AV-8B Harrier Thread

[sze5003]

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[joey45]

I'll send you my PayPal details later...

 

on ma mobile

[sze5003]

I'll send you my PayPal details later...

 

on ma mobile

Haha nice try.

[Paganus]

Early access today? Maybe? Please? No? 2 weeks?

[Esac_mirmidon]

I must apologize for my posts about mobile air intakes.

 

I´ve thought the Harrier would have some sort of variable air intakes depending on speed, like most of other aircrafts have ( Mig-29, SI-27. F-15), and this would cause this "open" , "close" diference but this is not the case.

 

it´s only a perspective problem, and is very notorious. Depending on the angle, even a very little difference, make the air intakes looks fully open or almost close.

 

Look at the video:

 

The look of the air intakes seems very different taking in count the prespective.

 

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So i´m sorry for my mistake.

[DZShizzam]

I must apologize for my posts about mobile air intakes.

 

I´ve thought the Harrier would have some sort of variable air intakes depending on speed, like most of other aircrafts have ( Mig-29, SI-27. F-15), and this would cause this "open" , "close" diference but this is not the case.

 

it´s only a perspective problem, and is very notorious. Depending on the angle, even a very little difference, make the air intakes looks fully open or almost close.

 

Look at the video:

 

The look of the air intakes seems very different taking in count the prespective.

 

So i´m sorry for my mistake.

 

They don't have variable geometry intakes in a traditional sense, but you're not completely wrong.

 

The intakes don't alter shape with speed during forward flight configuration, but there are extra air intakes that only open during VTOL situations to pull more air into the engines, making up for the lack of forward speed to force air through.

 

[DZShizzam]

Early access today? Maybe? Please? No? 2 weeks?

 

Definitely going to be September. I wouldn't expect it any earlier than the last week of September.

[MikeMikeJuliet]

Definitely going to be September. I wouldn't expect it any earlier than the last week of September.

 

If all accounts are to be believed I don't expect it to arrive any later than the last week of september. So there, we have our release date with the power of deduction...

 

... wait :D

[SkateZilla]

I think what he means is that it looks too much like a modern LCD screen with a perfect green image, rather than the slightly warped/interleaved image presented from a cathode-ray tube.

 

IDK if the AV-8B used a CRT or LCD. But I agree with him that something seems off.

 

Edit: IDK if this is the same model or not https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFeTlIiFpPo. But it does look like a CRT. You can see that the images presented do not take up the entire screen. Some unused space exists between the green light and the edge of the screen

 

The easiest way to tell it's a CRT is the Scanline Sync to the Camera Shutter Speed being used to record it.. lol.

 

LCDs dont have off Screen Camera Scan Lines.

[AG-51_Razor]

QUIT SCREWING AROUND AND TAKE MY MONEY PLEASE!!! :pilotfly:

[Kev2go]

I think what he means is that it looks too much like a modern LCD screen with a perfect green image, rather than the slightly warped/interleaved image presented from a cathode-ray tube.

 

IDK if the AV-8B used a CRT or LCD. But I agree with him that something seems off.

 

Edit: IDK if this is the same model or not https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFeTlIiFpPo. But it does look like a CRT. You can see that the images presented do not take up the entire screen. Some unused space exists between the green light and the edge of the screen

 

because the av8b harrier being developed by Razbam does have LCD's.

 

looks like these:

 

 

Compared to Ingame

 

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Comparing to the 21st century era Hornets bottom screen

 

 

 

the link you posted has a harrier with the older CRT

 

 

 

 

to compare to Hornet with older bottom display

 

 

 

 

 

which were the same type used on the F/A18C MPCD from the 1990's ( the screen at the bottom used for mapping) and k so are the newer LCD's (AMPCD) used on the 21st century era F/A18C Hornet were getting from ED.

 

even though the MPCD is older and a CRt display its capable of full colour ( as evidenced on the moving map page in the Hornet)

 

the AMPCD in adition to be a LCD display unit is also capable of colour.

 

 

Edited August 2, 2017 by Kev2go

[Pasquale1986]

QUIT SCREWING AROUND AND TAKE MY MONEY PLEASE!!! :pilotfly:

 

The Quitting of screwing around was just announced on Facebook :D

[.Tigre.]

They don't have variable geometry intakes in a traditional sense, but you're not completely wrong.

 

The intakes don't alter shape with speed during forward flight configuration, but there are extra air intakes that only open during VTOL situations to pull more air into the engines, making up for the lack of forward speed to force air through.

 

In fact that the Harrier has variable geometry air intakes in a traditional sense i'm new, I never read anything about it confirming it.

 

Let's see what developers say...

 

:pilotfly:

[Vitormouraa]

So I was taking a look at the NATOPs and looks like water injection isn't used when OATC (Outside air temperature in Celsius) is below -5°. Is that because the air density kinda helps the aircraft engine therefore there is no need to use water injection or the water will freeze due the lack of an antifreeze product such as methanol?

 

Fun fact... MW-50 is actually less efficient at cooling down the engine than pure water (for example: distilled water)... so that might be the reason for why they use destiled water only, but I am just guessing :)

Edited August 3, 2017 by Vitormouraa

[drPhibes]

That's an interesting question. I've read somewhere that the bleed air for the blown flaps (and the "puffers") is taken from the hot side of the engine (i.e. where the water is injected), so I guess it's possible that this could lead to ice accumulation when the steam condensates on the cold upper surface of the flaps. But that's just a wild guess.

[Vitormouraa]

That's an interesting question. I've read somewhere that the bleed air for the blown flaps (and the "puffers") is taken from the hot side of the engine (i.e. where the water is injected), so I guess it's possible that this could lead to ice accumulation when the steam condensates on the cold upper surface of the flaps. But that's just a wild guess.

 

There are a few restrictions in terms of temperature when you are spraying the water into the compressor inlet. From the diffuser part to the combustor inlet, there are no restrictions. Spraying water into the engine intake at temperatures below 40°F (4°C), icing is likely to occur.

 

Since the water is being sprayed in the combustion chamber, the Pegasus engine shouldn't have any restriction in terms of temperature. But icing conditions are likely to happen before it's sprayed in the engine, and maybe that's why it has this system:

 

2.3.7.8 Water Injection System -- Conditioned Air

 

To prevent freezing in the water system, a thermal switch and flow control valve taps hot bleed air and circulates it around the system.

[Emmy]

So I was taking a look at the NATOPs and looks like water injection isn't used when OATC (Outside air temperature in Celsius) is below -5°. Is that because the air density kinda helps the aircraft engine therefore there is no need to use water injection or the water will freeze due the lack of an antifreeze product such as methanol?

 

Fun fact... MW-50 is actually less efficient at cooling down the engine than pure water (for example: distilled water)... so that might be the reason for why they use destiled water only, but I am just guessing :)

 

Distilled water also carries far less impurities....

[Vitormouraa]

Yep, minerals aren't good for the engine and the turbine blades...

[amalahama]

I was looking at the pictures posted on RAZBAM facebook page and I was wondering if you guys are going to work a bit more on the designator screen (the green one), I know it's W.I.P but don't get me wrong, I find it too simple, basically just a green filter and nothing more. The Hornet screens on other hand, it feels much more realistic. Any word on the topic Larry or Ron?

 

I'm not complaining, I just wanted more info on it.

 

Cheers.

 

 

Yeah, looking to the wrong CCIP behaviour (In the screenshoots it's obvious that the pitch ladder is not wind-corrected, the Impact point should stay in the ladder's center), honestly the DMT is what worries me the less.

 

But I'm pretty sure lot of people will keep pouring their $$ to them, whatever they do. It's a pity that just a few really care about realism...

 

Regards!

Edited August 7, 2017 by amalahama

[Esac_mirmidon]

Is WIP.

[Vitormouraa]

I do care about realism, and I'm sure most of the people here do as well. :)

[amalahama]

I do care about realism, and I'm sure most of the people here do as well. :)

 

Not especially refering to you, I think your appreciation is totally right ;) , but I hate the "BEST AIRCRAFT EVAA" statements around this post when clear mismatches with real AV-8B avionics can be seen in the shoots.

 

RAZBAM is going to have a thought one with the Harrier, because lot of info is public and people will use, and compare, with the real documentation, something we couldn't do with the Mirage.

 

Regards!

[Vitormouraa]

Not especially refering to you, I think your appreciation is totally right ;) , but I hate the "BEST AIRCRAFT EVAA" statements around this post when clear mismatches with real AV-8B avionics can be seen in the shoots.

 

RAZBAM is going to have a thought one with the Harrier, because lot of info is public and people will use, and compare, with the real documentation, something we couldn't do with the Mirage.

 

Regards!

 

Perfect... That's exactly what I think.

[Esac_mirmidon]

SO we are judging WIP pics?

 

Ok, that´s a new game i dont want to play.

 

Call me when the Harrier is released.

[Vitormouraa]

Well, I am not, I just wanted to know what the developers think about what I said a few pages ago. If they are working on it or not. I wanted to have more info about that before judging anything... ;)