How come there's no F16 / F22 in the game?

[chlywly]

Are they planning on releasing them? :pilotfly:

[cichlidfan]

Nobody is planning to make either, AFAIK.

[StandingCow]

F22 is too new and too much would be classified so it wouldn't be a simulation to the level that ED aims for.

 

F16 (depending on the block)... I am honestly not sure why there isn't one, as it would be a huge seller. Maybe someday.

[wedge_one]

F-16CM 40 and 50 pls

 

I'm betting this is going to be the next project of Belsimtek after the F-5E.

[Kayos]

I'm thinking DCS will announce the F-16 after the F-18 and ground radar are finished :)

[ricktoberfest]

They have previously said they won't because BMS did a good sim of it, but I still think they should do it. BMS is based on an older engine than even flaming cliffs

 

 

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[MiG21bisFishbedL]

Much of development requires input from the designers, copyright holders, and (most importantly) the nations who defense systems depend on these aircraft.

 

The F-22A is far too classified for addition to DCS.

[StandingCow]

They have previously said they won't because BMS did a good sim of it, but I still think they should do it. BMS is based on an older engine than even flaming cliffs

 

 

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I don't think that statement came from ED, but rather a 3rd party dev. who stated that just they wouldn't do it themselves.

 

I think an F-16 module is a given... eventually.

[SkateZilla]

They have previously said they won't because BMS did a good sim of it,

 

 

Incorrect

[Aginor]

Incorrect

Strange, I remember that as well. Someone associated with ED (dev or moderator, I don't remember) wrote something along the lines of "blablabla several reasons, the elephant in the room being 'that other sim', blabla, big risk because of that blabla something something."

EDIT: Don't remember the year, I think it was during the time when I didn't post here, so between 2006 and 2011. Or shortly after that.

 

EDIT2: Or maybe my memory is much worse than I thought and I am mixing up something I might or might not have read from ED's direction with something I definitely read more than once from VEAO (pman)...

Edited July 12, 2016 by Aginor

[StandingCow]

Strange, I remember that as well. Someone associated with ED (dev or moderator, I don't remember) wrote something along the lines of "blablabla several reasons, the elephant in the room being 'that other sim', blabla, big risk because of that blabla something something."

EDIT: Don't remember the year, I think it was during the time when I didn't post here, so between 2006 and 2011. Or shortly after that.

 

I had made a reddit thread on it after the statement was made, it wasn't that long ago, it was 7 months ago. All it was, was one 3rd party dev stating why THEY didn't want to do it. Had nothing to do with ED.

[Aginor]

Yeah, I definitely remember that statement from VEAO if that's what you mean.

But that one which I mean was - I think - posted not many months after the time when those WIP F-16 pictures from ED appeared on the forums, which I think was before the A-10C release, like....2008 or so.

Those spawned a lot of discussion back then, especially since there weren't any news anymore about the F-16's status (or whether it was planned for a playable release at all, or just a new AI model)

 

EDIT: Some time after this post:

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=503375&postcount=343

 

EDIT2:

And now that I think about it, if it was back in 2008 they didn't say BMS because that wasn't a thing until 2011.

Also I love how they posted WIP pictures back then.... good times.

EDIT3: Also I am sad now. Reading old threads with guys posting in them that are long gone from the community, some even died. :(

Edited July 12, 2016 by Aginor

[firmek]

After F-18 release F-16 should not be on a priority list. Instead DCS would benefit more from fully modeled Russian plane, any (or all :D) of: Su-27, Mig-29, Su-25, Su-24, Su-17/22.

[Aginor]

Hey, where's the MiG-23!? :D

 

I kinda agree though. I like the Viper and would love to have it in DCSW, but I'd like to have other planes with a higher priority.

(especially since we have an F-18 then so my desire for a multi-role western jet will finally be fulfilled)

[firmek]

Mig-23 also for sure :D. The main point is to balance the aircrafts so that both sides have their counterparts. Also in long time perspective to replace FC3.

[JABO2009]

there are for sure some reasons why ED didnt release the F16 so far, its sad, but they have their reasons and we have to accept it Im afraid.

 

But what seems not reasonable at all is the fact , that they didnt even touch the ext. 3d model so far ?? !!! Come on , I mean were' talking about the F16 here !! requested by many of us, no response at all...

 

that said, I think there even have been some pictures around in thread from a new F16 model, even with official DCS / or ED logos in the background ( 2 to 3 years ago ? ) .... some of you might remember..

[gavagai]

So many comments about why it can't or shouldn't be done. It's a good thing the rest of you know so much about the development process and can fill me in. ;)

 

My wish is that if we ever see a DCS F-16C, it shouldn't have that ugly block 40 HUD.:doh:

[StandingCow]

So many comments about why it can't or shouldn't be done. It's a good thing the rest of you know so much about the development process and can fill me in. ;)

 

My wish is that if we ever see a DCS F-16C, it shouldn't have that ugly block 40 HUD.:doh:

 

Who said the F-16 can't or shouldn't be done? I don't see anyone saying that. The F22 on the other hand probably can't.

[Fri13]

Yes, many dreams about F-22, but no I don't want to see it as it would be just so full of compromises or "Not-functional" that it would not be fun to fly at all.

 

F-16... I would like to see F-16A or F-16B as it would make it far more interesting to fly that way. F-16C with fairly new block upgrade just sounds again boring one.

 

And same time the similar for Russian side like the older Mig-23, Mig-25 or Mig-27 even.

[WinterH]

My opinion on F-22 and F-35 is "LOL yeah right".

 

F-16 though, I am not too fussed over it, I can count many, many modules I would prefer to see before a Viper. However, it is one of the most "public" of 4th generation fighters with considerable amount of declassified and good info available, it is one of the best of 4th gen fighters in many categories, and it is just so damn popular due to serving just about everywhere in world. So it is understandable there is a lot of demand over it, and it should be fairly possible to do too. But I personally would only buy it in a sale, or depending on my satisfaction with F/A-18C, I may even pass entirely on it.

 

Another point on F-16, if a Viper is made, but it is F-16A, I can see forums going up in flames, internet collapsing on it and create a virtual singularity, and every F-16 fan stomping so suddenly strongly in concert, causing the planet to tilt it's rotation axis and cause mass extinction :). For some aircraft, first version is OK, or even preferrable to do. In F-16's case though, it's coming of age has arguably been with F-16C, or later upgraded F-16A types which essentially are early/mid block Cs in may of capabilities. Viper has made most of it's marks on Earth in that form, and I don't see a potential F-16 for DCS to be one of the earlies versions. Even I, who jokes about forums like "Meh-16", and who has like hundred modules preferred over Viper, and who also prefers older generation aircraft mostly over the newer ones, would find such a choice very strange in Viper's case.

[Iberian]

I remember writing to the BMS developers and telling them if they would consider to make an F-16 module for DCS, since they already had much of the data it would be easier in some ways for them to create the aircraft here.

 

After post bombardment from BMS-ultranationalists drawing attention to the post, one guy (not sure 100% if he was developer or not) finally replied kindly saying they considered once, but decided to just work improving their sim instead.

 

But made me think, if they had considered it at some point, maybe a few more requests would persuade them to come over to the dark side. :beer:

[gavagai]

F-16... I would like to see F-16A or F-16B as it would make it far more interesting to fly that way.

 

You'd want the two seat version of the F-16?

[Aginor]

Oh dear, F-16A would be the ultimate troll move indeed. :D

[mvsgas]

F-16? Yeah I like those. From block 1 to 60, any of them would be great.

[Boberro]

The people want F-16 which materials are mostly available for. It must be in DCS. Whoever makes decision to postpone this project is weird.