AV-8B Harrier Thread

[Silver_Dragon]

good work team

[Coxy_99]

here is a little SITREP on the Harrier:

Currently, i´m madly working in finishing the exterior model, i have deleted so many stuff i thought it was ok when in reality wasnt, and started over some others all over again looking for the finest AV-8B rendering in ANY sim so far, this means LOTS of research and many hits and miss until you get things correctly. The sweet spot is the fact that the cockpit is fairly ready for coding, and that i´m getting just where i want it to be. I can post tons of renderings if you want, or even gameplay pics, but they are really dull at this time. I hope i can deliver some ready-to-code pics in a near future..

 

No please do even if its just one :thumbup:

[Darkbrotherhood7]

No please do even if its just one :thumbup:

 

1+++

Yes please.

[iLOVEwindmills]

Nice, I for one would certainly not mind seeing some pics.

[frixon28]

here is a little SITREP on the Harrier:

Currently, i´m madly working in finishing the exterior model, i have deleted so many stuff i thought it was ok when in reality wasnt, and started over some others all over again looking for the finest AV-8B rendering in ANY sim so far, this means LOTS of research and many hits and miss until you get things correctly. The sweet spot is the fact that the cockpit is fairly ready for coding, and that i´m getting just where i want it to be. I can post tons of renderings if you want, or even gameplay pics, but they are really dull at this time. I hope i can deliver some ready-to-code pics in a near future..

 

Yah I would be thrilled for any more pictures at all! We are all so appreciative that you are taking your time to make it as best it can be and eagerly await the AV-8B and your hard work!

[Angelthunder]

Great work Razbam.I can't wait to fly your Harrier Pack.Any chance you guys could make a Sea Harrier FRS1 or FRS2 later down the road to go with the AV-8B,B+ and GR.7/9 variants since VEAO dropped it from their roadmap awhile ago.

[QuiGon]

here is a little SITREP on the Harrier:

Currently, i´m madly working in finishing the exterior model, i have deleted so many stuff i thought it was ok when in reality wasnt, and started over some others all over again looking for the finest AV-8B rendering in ANY sim so far, this means LOTS of research and many hits and miss until you get things correctly. The sweet spot is the fact that the cockpit is fairly ready for coding, and that i´m getting just where i want it to be. I can post tons of renderings if you want, or even gameplay pics, but they are really dull at this time. I hope i can deliver some ready-to-code pics in a near future..

 

Good news, thanks for the update! :thumbup:

 

I would already be very happy even with dull pictures :D

[BIGNEWY]

here is a little SITREP on the Harrier:

Currently, i´m madly working in finishing the exterior model, i have deleted so many stuff i thought it was ok when in reality wasnt, and started over some others all over again looking for the finest AV-8B rendering in ANY sim so far, this means LOTS of research and many hits and miss until you get things correctly. The sweet spot is the fact that the cockpit is fairly ready for coding, and that i´m getting just where i want it to be. I can post tons of renderings if you want, or even gameplay pics, but they are really dull at this time. I hope i can deliver some ready-to-code pics in a near future..

 

thanks for the update prowler

[frixon28]

I don't know much about the AV-8B(NA) but is it safe to say we wont be able to carry AGM-84 and AGM-88? We should be able to carry AGM-65's I believe. The only other thing I know about the NA is that its from 1991, has a built in FLIR and has a early Map of Earth system.

[phant]

 

here is a little SITREP on the Harrier:

Currently, i´m madly working in finishing the exterior model, i have deleted so many stuff i thought it was ok when in reality wasnt, and started over some others all over again looking for the finest AV-8B rendering in ANY sim so far, this means LOTS of research and many hits and miss until you get things correctly. The sweet spot is the fact that the cockpit is fairly ready for coding, and that i´m getting just where i want it to be. I can post tons of renderings if you want, or even gameplay pics, but they are really dull at this time. I hope i can deliver some ready-to-code pics in a near future..

 

Nice!

 

Bye

Phant

[Skjold]

I don't know much about the AV-8B(NA) but is it safe to say we wont be able to carry AGM-84 and AGM-88? We should be able to carry AGM-65's I believe. The only other thing I know about the NA is that its from 1991, has a built in FLIR and has a early Map of Earth system.

 

No harriers to be knowledge has ever carried the AGM-84 or AGM-88 operationally. The radar is the same as the F/A-18A on the AV-8B+ and supports AGM-84's but i never seen a single picture or manual etc that supports the claim that they are used on the AV-8B+ platform.

 

The AV-8B Night Attack carries no radar but can carry the LITENING pod with laser guidance to support laser guided AGM-65's, LGB's & i also think the AGM-122 Sidearm ARM missile was carried on the earlier AV-8B variants, but not 100 % sure on that one. You also of course will have an assortment of unguided munitions available to you.

 

In terms of Air to Air ordnance you're stuck with AIM-9's only for the AV-8B NA while the AV-8B+ is AIM-120 capable.

 

Edit: Fixed typo regarding Hornet verison

Edit2: Clarified FLIR

Edited August 17, 2016 by Skjold

[Darkbrotherhood7]

No harriers to be knowledge has ever carried the AGM-84 or AGM-88 operationally. The radar is the same as the F/A-18C on the AV-8B+ and supports AGM-84's but i never seen a single picture or manual etc that supports the claim that they are used on the AV-8B+ platform.

 

The AV-8B Night Attack carries no radar, but a FLIR sensor with laser guidance to support laser guided AGM-65's, LGB's & i also think the AGM-122 Sidearm ARM missile was carried on the earlier AV-8B variants, but not 100 % sure on that one. You also of course will have an assortment of unguided munitions available to you.

 

In terms of Air to Air ordnance you're stuck with AIM-9's only for the AV-8B NA while the AV-8B+ is AIM-120 capable.

 

Actually, the radar is the same as the F/A-18A(Till 1991).

The AV-8B+ has the APG-65 radar, while the F/A-18C has the APG-73 radar.:)

[mattebubben]

No harriers to be knowledge has ever carried the AGM-84 or AGM-88 operationally. The radar is the same as the F/A-18C on the AV-8B+ and supports AGM-84's but i never seen a single picture or manual etc that supports the claim that they are used on the AV-8B+ platform.

 

The AV-8B Night Attack carries no radar, but a FLIR sensor with laser guidance to support laser guided AGM-65's, LGB's & i also think the AGM-122 Sidearm ARM missile was carried on the earlier AV-8B variants, but not 100 % sure on that one. You also of course will have an assortment of unguided munitions available to you.

 

In terms of Air to Air ordnance you're stuck with AIM-9's only for the AV-8B NA while the AV-8B+ is AIM-120 capable.

 

Minor correction about the radar sorry but i just have to.

:smartass:

 

the AV-8B+ uses the APG-65 so its the same radar as the F/A-18A

(most radars were taken from F/A-18A aircraft when they were upgraded to the F/A-18A+ Variant by giving them the new APG-73 radar of the F/A-18C ).

 

So its not the "same" radar as on the F/A-18C but its the same family of radar

(with the APG-73 of the F/A-18C being an improved variant).

 

And on subject of the AGM-82 i agree.

 

While there is plenty of claims of the AV-8B+ being Harpoon capable ive not seen definite evidence either way.

 

So it could either be that it does not have the ability or it does have it but its just not used (due to other aircraft being used for the role instead).

 

Since if it was a capability that was commonly used there would probably be more proof for it.

 

Edit:Darn =( spent to long time editing etc so i got sniped ^^.

[Skjold]

Thanks guy for spotting that typo, i edited my OP

[Tirak]

Laser Spot Tracker =/= Laser guiding. It means the plane can pick up the laser, not transmit one. The Harrier needs a TGP to lase.

 

There seems to be quite a few different reputable written sources saying the AV-8B+ can mount Harpoons and HARMs, so frankly I don't view that capability as in doubt.

[Vitormouraa]

Harrier will be able to carry the Litening, as said before here.

[Tirak]

Harrier will be able to carry the Litening, as said before here.

 

I was commenting on Skjold's statement that the Laser support on the Harrier's FLIR let it guide Mavericks and LGBs. The real question is will we see DITER, and if RAZBAM will allow the aircraft to carry LGBs on conventional TERs.

[Skjold]

@Tirak could you name any of these sources that claim that the AV-8B+ uses AGM-84 or AGM-88 operationaly? Or find a picture of a Harrier carrying either?

 

You are correct that the baseline Night Attack cannot lase targets with its onboard FLIR camera, but "a FLIR sensor" was referring to the Litening pod. I really should have made that clear in my OP.

[Tirak]

@Tirak could you name any of these sources that claim that the AV-8B+ uses AGM-84 or AGM-88 operationaly? Or find a picture of a Harrier carrying either?

 

You are correct that the baseline Night Attack cannot lase targets with its onboard FLIR camera, but "a FLIR sensor" was referring to the Litening pod. I really should have made that clear in my OP.

 

Just to start with I've got this:

 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=10&ved=0ahUKEwjT3MvSncnOAhXCJR4KHU3zB_cQFghFMAk&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jfcbs.nato.int%2Fsystems%2Ffile_download.ashx%3Fpg%3D794%26ver%3D1&usg=AFQjCNHkydOaF0mQc-7OyjK9YpKFiSlBVg&sig2=PDquVYY1DX6PdKQeLvaXOA&bvm=bv.129759880,d.ZGg&cad=rja

[Bushmanni]

That leaflet took it's info from wikipedia. (says so at the bottom small print)

[Tirak]

That leaflet took it's info from wikipedia. (says so at the bottom small print)

 

Yep, like I said, to start with. When I get home I'll do some more in depth hunting for yall. Wikipedia claims to be sourced on the information, but it doesn't give me the actual book to check for.

[Tirak]

I'll be damned, I think I'm wrong:

 

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/european-navies-worry-about-harrier-arms-22768/

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/spain-arms-av-8b-with-penguin-66346/

 

Originally Spain, along with Italy, wanted to integrate the Boeing AGM-84 Harpoon with the Harrier but failed to get US Marine Corps funding support. The missile was also deemed too heavy. The Italian navy is believed to be looking at the Alenia Marconi Systems Marte Mk2 for its 16 AV-8Bs.

 

And yet, two books that say it can:

https://books.google.com/books?id=pb5Y2bnujhwC&pg=PA117&lpg=PA117&dq=AV8B+AGM-84&source=bl&ots=jt8wKmC4fL&sig=MlruYrf6AaF73Y6SJa4JJ5ESa4g&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjUws6JpcnOAhVCCsAKHeNUAnM4ChDoAQhAMAY#v=onepage&q=AV8B%20AGM-84&f=false

 

https://books.google.com/books?id=GrJR8oQJHc4C&pg=PA245&lpg=PA245&dq=AV8B+AGM-84&source=bl&ots=Ken36ob_5z&sig=dug5ROxb0CM624QmLpbj7CQ-kkY&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiYio7CpsnOAhUpLsAKHerZCSs4FBDoAQgyMAQ#v=onepage&q=AV8B%20AGM-84&f=false

Edited August 17, 2016 by Tirak

[Skjold]

I'll be damned, I think I'm wrong:

 

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/european-navies-worry-about-harrier-arms-22768/

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/spain-arms-av-8b-with-penguin-66346/

 

 

 

And yet, two books that say it can:

https://books.google.com/books?id=pb5Y2bnujhwC&pg=PA117&lpg=PA117&dq=AV8B+AGM-84&source=bl&ots=jt8wKmC4fL&sig=MlruYrf6AaF73Y6SJa4JJ5ESa4g&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjUws6JpcnOAhVCCsAKHeNUAnM4ChDoAQhAMAY#v=onepage&q=AV8B%20AGM-84&f=false

 

https://books.google.com/books?id=GrJR8oQJHc4C&pg=PA245&lpg=PA245&dq=AV8B+AGM-84&source=bl&ots=Ken36ob_5z&sig=dug5ROxb0CM624QmLpbj7CQ-kkY&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiYio7CpsnOAhUpLsAKHerZCSs4FBDoAQgyMAQ#v=onepage&q=AV8B%20AGM-84&f=false

 

That first Book does the same mistake most sources do, just becouse the radar is capable to guide them on the F/A-18A platform people automatically assume they were integrated on the AV-8B+

[OneBlueSky]

That first Book does the same mistake most sources do, just becouse the radar is capable to guide them on the F/A-18A platform people automatically assume they were integrated on the AV-8B+

 

It gets assumed a lot. You see it on other things as well, like the Tomcat side of the forum. Though the F-14 had "rudimentary" capabilities from day one for A/G with it's radar, they were never implemented properly. Just because a piece of equipment "can" do something or does do something on another bird doesn't mean it will on any other given bird. Capabilities are not always integrated on a platform, or on all platforms if it's used on many. It's always a silly assumption.

[jojo]

Harrier is first a CAS aircraft. And the Marines' aircrafts main purpose is CAS too.

 

So it isn't a surprise that they weren't that much interested in AGM-84.

 

In anti-surface mission it can use AGM-65F (IR guidance and anti ship variant of the family).

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/european-navies-worry-about-harrier-arms-22768/