badaboom Posted June 17, 2017 Posted June 17, 2017 Terrible Accident in Philippine Sea........ https://www.navytimes.com/articles/stricken-destroyer-fitzgerald-returns-home-7-sailors-still-missing "UPDATE: The destroyer Fitzgerald, mangled from a rare, harrowing collision while at sea, returned to its home port of Yokosuka, Japan, at about 6:15 p.m. local time Saturday, capping a 16-hour effort by the crew to prevent an even greater crisis. Seven sailors remain missing, and divers were standing by to assess the ship's damage and try to access the spaces that were flooded when Fitzgerald collided with a merchant ship nearly four-times its size in the middle of the night. The incident occurred in the Philippine Sea, about 50 nautical miles southwest of Yokosuka. Images show clearly the ship had taken on massive amounts of water during the ordeal. A news release from U.S. 7th Fleet confirmed that two berthing spaces, an auxiliary machine room and the ship’s radio room all flooded. “The collision effected Fitzgerald's forward starboard side above and below the water line, causing significant damage and associated flooding to two berthing spaces, a machinery space, and the radio room, which damage-control teams quickly began dewatering,” the release said. “While those efforts helped stabilize the flooding, it remains uncertain how long it will take to gain access to the spaces once the ship is pier side in Yokosuka in order to methodically continue the search for the missing.” " [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
DaveRindner Posted June 17, 2017 Posted June 17, 2017 First , hats off to crew to 'Don't give up the ship'. Second, account for every crewman. Third, someone is in big trouble. This is seamanship. Sad, unless there was an outside factor effecting GPS, inertial, and radar of both ships, this kind of thing does not happen. I am afraid that careers of CO, XO, OOD, JOOD, navigator (of the watch), and lookouts are likely finished. The merchant master, 1st officer, and navigator are likely to loose their licences and certs. Bad all around. However, and I have a bad feeling, that there may have been some tinkering with GPS by 3rd agency. Obviously I have no evidence, and GPS has backups with inertial, radar, and with clear sky , navigating by stars. Merchant was fully loaded container ship, and from photos it looks like containers block bridge's view. But modern merchants also use combined GPS, and radar. The area is a heavy merchant traffic zone.
tflash Posted June 18, 2017 Posted June 18, 2017 (edited) It is a very strange event. The merchant ship changed course before the incident with a U-turn. (Source: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-40310563 ). Edited June 18, 2017 by tflash inappropriate question [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Mr_sukebe Posted June 18, 2017 Posted June 18, 2017 Does make your wonder. Just how do you crash into a 30,000 ton cargo ship, hardly as though it was using stealth technology. 7800x3d, 5080, 64GB, PCIE5 SSD - Oculus Pro - Moza (AB9), Virpil (Alpha, CM3, CM1 and CM2), WW (TOP and CP), TM (MFDs, Pendular Rudder), Tek Creations (F18 panel), Total Controls (Apache MFD), Jetseat
Pikey Posted June 18, 2017 Posted June 18, 2017 Yeah, that 30,000 tonne ship did a quick Uturn then some shimmies and fooled the Fitzgerald with stealth tactics. This entire thing is a bit strange to say the least. Not mocking the gravity of it, but the circumstances on paper are confusing. ___________________________________________________________________________ SIMPLE SCENERY SAVING * SIMPLE GROUP SAVING * SIMPLE STATIC SAVING *
Kenan Posted June 18, 2017 Posted June 18, 2017 If I understand correctly, the larger and heavier (thus harder to turn/navigate) cargo ship had the right of passage? Someone screwed up and it is very likely the commanding officers of the U.S. warship. How do you, with all the radar and electronics, not see a big cargo ship approaching you and move out of the way? On an open sea no less. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Commanding Officer of: 2nd Company 1st financial guard battalion "Mrcine" See our squads here and our . Croatian radio chat for DCS World
Andy1966 Posted June 18, 2017 Posted June 18, 2017 (edited) the merchantman should not have been driving in circles either. if someone has intention of ramming you, not a lot you can do to avoid it, not implying that's what happened. will be interesting to see what the investigation finds. Edited June 18, 2017 by Andy1966 We are Virtual Pilots, a growing International Squad of pilots, we fly Allies in WWII and Red Force in Korea and Modern combat. We are recruiting like minded people of all Nationalities and skill levels. http://virtual-pilots.com/ [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Mr_sukebe Posted June 18, 2017 Posted June 18, 2017 (edited) If a US destroyer can't avoid a cargo ship, guess the soviets never needed their hunter killer subs. Edited June 24, 2017 by Mr_sukebe 7800x3d, 5080, 64GB, PCIE5 SSD - Oculus Pro - Moza (AB9), Virpil (Alpha, CM3, CM1 and CM2), WW (TOP and CP), TM (MFDs, Pendular Rudder), Tek Creations (F18 panel), Total Controls (Apache MFD), Jetseat
probad Posted June 18, 2017 Posted June 18, 2017 the u-turn is definitely curious, especially with such a laden vessel.
VZ_342 Posted June 18, 2017 Posted June 18, 2017 (edited) the u-turn is definitely curious, especially with such a laden vessel. Indeed. A U-turn and a beeline for the US vessel...and after traveling (how far? Looks more than just a short joy-ride), it hits and then turns around and "oops, this is where we're supposed to be going..." It will be interesting when/if more details are released. 0230 local is pretty dark... Edited June 18, 2017 by VZ_342
AG-51_Sabot Posted June 18, 2017 Posted June 18, 2017 Being here at CFAY, We are all hurting. "There is an art … to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Douglas Adams, The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy https://www.cag-51.org/contact
wilky510 Posted June 18, 2017 Posted June 18, 2017 If a US destroyer can't avoid a cargo ship, guess the soviets never needed their hunter kids let subs.What?
Kenan Posted June 18, 2017 Posted June 18, 2017 Still...unless radar operator was sleeping..u-turn or no u-turn, you should be able to avoid a vessel coming your way. The warship should certainly be more manouverable than the merchant vessel. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Commanding Officer of: 2nd Company 1st financial guard battalion "Mrcine" See our squads here and our . Croatian radio chat for DCS World
SkateZilla Posted June 19, 2017 Posted June 19, 2017 My sources said the Cargo Ship intentionally altered course and rammed the US Ship. Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs
=DECOY= Posted June 19, 2017 Posted June 19, 2017 My sources said the Cargo Ship intentionally altered course and rammed the US Ship. I heard it was on auto pilot Water cooled i9-9900K | Maximus Code XI MB | RTX3090 | 64GB | HP Reverb G2
Andy1966 Posted June 19, 2017 Posted June 19, 2017 (edited) My sources said the Cargo Ship intentionally altered course and rammed the US Ship. aye, I heard that too, but only hearsay, the more interesting question is, where was the OOD, and the X.O..?. I also heard (unconfirmed, but in media) that the C.O. was the medivac patient? Possibly thrown from bunk at 2:30 in the morning? Early morning hours are also prime time for training and drills. There had to be some kind of radio contact , or at least attempt to contact, or the Fitzgerald would have considerd the vessel hostile. EDIT... Once the vessel got within say 5000 yards. Very strange Edited June 19, 2017 by Andy1966 We are Virtual Pilots, a growing International Squad of pilots, we fly Allies in WWII and Red Force in Korea and Modern combat. We are recruiting like minded people of all Nationalities and skill levels. http://virtual-pilots.com/ [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
*Rage* Posted June 20, 2017 Posted June 20, 2017 I still dont understand how this could have happened. A merchant vessel is hardly a Moskit... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 64th "Scorpions" Aggressor Squadron Discord: 64th Aggressor Squadron TS: 195.201.110.22
RyboPops Posted June 21, 2017 Posted June 21, 2017 My sources said the Cargo Ship intentionally altered course and rammed the US Ship. I'm hearing similar rumblings on my end that seem to confirm this. Not all that far-fetched either. Pro-MILF/ISIS crew (not the MILF you're probably thinking of...), sees US vessel, decides to ram it as a TOO thinking they can get away with it because it looks like an accident.
outlawal2 Posted June 21, 2017 Posted June 21, 2017 Even if that were the case any navy destroyer that gets close enough to another ship that they CAN ram them is an epic fail.. Why the Hell did the destroyer allow them to get that close in the first place? Sounds like a massive screwup here on multiple levels.. "Pride is a poor substitute for intelligence." RAMBO
RaceFuel85 Posted June 21, 2017 Posted June 21, 2017 Even if that were the case any navy destroyer that gets close enough to another ship that they CAN ram them is an epic fail.. Why the Hell did the destroyer allow them to get that close in the first place? Sounds like a massive screwup here on multiple levels.. It is, and it's going to end a few careers. No Captain of a ship retires for the evening without leaving standing orders for the watch officer (usually a JO) to alert them should any number of events happen..(IE a surface contact within X distance or a submerged contact of ANY kind) and get them to the bridge. The same thing should have happened aboard the merchant ship. If the Fitz's captain did not leave standing orders for the watch officer..then it'll be the neck of both the captain and the watch officers in the proverbial ringer. If the captain left those standing orders and either through negligence or incompetence the watch officer failed to obey them..then their ass is done, but the Captain will still likely bear some fallout of some kind.
RaceFuel85 Posted June 21, 2017 Posted June 21, 2017 If I understand correctly, the larger and heavier (thus harder to turn/navigate) cargo ship had the right of passage? Someone screwed up and it is very likely the commanding officers of the U.S. warship. How do you, with all the radar and electronics, not see a big cargo ship approaching you and move out of the way? On an open sea no less. Much like in driving and coming up to a 4 way stop..at sea the right of way goes to the right, depending on the situation. If it's determined that it was a crossing situation, IE one ship crossing the path of another, then the Fitzgerald was at fault for the accident. If it was an overtaking situation with courses that would eventually intersect, then the cargo ship was at fault. Without exact, high detail radar tracks of what happened, we won't know for certain. Those likely won't be released until after the mutual boards of inquiry reach a ruling.
The M Posted June 21, 2017 Posted June 21, 2017 It is a verry busy part of the ocean. So there are a lot of other ships verry close to the ship. If you look at the image on the first page, you see how close they can pass each other. So you don`t have that much time before the crash
Phantom88 Posted August 17, 2017 Posted August 17, 2017 Well,No Surprise I guess???........"Commander and XO Fired" http://www.military.com/daily-news/2017/08/17/navy-fires-3-leaders-uss-fitzgerald-wake-deadly-collision.html#.WZYc7iLVH_g.twitter Patrick
wilky510 Posted August 18, 2017 Posted August 18, 2017 Well,No Surprise I guess???........"Commander and XO Fired" http://www.military.com/daily-news/2017/08/17/navy-fires-3-leaders-uss-fitzgerald-wake-deadly-collision.html#.WZYc7iLVH_g.twitter That is indeed no surprise. It was coming whether they were at fault or not. When you have that kind of job, you have to be accountable for everything on that boat. That's just a sad fact. Hopefully people realize being in these kind of positions is important and shouldn't be taken for granted..
RaceFuel85 Posted August 18, 2017 Posted August 18, 2017 Well,No Surprise I guess???........"Commander and XO Fired" http://www.military.com/daily-news/2017/08/17/navy-fires-3-leaders-uss-fitzgerald-wake-deadly-collision.html#.WZYc7iLVH_g.twitter Yep.. They're done. They'll never advance beyond this. They'll likely get a stateside "graveyard" assignment, and retire at the earliest opportunity. Frankly they're lucky they're not getting a dishonorable discharge.
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