Operation "Blue Flag" - 24/7 PvP Campaign - ROUND 9

[Dino Might]

I used to lament the idea of them even adding SA-3s, because I would be more hard pressed to wipe out an entire air base with just my A-10C. Now, after having done that enough, I've learned that I much more enjoy a need for a coordinated strike package of multiple players to get a job done. The teamwork aspect of Blue Flag is really the best feature, and putting in some tougher defenses would require more of what makes this mission the best one in town.

 

Right now, there is little reason to take an SU-25T over an A-10C. But give us some longer range radar SAMs, and SU-25T will play an integral role. Not a problem for the teams because both sides get it, and it's the free module that everyone has.

 

I also think it would be a great benefit so 5 F-15s can't overfly every red airbase without any fear of effective air defense systems while vulching every lone red player taking off, when he already has the odds stacked so terribly against him.

[BodyOrgan]

And the SRS using team is victorious again. Can someone give the mission a kick and reset it? :D

Come on man, do you really think this is the reason Bluefor won?

 

Map is 100% blue.Congrats team!

WTG Painter! Now when am I going to see you fly for the red side? We even negotiated this deal to procure some shiny new Huey's for you.

Edited April 29, 2017 by BodyOrgan

[CrashO]

Come on man, do you really think this is the reason Bluefor won?.

Of course not. One can dream though...

 

The real reason was red killing their own troops. :pilotfly:

That was really helpfull

 

Edited April 29, 2017 by CrashO

[microvax]

SA3s can be overflown but not easily, requires a bit of knowledge of the system etc.

 

I dont mind the SA11 threat, but its going to be pretty pointless because for example no way to fight between gudauta and sochi with that.

 

I think its good that there is the SA3. It prevents the stomp from single a10c in one go, and it gives a motivation to actually deploy sa6 and manpads to fortify positions against air raids.

 

I would very much stick with the sa3, its actually more effective against high alt threats then the sa6.

[-Painter-]

Now when am I going to see you fly for the red side? We even negotiated this deal to procure some shiny new Huey's for you.

Oh thx, but I am afraid I will stick to blue side ;)

Some reasons:

- I am in love with SimpleRadioStandalone and the way it is used on blue side. For me it is like 20 % of the whole immersion of this simulation. And it is extremely useful to have a split between "chit-chat"+pre-planning=Teamspeak (you can easily mute TS when you need to focus in a certain situation, but you not lose your combat comms when doing so) on one hand and brevity combat comms with different channels (GCI, flight-intercom etc.)=SRS on the other hand. Not to mention that comms via SRS sound more like real radio transmissions than comms via TS.

- I began flying Blueflag when it was like a cold-war scenario east vs. west. In my head it is still like that, even when both sides get some of the opposite sides aircraft. And I personally identify myself more with the western side but the eastern side. You will easily understand that from my personal background when you look to the left and see what city I am from ;)

- I found buddies on blue side who I am really enjoying to fly with and communicate with (chit-chat included :D ). Pretty sure that on the russian side also are nice person (maybe ;) ), but it is a bit like "never change a winning team" :D

 

CU you in the Blueflag skies ;)

Edited April 30, 2017 by -Painter-

[nrgized]

Server looks stuck on reset... Reboot?

[Ciribob]

Server looks stuck on reset... Reboot?

 

Back up now :thumbup:

[Dino Might]

What if we added another SA-3 site to each airbase? Right now, the single SA-3 is easy prey to even an A-10C or a psychotic F-5 pilot (ask me how I know).

[xcom]

We have removed the ships, please let us know if you see any improvement with the Lag which was reported.

[BSS_Sniper]

Pushing into pak5 when your only fighters are on maykop and minvody is a complete pain. It just does not happen when there are actually people defending it who have a slight idea of what they are doing. The flight distances are way too long for the attackers, and any lost plane means at least a 130nm flight from the closest base.

 

Any defender that gets lost is back on station as soon as his wheels are up. That's not even counting the farp and deployed defenses.

 

 

 

I wish I had a smiley that showed me rolling my eyes. lol You do realize that we have to do that when you have 30 blue on and 5 of us and we're pushed back to kras c and p, right? Maybe when we have to take three airfields at once at tblisi and we almost always do this with a numbers disadvantage and we don't get the planes as we advance, like you do.

[iLOVEwindmills]

I wish I had a smiley that showed me rolling my eyes. lol You do realize that we have to do that when you have 30 blue on and 5 of us and we're pushed back to kras c and p, right? Maybe when we have to take three airfields at once at tblisi and we almost always do this with a numbers disadvantage and we don't get the planes as we advance, like you do.

 

 

Who is this we and us you are talking about? I don't even know who you are or what side you fly. I never even mentioned sides being relevant in this but it seems some cannot help but take things personally because of some perceived slight to 'their' side.

 

No, you can't normally push into 3 far airfields when you need to split your forces between CAP/CAS/SEAD/helo, and you have 10x the flight time while there is a defense that can go pure CAP.

Edited May 1, 2017 by iLOVEwindmills

[Tello]

Having massive lag problems I will happily report back any issues. (Even though my ping never get above 100) :thumbup:

 

Happy testing everyone

 

We have removed the ships, please let us know if you see any improvement with the Lag which was reported.

[Sierra99]

How about removing or increasing the lives limit during testing?

[lemoen]

How about removing or increasing the lives limit during testing?

 

 

 

I would rather have them decreased. Also take into account deaths vs time out.

 

 

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[Oceandar]

How about make it more realistic ? I mean when one airbase has suffered 12 losses of F-15 then you no longer able to fly it.

[jejsus]

Don't know about a lag as I wasn't around lately but I have connection timeout each time I try to connect. Ping displayed is around 60ms.

[BSS_Sniper]

Who is this we and us you are talking about? I don't even know who you are or what side you fly. I never even mentioned sides being relevant in this but it seems some cannot help but take things personally because of some perceived slight to 'their' side.

 

No, you can't normally push into 3 far airfields when you need to split your forces between CAP/CAS/SEAD/helo, and you have 10x the flight time while there is a defense that can go pure CAP.

 

 

 

If you have no idea what I'm talking about, you're too new and it would take too much effort to explain.

[Tj1376]

Any chance Blue could get KA50 since red now has a10c? I miss flying my ka50 since red players are mostly non-talkative.

 

It would also be cool if you could change sides. Some days I feel like flying a su27 and hate having to go to the 104th to fly. Why do we not just give both sides all planes since we've polluted the waters so much already? (Blue has su25t, Hip... red has a10c, Huey, etc)

 

 

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[Tj1376]

I used to lament the idea of them even adding SA-3s, because I would be more hard pressed to wipe out an entire air base with just my A-10C. Now, after having done that enough, I've learned that I much more enjoy a need for a coordinated strike package of multiple players to get a job done. The teamwork aspect of Blue Flag is really the best feature, and putting in some tougher defenses would require more of what makes this mission the best one in town.

 

 

 

Right now, there is little reason to take an SU-25T over an A-10C. But give us some longer range radar SAMs, and SU-25T will play an integral role. Not a problem for the teams because both sides get it, and it's the free module that everyone has.

 

 

 

I also think it would be a great benefit so 5 F-15s can't overfly every red airbase without any fear of effective air defense systems while vulching every lone red player taking off, when he already has the odds stacked so terribly against him.

 

 

 

Agree! Would also like to see the TOR at every airbase, not just anapa. It requires coordination to take out, which means you can't do it by yourself.... I really enjoy that aspect of the server and would like to see air defenses beefed up to help improve that coordination.

 

What would you think if "border" bases (Beslan for red, Sochi for blue, etc) had tougher AA defenses for their side, but weak defenses when taken over? So Beslan would have an sa11 or multiple TORs if it was red, but would just have sa9/13 if blue? Something that might make it more worth it for red to take Beslan back, but also to increase its difficulty for Blue to hit.

 

TJ

 

 

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[Leutnant_Artur]

Agree! Would also like to see the TOR at every airbase, not just anapa. It requires coordination to take out, which means you can't do it by yourself.... I really enjoy that aspect of the server and would like to see air defenses beefed up to help improve that coordination.

 

What would you think if "border" bases (Beslan for red, Sochi for blue, etc) had tougher AA defenses for their side, but weak defenses when taken over? So Beslan would have an sa11 or multiple TORs if it was red, but would just have sa9/13 if blue? Something that might make it more worth it for red to take Beslan back, but also to increase its difficulty for Blue to hit.

 

TJ

 

 

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Totally agree with you.

I've already told it earlier and got answer "if you want more AAA then put it by yourself by heli".

Campaigns looks the same every time and I mean the way blue side is winning it. First they attack east AF's then push west just like it would be recorded movie and you watch it for 100 time. Nothing new with tactics. I've noticed even I'm starting to remember some targets coordinates and threats position. :doh:

[lemoen]

Totally agree with you.

I've already told it earlier and got answer "if you want more AAA then put it by yourself by heli".

Campaigns looks the same every time and I mean the way blue side is winning it. First they attack east AF's then push west just like it would be recorded movie and you watch it for 100 time. Nothing new with tactics. I've noticed even I'm starting to remember some targets coordinates and threats position. :doh:

 

For sure. I play on Blue and I'm getting bored seeing the same things all the time. I think some randomization of defenses would be nice. Maybe on each mission restart, for each base, with some probability add a really nasty SAM at the base. So that when you attack it, you're not sure what exactly you're going to see there.

[CrashO]

Gadget has been frozen since last night. The app shows the current situation just fine, but gadget isn't refreshing it's info.

[Hawx004]

Any chance Blue could get KA50 since red now has a10c? I miss flying my ka50 since red players are mostly non-talkative.

 

It would also be cool if you could change sides. Some days I feel like flying a su27 and hate having to go to the 104th to fly. Why do we not just give both sides all planes since we've polluted the waters so much already? (Blue has su25t, Hip... red has a10c, Huey, etc)

 

 

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I feel you man, I dont get the reason why no Ka50 on Blue side :(

[QuiGon]

Any chance Blue could get KA50 since red now has a10c? I miss flying my ka50 since red players are mostly non-talkative.

 

It would also be cool if you could change sides. Some days I feel like flying a su27 and hate having to go to the 104th to fly. Why do we not just give both sides all planes since we've polluted the waters so much already? (Blue has su25t, Hip... red has a10c, Huey, etc)

 

 

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I'd prefer the A-10 to be removed from REDFOR instead.

[kobeshow]

I'd prefer the A-10 to be removed from REDFOR instead.

 

Why do you think the A10 was added to red in the first place ? We have had several months of gameplay where we had the most possible seperation of blue/red units and eventually people started to want more units on both sides for several reasons.

 

In general I like the fact that people still think about what can be done to change the mission, make it more interesting, more balanced or what have you, but we have to face the reality that we do not have enough airframes to make a complete east vs. west scenario.

I know it might not resemble a real conflict that could have happened some time during the cold war, but as a mission designer in DCS you just cannot provide that within the spirit of a fair multiplayer match where both sides have the same goals.

Keyword is asymetric balance here, I bet one can come up with a concept that seperates units as much as possible and still make it fun for everybody, but the current BlueFlag is not that concept. Our good friends at team BuddySpike have their hands full right now with life and stuff, things that scream "unfair!" have been reported by me for months and there are no changes in sight, so I think we should just all accept that in general, this is what we have to play with until the BuddySpike team have timeto implement thei "major changes" and "new concepts"

 

/rant :music_whistling: