Pasquale1986 Posted August 20, 2017 Posted August 20, 2017 In terms of the DMT I'd consider that to be hugely more advanced than the A-10C, assuming no TGP can be used. However that wasn't really my point, what I was asking was what the process for designating and engaging a target with these advanced, albeit barely integrated systems Maybe the tactical manuals might help there: http://aviationarchives.blogspot.de/2016/05/av-8-harrier-tactical-manuals.html?m=1 Main Module: AH-64D Personal Wishlist: HH-60G, F-117A, B-52H
Tackle Posted August 20, 2017 Posted August 20, 2017 However that wasn't really my point, what I was asking was what the process for designating and engaging a target with these advanced, albeit barely integrated systems From the A1: "The TPOD system supports air−to−ground weapons delivery by providing laser designation for laser−guided weapons, performing laser spot detection for targets illuminated by external designators, and computing target location from optical tracking by CCD, FLIR, or laser spot detector sensors that the pilot can enter into the UFCS to create a system designation." You can use the TPOD to guide in Mavs and GBUs, for the JDAM you need to create a Way-, Markpoint and input the Coords. One step more than in the A-10, but hardly much effort. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Rammit Posted August 20, 2017 Posted August 20, 2017 From the A1: "The TPOD system supports air−to−ground weapons delivery by providing laser designation for laser−guided weapons, performing laser spot detection for targets illuminated by external designators, and computing target location from optical tracking by CCD, FLIR, or laser spot detector sensors that the pilot can enter into the UFCS to create a system designation." You can use the TPOD to guide in Mavs and GBUs, for the JDAM you need to create a Way-, Markpoint and input the Coords. One step more than in the A-10, but hardly much effort. Ok so LGBs will probably be the preferred option, in terms of deploying LGBs, I assume you initially designate the target with the TPOD, lase it to slew the DMT to it, and then conduct a release through the DMT? In that case is there an autolase option given the TPOD has no role in the actual release of the weapon? "If the MWS didn't see it, it didn't happen"
iLOVEwindmills Posted August 20, 2017 Posted August 20, 2017 Interesting...why? Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk I suppose because the FA2 was really difficult to get information about afaik, particularly its radar, and the FRS1 might be a tough sell with the Plus available?
Prowler111 Posted August 20, 2017 Posted August 20, 2017 Well...I'm all for a Frs1 and Gr3 combo..bit at the same time I'm sure the core dev team really needs a breather from anything Harrier related :-) Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk
iLOVEwindmills Posted August 20, 2017 Posted August 20, 2017 Yeah, that would probably be a good way of marketing it and making it sellable. Though that would be a ton of work as well, since they are not all that similar are they. And yeah, I imagine after having done 2 or 3 variants of Harrier you'd be pretty done with the thing for a while.
Vampyre Posted August 20, 2017 Posted August 20, 2017 I don't see why a Sea Harrier FRS1, the actual Falklands war UK carrier borne fighter, would be a tough sell. The only real complaints I foresee would be from the multiplayer dogfight guys who have to have their latest and greatest Sea Harrier FA2 with AIM-120A's so they can be competitive. A Sea Harrier FRS1 and Harrier GR3 would be great for simulating the operations in the South Atlantic. The Razbam Mirage III and Pucara (if they ever decide to resurrect it) would make for a fine start to a simulation of the conflict.:thumbup: Truly superior pilots are those that use their superior judgment to avoid those situations where they might have to use their superior skills. If you ever find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! "If at first you don't succeed, Carrier Landings are not for you!"
.Tigre. Posted August 20, 2017 Posted August 20, 2017 I don't see why a Sea Harrier FRS1, the actual Falklands war UK carrier borne fighter, would be a tough sell. The only real complaints I foresee would be from the multiplayer dogfight guys who have to have their latest and greatest Sea Harrier FA2 with AIM-120A's so they can be competitive. A Sea Harrier FRS1 and Harrier GR3 would be great for simulating the operations in the South Atlantic. The Razbam Mirage III and Pucara (if they ever decide to resurrect it) would make for a fine start to a simulation of the conflict.:thumbup: To make the credible Falkland War Theater there would also be the Super Étendard with Exocet missiles, the Invincible aircraft carrier, etc. and of course the map. In the simulation context in DCS and with reference to the next map of Hormuz, the choice of making the AV8-B I find it more guessed, and I hope that the variant Plus. :thumbup:
shagrat Posted August 20, 2017 Posted August 20, 2017 To make the credible Falkland War Theater there would also be the Super Étendard with Exocet missiles, the Invincible aircraft carrier, etc. and of course the map. In the simulation context in DCS and with reference to the next map of Hormuz, the choice of making the AV8-B I find it more guessed, and I hope that the variant Plus. ^This. I love the british Harrier, but the more I stick my head into books and info about the AV-8B and its combat scenarios, the more I can appreciate the idea of a CAS aircraft supporting USMC troops on the ground around the Strait of Hormuz. Not to mention the USS Tarawa that seems to be in the works to get a proper carrier... Shagrat - Flying Sims since 1984 - Win 10 | i5 10600K@4.1GHz | 64GB | GeForce RTX 3090 - Asus VG34VQL1B | TrackIR5 | Simshaker & Jetseat | VPForce Rhino Base & VIRPIL T50 CM2 Stick on 200mm curved extension | VIRPIL T50 CM2 Throttle | VPC Rotor TCS Plus/Apache64 Grip | MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals | WW Top Gun MIP | a hand made AHCP | 2x Elgato StreamDeck (Buttons galore)
iLOVEwindmills Posted August 20, 2017 Posted August 20, 2017 I don't see why a Sea Harrier FRS1, the actual Falklands war UK carrier borne fighter, would be a tough sell. It would be harder no doubt, especially if it comes out after an Amraam carrying US Harrier with an advaced air to ground suite. Perhaps not to you or most forum regulars who buy everything anyway, but you are going to lose a certain percentage of sales when it comes to the more casual side of things and the people who can't afford to buy everything. Not to mention you'd probably have Harrier fatigue both for the devs and the community if it would go NA/Plus/GR/FRS. Now how much you'd lose is hard to say obviously, but with what I imagine to be slim profit margins losing even a relatively small amount would probably hurt. Also they need to get on with that A7 at some point :music_whistling:
al531246 Posted August 20, 2017 Posted August 20, 2017 Just put a British skin on the RAZBAM AV-8B, you won't be able to tell the difference. You won't find a Harrier FA.2 or GR.7 / 9 for a long while. The Blue Vixen radar the FA.2 used was really advanced and not likely to be declassified within this decade. As for the GR.7 / 9's the RWR technology they had is still being used on Typhoon's and Tornado's. Absolutely no chance of them being declassified anytime soon. I think the AV-8B will satisfy your Harrier needs for the time being. And I'm a die hard Brit so I want muh British harrier as much as y'all do! Intel i5-8600k | EVGA RTX 3070 | Windows 10 | 32GB RAM @3600 MHz | 500 GB Samsung 850 SSD
VooDoo-S8 Posted August 21, 2017 Posted August 21, 2017 Just put a British skin on the RAZBAM AV-8B, you won't be able to tell the difference. You won't find a Harrier FA.2 or GR.7 / 9 for a long while. The Blue Vixen radar the FA.2 used was really advanced and not likely to be declassified within this decade. As for the GR.7 / 9's the RWR technology they had is still being used on Typhoon's and Tornado's. Absolutely no chance of them being declassified anytime soon. I think the AV-8B will satisfy your Harrier needs for the time being. And I'm a die hard Brit so I want muh British harrier as much as y'all do! I often wonder why things like the aforementioned RWR has to be modelled exactly? Can they not just simulate its function? I doubt very much that the RWR on aircraft like the F-15, A-10 and upcoming F-18 replicate exactly the functionality of the real world aircraft. My rig - I5 6600k @ 4.5 - Corsair H100i GTX - Maximus Hero viii - 16GB Corsair Dominator Platinum ROG edition DDR4 3200mhz - Gigabyte 1080ti (Overclocked) - TM Warthog Hotas - Saitek Combat Rudder pedals - Oculus Rift CV1
shagrat Posted August 21, 2017 Posted August 21, 2017 New video... Nice! Shagrat - Flying Sims since 1984 - Win 10 | i5 10600K@4.1GHz | 64GB | GeForce RTX 3090 - Asus VG34VQL1B | TrackIR5 | Simshaker & Jetseat | VPForce Rhino Base & VIRPIL T50 CM2 Stick on 200mm curved extension | VIRPIL T50 CM2 Throttle | VPC Rotor TCS Plus/Apache64 Grip | MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals | WW Top Gun MIP | a hand made AHCP | 2x Elgato StreamDeck (Buttons galore)
Prowler111 Posted August 21, 2017 Posted August 21, 2017 I often wonder why things like the aforementioned RWR has to be modelled exactly? Can they not just simulate its function? I doubt very much that the RWR on aircraft like the F-15, A-10 and upcoming F-18 replicate exactly the functionality of the real world aircraft.Well...as you anotated the rwr can be mimicked in certain ways, but the main issue are external sensors/pods that the aircraft used during it's career, and the way they presented the info to the pilot, but the main core aircraft is not that dissimilar than the AV-8B Nigth Attack Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk
Rammit Posted August 21, 2017 Posted August 21, 2017 Great video, is there any way we could see use of the TPOD and JDAMs? Seems like a very interesting functionality. Also Sidearm depending on how development of that system is coming along? I'm really looking forwards to seeing just how the Harrier deals with modern PGMs "If the MWS didn't see it, it didn't happen"
jojo Posted August 21, 2017 Posted August 21, 2017 (edited) Maybe the tactical manuals might help there: http://aviationarchives.blogspot.de/2016/05/av-8-harrier-tactical-manuals.html?m=1 Yep, TPOD use is in TAC 000 from pdf page 437, or page numbered "1-365". Because TPOD video is provided as maverick emulation, maverick video is not available when TPOD video is selected.p439 This is the kind of "issue" I was thinking of when I was talking about upgrade limits. Also the manual date back to 2002, maybe the issue had been solved today...or maybe not. Edited August 21, 2017 by jojo Mirage fanatic ! I7-7700K/ MSI RTX3080/ RAM 64 Go/ SSD / TM Hornet stick-Virpil WarBRD + Virpil CM3 Throttle + MFG Crosswind + Reverb G2. Flickr gallery: https://www.flickr.com/gp/71068385@N02/728Hbi
.Tigre. Posted August 21, 2017 Posted August 21, 2017 Sorry for the punctuation but the internal shape of the air intake keeps coming back, even considering the perspective speech. This is a real AV-8B, although it's the Plus version, the air intakes are always the same. This is instead an image taken from one of the last released videos. As can be seen in the second image, the Pegasus turbine appears much smaller and irregular than to be round. Does the 3D model of air intakes seem to cover the Pegasus turbine incorrectly, does anyone find the same thing or is it just my impression? Thanks :thumbup:
Ramsay Posted August 21, 2017 Posted August 21, 2017 It's probably just an optical perspective i9 9900K @4.8GHz, 64GB DDR4, RTX4070 12GB, 1+2TB NVMe, 6+4TB HD, 4+1TB SSD, Winwing Orion 2 F-15EX Throttle + F-16EX Stick, TPR Pedals, TIR5, Win 11 Pro x64, Odyssey G93SC 5120X1440
.Tigre. Posted August 21, 2017 Posted August 21, 2017 It's probably just an optical perspective Also consider the perspective but the turbine turns out to be an ellipse rather than circulating. And I do not think the prospect can distort the air intake and turbine up to this point. :thumbup:
Vitormouraa Posted August 21, 2017 Posted August 21, 2017 Also consider the perspective but the turbine turns out to be an ellipse rather than circulating. And I do not think the prospect can distort the air intake and turbine up to this point. :thumbup: You can't even see the turbine from that angle... SplashOneGaming Discord https://splashonegaming.com
Sport Posted August 21, 2017 Posted August 21, 2017 Also consider the perspective but the turbine turns out to be an ellipse rather than circulating. And I do not think the prospect can distort the air intake and turbine up to this point. :thumbup: Camera focal length is probably issue here. There's a lot more telephoto compression in the actual photo, while the screenshot is a wide-angle. I bet if you can replicate the camera focal length, you'll find they're probably similar Come check me out on YouTube! Twitch! Have a listen to the Alert 5 Podcast - YOUR source for the latest combat flight simulation news!
shagrat Posted August 21, 2017 Posted August 21, 2017 Sorry for the punctuation but the internal shape of the air intake keeps coming back, even considering the perspective speech. This is a real AV-8B, although it's the Plus version, the air intakes are always the same. This is instead an image taken from one of the last released videos. As can be seen in the second image, the Pegasus turbine appears much smaller and irregular than to be round. Does the 3D model of air intakes seem to cover the Pegasus turbine incorrectly, does anyone find the same thing or is it just my impression? Thanks Considering, that books and construction drawings from the fuselage and even for the engine exist a plenty, I am pretty sure they didn't "draw the model free hand" and used a CAD program like any other 3rd party. So I am pretty sure it is modeled to scale and with correct geometry. Photographs for comparison need to be from the exact same angle, distance and focal length to show differences. Judging 3D objects with 2D pictures is very difficult... ;) Shagrat - Flying Sims since 1984 - Win 10 | i5 10600K@4.1GHz | 64GB | GeForce RTX 3090 - Asus VG34VQL1B | TrackIR5 | Simshaker & Jetseat | VPForce Rhino Base & VIRPIL T50 CM2 Stick on 200mm curved extension | VIRPIL T50 CM2 Throttle | VPC Rotor TCS Plus/Apache64 Grip | MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals | WW Top Gun MIP | a hand made AHCP | 2x Elgato StreamDeck (Buttons galore)
Automan Posted August 21, 2017 Posted August 21, 2017 I think it's missing the protrusion that let the fan breath more through the blow-in doors: with the correct shape and dimensions we should see a litte more of the fan ACER Predator Orion 9000: W10H | Intel i9-7900X OC@4.5Ghz | 8x16GB Crucial Ballistix Sport | Sapphire GTX1080TI | Intel 900P 480GB | Intel 600P 256GB | HP EX950 1TB | Seagate Firecuda 2TB ACER Predator XB281HK: 28" TN G-SYNC 4K@60hz ThrustMaster Warthog Hotas, TPR, MFD Cougar Pack, HP Reverb Pro
Automan Posted August 21, 2017 Posted August 21, 2017 Considering, that books and construction drawings from the fuselage and even for the engine exist a plenty, I am pretty sure they didn't "draw the model free hand" and used a CAD program like any other 3rd party. So I am pretty sure it is modeled to scale and with correct geometry. Photographs for comparison need to be from the exact same angle, distance and focal length to show differences. Judging 3D objects with 2D pictures is very difficult... ;) Yes Shagrat, we all know that RAZBAM are serious guys, but sometimes the blueprints are incorrect or have missing item, like happened with the housing of the flir sensor. So, as potential buyers and users, we MUST put in evidence what we feel is wrong with model(possibly before the module is released...), providing pics or elements that can help the modellers to fix things if necessary;) ACER Predator Orion 9000: W10H | Intel i9-7900X OC@4.5Ghz | 8x16GB Crucial Ballistix Sport | Sapphire GTX1080TI | Intel 900P 480GB | Intel 600P 256GB | HP EX950 1TB | Seagate Firecuda 2TB ACER Predator XB281HK: 28" TN G-SYNC 4K@60hz ThrustMaster Warthog Hotas, TPR, MFD Cougar Pack, HP Reverb Pro
Ramsay Posted August 21, 2017 Posted August 21, 2017 And I do not think the prospect can distort the air intake and turbine up to this point I agree, the WIP Pegasus fan diameter looks a little small and/or the intake too small. i9 9900K @4.8GHz, 64GB DDR4, RTX4070 12GB, 1+2TB NVMe, 6+4TB HD, 4+1TB SSD, Winwing Orion 2 F-15EX Throttle + F-16EX Stick, TPR Pedals, TIR5, Win 11 Pro x64, Odyssey G93SC 5120X1440
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