Panavia Tornado by Polychop-Simulations?

[QuiGon]

Aginor is right. The early variants of the german/british IDS-Tornado are pretty much the same, but the modern ones are quite different aircraft regarding avionics and weapons.

Edited January 10, 2016 by QuiGon

[phant]

ADV (F3) variant is quite different, both on airframe and, of course, avionics.

 

Bye

Phant

[Aginor]

Definitely!

But AFAIK Polychop is not interested in the ADV variant, which is why I omitted it in my posts.

[borchi_2b]

:crazy:I forgot about the ADV:crazy:

 

And yes, first things first, but future planning should be done too. As my grandfather said, "there is always something that can be done, so move grandson and take the brom"

 

edit.: did we ever state anywhere what we are really interested in? wondering right now if, and if that is the case, something like heavy metal, a good beer and good food should be written :drink::thumbsup::juggle:

Edited January 11, 2016 by borchi_2b

[Aginor]

Oh, I just realized I assumed something wrong. My fault!

 

My assumption was that since you guys are german that you would have access to german Tornados and more info on them so you would probably not be interested in the (pure UK) ADV version. Also the IDS would probably attract a greater number of users becasue of the reason stated above.

 

Sorry!

[borchi_2b]

Hey you do not have to excuse for an assumption.

We did not take it as offence in any way, me, or maybe we, like to smile and to not put to much value into postings that inherit assumptions, cause nobody besides the team can know what we plan or work on, so it is allright when people come up with assumptions.

We do plan to bring updates now and then but want to release some stuff soon.

After our first release we can speak and plan on stuff like what if and what will be further the line. I´d like to say more but right now it would not be of a good choice to spill at all, cause we want to focus on the gazelle release right now and after that on the bo105 release. Plus a Tornado would probably take 2 - 3 years to be developed proper and function correct as desired, which incorporates a lot of support from your guys in a way of patient waiting times.

Most people do not realise how complex the tornado itself is, but think of a flightmodel that will be alternated by any setup you make on the wing position in degrees on your own, cause it is not automated.

 

cheers sven

[phant]

 

...think of a flightmodel that will be alternated by any setup you make on the wing position in degrees on your own, cause it is not automated.

 

In ADV version, wing sweep is automatic. ;)

 

Bye

Phant

[PondLife]

Both Air Forces used the IDS-variant which is the ground attack version. To my knowledge the differences were pretty small in the beginning but increased over time because by each country respectively.

The ADV-variant has only been in use with the RAF and served as an interceptor.

The Luftwaffe is using the ECR-variant besides the IDS. It's a dedicated SEAD-aircraft with outstanding capabilities in that field (including electronic warfare).

The Luftwaffe also has a recon wing that uses the Tornado as a dedicated recon-platform. They use the IDS-Tornado but with special recon equipment so it's sometimes referred as a variant of it's own.

The German Navy and RAF also used the Tornado as an anti-ship-aircraft.

 

For the different armament used by each country you can take a look at this table in the german wikipedia:

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panavia_Tornado#Bewaffnung_an_Aufh.C3.A4ngepunkten

(it's understandable for non-german speakers too)

 

The RAF used GR1A's of number 2 (AC) sqn which were fitted out with specialist reconnaissance equipment. Number 16 sqn GR1's were equipped with ALARM missiles for the SEAD role. My understanding is also that the GR1's of the Luftwaffe were not equipped with TIALD pods (Thermal Imaging Airborne Laser Designator targeting pod) and therefore could not self designate LGB's - I was an engineer on Tornado's for 10 years during the 80's and 90's

[phant]

 

The ADV-variant has only been in use with the RAF and served as an interceptor...

 

ADV variant also served on AMI (Aeronautica Militare Italiana) and RSAF (Royal Saudi Air Force).

 

 

Bye

Phant

[dotChuckles]

ADV variant also served on AMI (Aeronautica Militare Italiana) and RSAF (Royal Saudi Air Force).

 

 

Bye

Phant

 

Forget the ADV ;) it's all about the ultra low level bombing :thumbup:

[phant]

 

Forget the ADV ;) it's all about the ultra low level bombing :thumbup:

 

Of course, first Polychop's choice will be IDS.

 

That said, IMHO, an ADV variant could be a great success on DCS.

 

F3 had some problems initially (species with his AI.24 Foxhunter radar) but, with last developments, Tornado ADV was a beast.

 

Bye

Phant

[Home Fries]

Just make it the EF3 so we could have another SEAD capable bird. :thumbup:

[QuiGon]

The RAF used GR1A's of number 2 (AC) sqn which were fitted out with specialist reconnaissance equipment. Number 16 sqn GR1's were equipped with ALARM missiles for the SEAD role. My understanding is also that the GR1's of the Luftwaffe were not equipped with TIALD pods (Thermal Imaging Airborne Laser Designator targeting pod) and therefore could not self designate LGB's - I was an engineer on Tornado's for 10 years during the 80's and 90's

 

There was no GR1 (or any GR) Tornado in the Luftwaffe, but the first version of the Luftwaffe IDS Tornado should be pretty much the same. Only difference beeing the designation and armament as far as I know.

But yeah, the Luftwaffe started using TGPs in the early 2000s as part of the ASSTA1 upgrade. They didn't use LGBs until then.

[QuiGon]

ADV variant also served on AMI (Aeronautica Militare Italiana) and RSAF (Royal Saudi Air Force).

 

 

Bye

Phant

 

Indeed, the saudis used it too and I wasn't aware of the fact, that Italy leased some ADVs from the UK during the 90s. :thumbup:

[Johnny Dioxin]

In ADV version, wing sweep is automatic. ;)

 

Bye

Phant

 

My understanding is that he is talking about the flight model in the sim.

 

So, if the angle of wing sweep changes, the programming will require a different set of data to accomodate and replicate the difference in aerodynamics on the model for every angle of sweep.

 

Maybe I misunderstood, but that is what I read in his post - not the wing sweep on the actual aircraft.

[QuiGon]

My understanding is that he is talking about the flight model in the sim.

 

So, if the angle of wing sweep changes, the programming will require a different set of data to accomodate and replicate the difference in aerodynamics on the model for every angle of sweep.

 

Maybe I misunderstood, but that is what I read in his post - not the wing sweep on the actual aircraft.

 

That is what I understood too. The Tornado wing sweep is not entirely free. It can only be swept in three fixed positions (25°, 45°, 6°). But I guess moddeling needs to be done for all kind of wing positions since it sweeps through them when the wing position gets changed. But I would think that in a really good flight model the air flow around the wings should be calculated dynamically anyways.

[borchi_2b]

And here we would go into a subject that is not part of my desk. That is something Pat can answer but not me, if and how this would be realisable.

Plus good info would be needed on the wing and the preformance of it.

Before we can go into that part of programming a lot of different steps need to be made, from first license stuff down to modelling etc etc etc.

I do not want to go to deep into it, but this all requires time and honest effort and some parts of the develoment will have crucial milestones. If they can not be matched then a project might be near to be cancelled for example. Have seen that be fore and we will soee that in the futre, i am certain on such facts.

Any Tornado personal is welcomed to pm me or any other team member.

[dali]

brings back some memories...

 

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[Alicatt]

brings back some memories...

 

 

Me too, it was my first PC Flight Sim, it came out round about the same time as I got my first PC "laptop" Never got to see the game in colour as the laptop only ever had an orange plasma display

 

Before that I had flight sims on BBC Micro, Commodore 64, and Amiga.

[Foxbeard]

Sorry guys for asking this, but is it already decided that Polychop makes a tornado for DCS?

[Aginor]

As far as I know: No. Last they told us they mentioned talking to Panavia about the license for building a Tornado. Before that is settled (and it may take quite some time) there will hardly be any time spent for real development.

They will not build it when there is no license and/or not enough info available.

[jaguara5]

VEAO has official announced, they won't be making the tornado, because

it ' being done by another 3rd party .

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=159076&page=4. (post 36)

So who's developing the aircraft, if not Polychop?

[QuiGon]

VEAO has official announced, they won't be making the tornado, because

it ' being done by another 3rd party .

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=159076&page=4. (post 36)

So who's developing the aircraft, if not Polychop?

 

I'm pretty sure they were referring to Polychop ;)

[Aginor]

Nothing official was announced yet, so we should just wait and see. We all know it is a huge task that can fail in many - even very early - stages. Don't get your hype running yet. ;)

[amalahama]

SSW is doing an excellent work with its Tornado for FSX, so it'd be doable as well in DCS

 

Regards!