J3ST3R Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Hell yeah! RAF GR.4 would make my eyes water and my credit card sing!! INTEL i9 9900k @ 5Ghz, Asus Z390 strix ROG, 32gb 3200mhz Ram, Nvidia GTX 1080Ti, Corsair RM850i, Corsair H110i,, HP REVERB, Win 10 64bit. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBot Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 The IDS-Version is also capable of using HARMs (or ALARMs in case of the RAF). it just doesn't has the dedicated EW-equipment of the ECR-Tornado which can precisely locate, identify, analyze and jam enemy SAMs. The RAF did exactly that. They used the IDS-variant for SEAD with their ALARMs instead of acquiring the specialised ECR-Variant. Good point. I think operationally HARM was in service with the German Marineflieger IDS in the anti-ship role (*cough* Leatherneck Baltic map *cough*). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainstay Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 The IDS-Version is also capable of using HARMs (or ALARMs in case of the RAF). it just doesn't has the dedicated EW-equipment of the ECR-Tornado which can precisely locate, identify, analyze and jam enemy SAMs. The RAF did exactly that. They used the IDS-variant for SEAD with their ALARMs instead of acquiring the specialised ECR-Variant. I don't think the ECR-Tornado would be of much use in DCS, because EW isn't really simulated in DCS, so it could not make use of it's capabilities besides shooting HARMs which the IDS can do as well. Maybe not yet but dont forget the Straight of Hormuz theatre and future theaters where interdiction and SEAD could play a very big role. A fullscale buildup of multiple systematic air defence destruction missions followed up by air to air supiority and mudmovers finishing the job is where i see the future. So yeah a big role is lying ahead for ECR :thumbup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phant Posted December 15, 2015 Author Share Posted December 15, 2015 The RAF did exactly that. They used the IDS-variant for SEAD with their ALARMs instead of acquiring the specialised ECR-Variant... IIRC also ADV version was able to carry ALARMs. Bye Phant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dudikoff Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 (edited) Well about low and moving mud, the tornados were supposed to get new engines. I can not tell which, cause I remember it was some sort of classified or not really, but there were plannings to exchnage the engines and get new once which are in use with a different plane at the moment. the increase of power would have been like the followed stated. I'd expect the potential engine change was in the context of moving from the low level missions to the medium or high level ones where Tornado engines are rather poor performers AFAIK. Edited December 15, 2015 by Dudikoff i386DX40@42 MHz w/i387 CP, 4 MB RAM (8*512 kB), Trident 8900C 1 MB w/16-bit RAMDAC ISA, Quantum 340 MB UDMA33, SB 16, DOS 6.22 w/QEMM + Win3.11CE, Quickshot 1btn 2axis, Numpad as hat. 2 FPH on a good day, 1 FPH avg. DISCLAIMER: My posts are still absolutely useless. Just finding excuses not to learn the F-14 (HB's Swansong?). Annoyed by my posts? Please consider donating. Once the target sum is reached, I'll be off to somewhere nice I promise not to post from. I'd buy that for a dollar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westr Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Why? The Buccaneer can't fly supersonic at low level if at all. I think it's navigation systems are inferior to the Tornado. I mean there is a reason why the Tornado replaced the Buccaneer ;) I think he means that the Bucc was renowned as an incredibly stable airframe at low level, the design was just perfect at very low flying, and was much loved by its pilots. Of course the Tornado is also loved by its pilots to and is a very capable strike aircraft particularly in the low level role with an all weather capability with its TFR. RYZEN 7 3700X Running at 4.35 GHz NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080Ti 32gb DDR4 RAM @3200 MHz Oculus CV1 NvME 970 EVO TM Warthog Stick & Throttle plus 11" extension. VKB T-Rudder MKIV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iLOVEwindmills Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 IIRC also ADV version was able to carry ALARMs. Bye Phant According to this, practically everything could carry the ALARM. http://www.ausairpower.net/alarm-armat.html Don't really see the point of the ECR version, with how limited EW is in DCS you'd essentially have to roleplay it. So is the GR4 possible you guys think? Would it not still be classified? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
104th_Maverick Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 104th Phoenix Wing Commander / Total Poser / Elitist / Hero / Chad www.104thPhoenix.com www.facebook.com/104thPhoenix My YouTube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Call me weird but I want an F.3... ...In addition to all the other variants! :D Lord of Salt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will487 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 DCS Tornado GR4 would be THE dream :D :D [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiteladder Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Call me weird but I want an F.3... ...In addition to all the other variants! :D You are weird..... me too:joystick: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinterH Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 (edited) I'd personally prefer a German IDS with HARM s and that ginormous cluster bomb bag thingy. Frankly, I'd enjoy any version but not too sure about ADV. I'd much prefer an attack version instead. Edited December 16, 2015 by WinterH Wishlist: F-4E Block 53 +, MiG-27K, Su-17M3 or M4, AH-1F or W circa 80s or early 90s, J35 Draken, Kfir C7, Mirage III/V DCS-Dismounts Script Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyre Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Call me weird but I want an F.3... ...In addition to all the other variants! :D Awww, c'mon Sweep, you know you want an F2 fully outfitted with the blue circle uno-mode radar. Truly superior pilots are those that use their superior judgment to avoid those situations where they might have to use their superior skills. If you ever find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! "If at first you don't succeed, Carrier Landings are not for you!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirscorpion Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 instant pre-order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyre Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Hm, the only western engines with ~77kn dry thrust are the latest versions of the F100 and F110 which are about 1.5m longer than the RB199... So I guess they were talking about the still theoretical EJ200 upgrade @80/120kn (which is a public proposal from Eurojet.) And the F-100 and F-110 engines are much wider than the RB199 as well which would require redesigned mid and aft fuselages to allow for higher air volumes to be supplied to the engines and to physically fit the engines into the fuselage. The EJ200 proposal to increase it's mid to high altitude performance would have more merit if the Tornado wasn't already so old. With only about 10 more years left until retirement of the GR4's, and a very limited defense budget the money would be better spent increasing the capabilities of the Typhoon. Truly superior pilots are those that use their superior judgment to avoid those situations where they might have to use their superior skills. If you ever find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! "If at first you don't succeed, Carrier Landings are not for you!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westr Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Awww, c'mon Sweep, you know you want an F2 fully outfitted with the blue circle uno-mode radar. Or the ones with concrete for ballast in the nose. Yes it is true. :) RYZEN 7 3700X Running at 4.35 GHz NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080Ti 32gb DDR4 RAM @3200 MHz Oculus CV1 NvME 970 EVO TM Warthog Stick & Throttle plus 11" extension. VKB T-Rudder MKIV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuiGon Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 I think he means that the Bucc was renowned as an incredibly stable airframe at low level, the design was just perfect at very low flying, and was much loved by its pilots. Of course the Tornado is also loved by its pilots to and is a very capable strike aircraft particularly in the low level role with an all weather capability with its TFR. Yeah, but that also applies to the Tornado which too is regarded as an incredible stable low level airframe even at much higher speeds because of its swept wing. Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuiGon Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 (edited) ;2600547'] I don't think that will happen. I guess Polychop would rather do a german Tornado. But even if they do a british one it would probably be the GR.1 because according to VEAO the GR.4 and its systems are still too classified. But VEAO also still wants to develop the Tornado GR.1 for DCS. For the german Tornado I would expect similar restrictions, so I would expect an older Cold War/90s Tornado. The modern german Tornados with the ASSTA 2 or even ASSTA 3 upgrades that includes glass cockpit with MFDs, Link-16 Datalink and guided weapons are probably too classified as well :( I hope I'm wrong though and we will get a realistic modern version of the Tornado, be it ASSTA 2/3 or GR.4 :) Edited December 16, 2015 by QuiGon Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EntropySG Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 The Tornado GR.4 with Multicrew was my dream for DCS. My last flight in a Tornado was the great Amiga 500 Version ;-) Man, I remember that game when I was a kid, loved it! DCS World version of the Tornado, a dream would come true. :O [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey45 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Or the ones with concrete for ballast in the nose. Yes it is true. :) SHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....:lol: IMHO that was THEEEEEEE BEST radar ever made..:megalol: But yeah the GR1 would be best... then the Jaguar GR3a and the buccaneer.. THEEEEEN the gulf map. The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. "Me, the 13th Duke of Wybourne, here on the ED forums at 3 'o' clock in the morning, with my reputation. Are they mad.." https://ko-fi.com/joey45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slipp Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Could Gr.1 or IDS self designate PGM's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Dioxin Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 (edited) Spectrum version was my fave (on cassette). The in-flight refuelling was a nightmare. with a real sense of accomplishment on success. think there were only 6 missions in the game campaign though, iirc. Edited December 17, 2015 by Brixmis Kneeboard Guides Rig: Asus B650-GAMING PLUS; Ryzen 7800X3D ; 64GB DDR5 5600; RTX 4080; VPC T50 CM2 HOTAS; SN-1 Pedals; VR = Pico 4 over VD Wireless + Index; Point Control v2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dotChuckles Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Could Gr.1 or IDS self designate PGM's? GR1 could with TIALD. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiteladder Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Could Gr.1 or IDS self designate PGM's? The Gr1 could with TIALD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuiGon Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 (edited) GR1 could with TIALD. The Gr1 could with TIALD lol :D But it's true. The RAF used them during Operation Southern Watch to guide Paveway LGBs. But as far as I know they didn't self-designate. They only buddy-designated/lased targets. But self-designation should be possible as well. The Luftwaffe upgraded their Tornados with Paveway-LGBs and Litening-TGPs as part of the ASSTA 1 upgrade in the early 2000s. Edited December 17, 2015 by QuiGon Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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