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The IDS-Version is also capable of using HARMs (or ALARMs in case of the RAF). it just doesn't has the dedicated EW-equipment of the ECR-Tornado which can precisely locate, identify, analyze and jam enemy SAMs. The RAF did exactly that. They used the IDS-variant for SEAD with their ALARMs instead of acquiring the specialised ECR-Variant.

 

Good point. I think operationally HARM was in service with the German Marineflieger IDS in the anti-ship role (*cough* Leatherneck Baltic map *cough*).

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The IDS-Version is also capable of using HARMs (or ALARMs in case of the RAF). it just doesn't has the dedicated EW-equipment of the ECR-Tornado which can precisely locate, identify, analyze and jam enemy SAMs. The RAF did exactly that. They used the IDS-variant for SEAD with their ALARMs instead of acquiring the specialised ECR-Variant.

 

I don't think the ECR-Tornado would be of much use in DCS, because EW isn't really simulated in DCS, so it could not make use of it's capabilities besides shooting HARMs which the IDS can do as well.

 

Maybe not yet but dont forget the Straight of Hormuz theatre and future theaters where interdiction and SEAD could play a very big role. A fullscale buildup of multiple systematic air defence destruction missions followed up by air to air supiority and mudmovers finishing the job is where i see the future. So yeah a big role is lying ahead for ECR :thumbup:

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Well about low and moving mud, the tornados were supposed to get new engines. I can not tell which, cause I remember it was some sort of classified or not really, but there were plannings to exchnage the engines and get new once which are in use with a different plane at the moment. the increase of power would have been like the followed stated.

 

I'd expect the potential engine change was in the context of moving from the low level missions to the medium or high level ones where Tornado engines are rather poor performers AFAIK.


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Why? The Buccaneer can't fly supersonic at low level if at all. I think it's navigation systems are inferior to the Tornado. I mean there is a reason why the Tornado replaced the Buccaneer ;)

 

I think he means that the Bucc was renowned as an incredibly stable airframe at low level, the design was just perfect at very low flying, and was much loved by its pilots. Of course the Tornado is also loved by its pilots to and is a very capable strike aircraft particularly in the low level role with an all weather capability with its TFR.

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IIRC also ADV version was able to carry ALARMs.

 

 

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According to this, practically everything could carry the ALARM.

 

http://www.ausairpower.net/alarm-armat.html

 

Don't really see the point of the ECR version, with how limited EW is in DCS you'd essentially have to roleplay it.

 

So is the GR4 possible you guys think? Would it not still be classified?

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I'd personally prefer a German IDS with HARM s and that ginormous cluster bomb bag thingy.

 

Frankly, I'd enjoy any version but not too sure about ADV. I'd much prefer an attack version instead.


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Call me weird but I want an F.3...

 

 

 

 

 

 

...In addition to all the other variants! :D

 

Awww, c'mon Sweep, you know you want an F2 fully outfitted with the blue circle uno-mode radar.

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Hm, the only western engines with ~77kn dry thrust are the latest versions of the F100 and F110 which are about 1.5m longer than the RB199...

So I guess they were talking about the still theoretical EJ200 upgrade @80/120kn (which is a public proposal from Eurojet.)

 

And the F-100 and F-110 engines are much wider than the RB199 as well which would require redesigned mid and aft fuselages to allow for higher air volumes to be supplied to the engines and to physically fit the engines into the fuselage. The EJ200 proposal to increase it's mid to high altitude performance would have more merit if the Tornado wasn't already so old. With only about 10 more years left until retirement of the GR4's, and a very limited defense budget the money would be better spent increasing the capabilities of the Typhoon.

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Awww, c'mon Sweep, you know you want an F2 fully outfitted with the blue circle uno-mode radar.

Or the ones with concrete for ballast in the nose.

 

Yes it is true. :)

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I think he means that the Bucc was renowned as an incredibly stable airframe at low level, the design was just perfect at very low flying, and was much loved by its pilots. Of course the Tornado is also loved by its pilots to and is a very capable strike aircraft particularly in the low level role with an all weather capability with its TFR.

 

Yeah, but that also applies to the Tornado which too is regarded as an incredible stable low level airframe even at much higher speeds because of its swept wing.

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DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing!

 

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I don't think that will happen. I guess Polychop would rather do a german Tornado. But even if they do a british one it would probably be the GR.1 because according to VEAO the GR.4 and its systems are still too classified. But VEAO also still wants to develop the Tornado GR.1 for DCS.

 

For the german Tornado I would expect similar restrictions, so I would expect an older Cold War/90s Tornado. The modern german Tornados with the ASSTA 2 or even ASSTA 3 upgrades that includes glass cockpit with MFDs, Link-16 Datalink and guided weapons are probably too classified as well :(

 

I hope I'm wrong though and we will get a realistic modern version of the Tornado, be it ASSTA 2/3 or GR.4 :)


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DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing!

 

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Or the ones with concrete for ballast in the nose.

 

Yes it is true. :)

 

SHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....:lol:

 

IMHO that was THEEEEEEE BEST radar ever made..:megalol:

 

But yeah the GR1 would be best... then the Jaguar GR3a and the buccaneer.. THEEEEEN the gulf map.

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Spectrum version was my fave (on cassette). The in-flight refuelling was a nightmare. with a real sense of accomplishment on success.

 

think there were only 6 missions in the game campaign though, iirc.


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GR1 could with TIALD.

 

The Gr1 could with TIALD

 

lol :D

 

But it's true.

The RAF used them during Operation Southern Watch to guide Paveway LGBs.

But as far as I know they didn't self-designate. They only buddy-designated/lased targets. But self-designation should be possible as well.

 

The Luftwaffe upgraded their Tornados with Paveway-LGBs and Litening-TGPs as part of the ASSTA 1 upgrade in the early 2000s.


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