ad the Rb15F, a more capable and modern anti-ship missile, and also the BK-90 Mjölner, guided glide clusterbomb, taking input from inertial guidance and radar altimeter.

[Hook47]

Let's not forget that even old vector displays use CRTs. So no need for MFDs to have a use for "custom shaders for enhanced visual fidelity".

 

Personally I believe the hints point towards an AJ or the upgraded AJS, due to "Ground Mapping and Targeting Radar" and "Complex missiles with Advanced Targeting Parameters" since the JA don't have Ground Mapping Radar, and the only missile with ATP wouldbe the Skyflash and mid course corrections.

 

Advanced Targeting Parameters for AJ37 would be the Rb04 sea skimming and home-on-jam capable anti-ship missile (and Cobras former avatar) and possibly Rb05 (if you think of advanced as in new for DCS) since it would be MCLOS (guided via joystick and a tracer on the missile)

 

The AJS would ad the Rb15F, a more capable and modern anti-ship missile, and also the BK-90 Mjölner, guided glide clusterbomb, taking input from inertial guidance and radar altimeter.

 

It's weird, because I'm a huge fighter fan, but I am actually hoping for the ground attack version! Ground attack in a fast mover is always a rush, and we have a real nice A2A scene forming already with the M2000C about to drop, some FC3 birds already around, and the F-18 in the pipe.

[AussieGhost789]

It's weird, because I'm a huge fighter fan, but I am actually hoping for the ground attack version! Ground attack in a fast mover is always a rush, and we have a real nice A2A scene forming already with the M2000C about to drop, some FC3 birds already around, and the F-18 in the pipe.

 

Don't forget the A in F/A-18 :P It's going to contribute in a big way to the ground attack scene as well :D

[RaXha]

Let's not forget that even old vector displays use CRTs. So no need for MFDs to have a use for "custom shaders for enhanced visual fidelity".

 

Personally I believe the hints point towards an AJ or the upgraded AJS, due to "Ground Mapping and Targeting Radar" and "Complex missiles with Advanced Targeting Parameters" since the JA don't have Ground Mapping Radar, and the only missile with ATP wouldbe the Skyflash and mid course corrections.

 

Advanced Targeting Parameters for AJ37 would be the Rb04 sea skimming and home-on-jam capable anti-ship missile (and Cobras former avatar) and possibly Rb05 (if you think of advanced as in new for DCS) since it would be MCLOS (guided via joystick and a tracer on the missile)

 

The AJS would ad the Rb15F, a more capable and modern anti-ship missile, and also the BK-90 Mjölner, guided glide clusterbomb, taking input from inertial guidance and radar altimeter.

 

AJS is more likely than the JA since as far as i know the JA shares some avionics with the Gripen, the datalink among some other things, and i imagine most of that would be classified. :-)

[Lucas_From_Hell]

Isn't the Gripen-C equipped with a new datalink today though, or am I thinking of the JAS-39E? I though the JA-37 only inherited some Gripen avionics later in its life, while the base model was relatively simple.

 

On that note, a (very) abridged SAAB PDF on their datalink for the -39: http://sesam.smart-lab.se/seminarier/Hostsem07/Gripen.pdf

[Sleksa]

Isn't the Gripen-C equipped with a new datalink today though, or am I thinking of the JAS-39E? I though the JA-37 only inherited some Gripen avionics later in its life, while the base model was relatively simple.

 

On that note, a (very) abridged SAAB PDF on their datalink for the -39: http://sesam.smart-lab.se/seminarier/Hostsem07/Gripen.pdf

 

This is what footage from YT makes the datalink picture look like:

[WinterH]

From what I gather, first Viggen is AJ-37, attack version. Mid 80s it apparently got some upgrades including Mavericks. Also in the 80s JA-37 interceptor came. Later on, both lines got significant upgrades in AJS-37 for attack and JA-37D for interceptor versions, both being pretty advanced and final variants of Viggen.

 

If it's indeed the Viggen, I think a Maverick and anti ship equipped AJ-37 from 80s might be the most likely variant. Of course, like with F-14 A & B, we may get multiple variants, which would be beyond awesome. But, I think difference between attack and jakt viggen might be bigger than two F-14 versions and can be rather significant.

[MBot]

I can well imagine that an AS-37 would be complemented by an AI-only JA-37 to fill out the scenario (as this is apparently quite important to LNS). But I do not expect that both variants would be developed as flyables at the same time, alas F-14A/B, as the avionics packages of both jets are too different.

[SpeedStick]

This is what footage from YT makes the datalink picture look like:

 

God that pic is so sexy. I don't know why, but it is!